Opened per moderator discussion.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Unless there are at least three concrete examples where the works themselves explicitly bring up the 23 enigma,
Cut. You can't pull any number from Arc Number, Ctrl-F examples, and write a thing around it pretending there's something meaningful tying them together.
Three examples explicitly referring to it:
- The Number 23
- Illuminatus! (no wick, but it's mentioned multiple times among the examples)
- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Move main page to Just for Fun, cut any unnecessary wicks.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
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I think Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3 is a better example than San Andreas, but either way, it shows that sometimes people reference the idea.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Sep 3rd 2020 at 12:35:11 PM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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Main page only has two sentences of Description. If we cut not only the wicks but also the examples, barely anything would be left.
Lumpering in; given the few actual examples that have to do with a conspiracy (3ish is enough to make a page, but not enough to make a thriving page), I say cut and fold into Numerological Motif, Arc Number, or the appropriate tropes.
Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 3rd 2020 at 12:59:14 PM
Many of the 23 conspiracy mentions here and on Wikipedia feel like Shout Outs. The ones that drive the story can be moved to Arc Number.
she/her
Yeah, this can be cut and merged into Arc Number.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Agreed, probably merging the page into Arc Number is the best option.
Very Spooky
Cut and merge with Arc Number.
back lol
It would be kind of funny if this was retroped into when signifigance is given to an overarching trait or motif that doesn't exist or is shoehorned, like when media "23's" to fill a plot hole.
Edited by gucc on Sep 3rd 2020 at 11:38:37 AM
x6 I never said cutting the examples, only the wicks.
But anyway, I guess merging with Arc Number would be fine, considering the number 23 itself isn't actually that used if we cut all misuse.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
she/her
Well, there's this TLP draft
that covers a similar idea.
Hmm, I think the difference would be that the Apophenia Plot trope refers to when nonexistent hidden meaning is attributed in-universe, but what I mentioned was when a motif was contrived as a way to progress the narrative, like if a character goes "it's been the number 23 the whole time!" Low enough numbers appear commonly enough that finding them is easy, just like how making a trope out of the number 23 could have went for any other.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
This wiki has a trope that’s “the number 23 exists”.
What’s the deal with this wiki?
Anyway, merge with Arc Number.
Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Sep 3rd 2020 at 5:51:49 AM
Notice the page was made in 2009, where standards for pagemaking were a lot laxer (you didn't need TLP back then). We actually go through a lot of these crusty old pages in TRS; it's likely no one has bothered to campaign to get them cut until the threads were made.
she/her
Yeah, there's a lot of really old pages on Tropes Needing TRS that would be bombed to hell if someone posted them on TLP today.
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Cut it.
How sweet it is
Cut it into 23 pieces.
Personally, I lean towards either "23 enigma" or "Suspicious 23".
In its current form, Twenty Three is just... the number 23 appears in works. Unlike Four Is Death, 13 Is Unlucky or LOL, 69, there's no clear indication what the number symbolizes. The description is just two sentences: "A Numerological Motif that serves as sort of the Evil Counterpart of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy's 42. To put it simply, whenever you see the number 23, it hints towards a connection to the Ancient Conspiracy." Note that the 42, mentioned in the description, is a Just for Fun page, mostly consisting of Shout Outs to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
There are some references to the fact that 23 is an Arc Number and indicates a conspiracy (the "23 enigma", as Wikipedia calls it), but the examples are all over the place.
There are only 40 wicks to this page in the entire wiki, one of which is just the Laconic of the page.
Joking references on the wiki to the above conspiracy theories (3 wicks):
23 is an Arc Number of other sort (3 wicks):
Might be conspiracy-related, but also might be shoehorned (Unclear examples, 5 wicks):
23 symbolizes misfortune of other sort, similarly to 13 (8 wicks):
Other uses of the number 23 (basically Chairs, 8 wicks):
Indices (2 wicks):
My suggestions:
Edited by Snicka on Sep 2nd 2020 at 1:24:16 PM