Do not confuse with a cleanup thread

I've always been unsure about this part of the Archer description.

Don't confuse this show with the BBC radio soap The Archers or the many other fictional characters who share Sterling's surname. It also has nothing to do with the Archer Archetype (that's about those guys with the bows and arrows).

The Archers makes sense, and maybe Archer Archetype, but the "many fictional characters" with the same name seems like junk.

Yeah, the shows that don't even have "Archer" in the name can be cut. The Archer Archetype one might be able to stay though, IDK. I can see someone trying to look up "Archer" and finding that page first.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 20th 2021 at 1:43:40 PM

Yeah, the BBC radio show and Archer Archetype are both valid, but the rest can go.

From Thumper:

And no, this game has absolutely nothing to do with the rabbit named Thumper, the bug named Thumper, the quarry machine named Thumper, the lady named Thumper, The Thumper, the racer named Thumper, or Eduardo "Thumper" Orozco, nor with the equally unrelated 2017 film called Thumper.

I think the 2017 film named Thumper is the only one that should stay, the rest are too heavy on Fan Myopia.

Seeing as how we don't yet have a page for the 2017 film, I don't think we need a note at all right now.

And even then, I've been wondering if we even need notes when the two works in question are in different mediums. The odds of someone confusing a narrative-less rhythm game with a crime thriller are pretty low.

I think the only times we need cross-medium notes are when at least one of the works are part of a multimedia franchise, like, say, Franchise.Stargate Verse and Literature.Stargate, or if the two works have more in common than just a name, like the same genre or something.

Edited by Primis on Apr 22nd 2021 at 9:03:03 AM

What about the rest of the examples?

The ones in your post? Well, yeah, those can be cut. They're nonsense.

I've cut them and cited this thread.

Odama has this:

Not to be confused with that president guy. Or that terrorist.

Edited by Shadow8411 on Apr 27th 2021 at 8:16:01 AM

Keep Obama, not sure about Osama.

Both of them are named O_ama; either both are valid or neither is, and I'm leaning toward neither.

Obama/Odama could be mixed up more easily cuz of the b/d similarity. Then again, Obama and Osama got compared a lot back in the day.

One's a video game, the other two are real people, two rather well-known people at that. No one's gonna confuse them. Cut it all.

Asking for a second opinion on this one, from Misha Collins:

Not to be confused with that other Misha who makes cringey music videos that are popular on certain meme channels.

Whack it.

Found this note on Extermination:

Definitely more reasonable than most notes that get brought up here, but considering that we don't have pages for the other works yet, do we even need this note right now?

People might still be looking for those, so keeping the note seems reasonable.

Good thing absolutely nobody considers Minecraft as being related to WarCraft or StarCraft.

I might go as far as deliberately Redlinking them, to make clear that the wiki doesn't currently have pages for the works.

Those have distinct titles, though. The above are all referred to by exactly the same word.

I adjusted the note on Extermination. Moved it to a header like the others, but kept it to the two 80s arcade games mentioned, not the comic book or the Aliens game.

Again, at this point I'm not entirely sure what we're supposed to do with the end-of-description notes. I know we're adding the banners at the top for actual confusion points, but are we still worried about jokes being at the bottom? I'd assume that since the actual notes will be at the top, the joke ones might have more leeway because they're no longer sharing the space with actual issues.

At the beginning of this thread, we all made it clear that we weren't out to cut every single joke note. But it's starting to feel like we are, indeed, cutting every single joke note, even if the actual disambigs are getting the banner treatment now.

My issue with the jokes is the same as it's always been: they're usually just lists of things, like the "Thumper" one or the "Big O" one. Like, that's not a joke. Two or more things having the same or similar names is not inherently funny, you have to do something with it.

The Screen Crunch one works because it's an actual joke, the Joey one is fine because it's a reference to a joke within the show itself, the Dexter / Dexter's Laboratory ones are funny because they link to art that expands on the joke.

Just going "Hey, don't confuse Lothar with Lothor or Luther" is pure Fan Myopia, and I don't think we need to make room for it.

Which is entirely fair. I just want to make sure we aren't throwing the baby out with the bathwater; some people seem a bit overeager to cut these notes. Not pointing fingers at anyone specifically, but just calling it as I see it.

Blatant Fan Myopia examples can go, but sometimes there's puns or more obvious jokes, and those are being cut as well.

I'm working on a TLP draft called Hu Mons, which is about Mons that look like humans. I already have a note in the vein of 'don't confuse with' about the author of Scandinavia and the World, which is identical to the trope name save for spacing and one added letter. Does Hugh Mann sound similar enough to the draft's name that the two could be confused?

I think a note would make sense there.