Trope Idea Sounding Board

Norse mythology has Sol (female) and Mani (male) riding chariots carrying the Sun and the Moon, respectively, while the wolves chase them across the sky.

If any of you wanna make it instead, go ahead.

I think I wanna make Male Female Duo first.

That feels a bit too broad. Why not Masculine Feminine Duo?

That seems even broader, talking about personality instead of bodies... but that's okay, it's still a Super-Trope to the things I was thinking.

Edited by Malady on May 10th 2021 at 9:51:36 AM

Well, it depends. Male Female Duo would cover any instance of a male/female pairing, regardless of meaning. With a Masculine Feminine Duo, their personalities and stereotypes are usually specifically linked to whatever they're meant to be symbolizing or whatever their roles are.

Duo/trio/whatever tropes already tend to attract shoehorning for random characters that aren't really set up as a duo/trio/whatever, so I shudder to think of what misuse Male Female Duo would attract.

~IúkaSylvie: "Does WomanlinessAsPathos already cover EvilIsFeminine?"

Well, Laconic.Womanliness As Pathos: "Women and feminine characters inherently cause problems, even if they don't mean to."

Hmm... I can see what you mean... I'd call it a subtrope, because Evil is Deliberate, at least usually?

"Limited Bargain Microtransaction"

Games that run on premium currency microtransactions ^note Suppose "game that runs on premium currency microtransactions" is a trope too, huh? will have a few options that are blatantly much better value than the rest, but are limited somehow so you can't just spam them. Kingdom Hearts χ had a weekly bargain that also unlocked special grinding levels, lot of mobile games have a "starter pack" you can buy just once (and sometimes comes with exclusives) and/or a "piggy bank" that fills up with normal play and can be opened at a price that's a better deal than buying directly if you do it infrequently enough.

Mobile gaming in general is a bit of a hole in our coverage, huh?

There is a TLP draft about premium currency somewhere too.

Funny you mention the "limited time currency" thing cuz South Park: Phone Destroyer just introduced a mechanic where players can earn a temporary bonus currency for, like, two weeks.

Possible new Media Adaptation Tropes tropes:

• Criminal In The Adaptation: A character who was law-abiding and honest or heroic in the source material is made into a criminal in the adaptation. Different from Adaptational Villainy as not all criminals are villainous, although they may be a Designated Villain.
• Floating Adaptation / Adaptation Rights Snafu: A work keeps having its rights being sold and a tangled mess of rights is caused. Sometimes results in characters being Exiled from Continuity.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 12th 2021 at 8:55:01 PM

Really don't see the point of Criminal In The Adaptation; we already have enough adaptation tropes, and most examples of that seem like they'd be covered by Adaptational Jerkass, Adaptational Villainy, and Adaptational Personality Change.

Second idea seems viable, though.

The first trope idea doesn't work; thank you for pointing that out.

The second idea is viable as a trope, it could include some examples from Exiled from Continuity and Screwed by the Lawyers involving rights.

It could be valid Trivia. The Disney-Sony Spider-Man debacle comes to mind.

If no one minds, here's a semi-repost of an idea I had from a few pages ago: a gaming trope named something along the lines of "Randomness Removal". All the examples I can think of off-hand fall into two categories:

1. A mechanic involving randomness being reworked in the next game to follow a set pattern. (For instance, take Olimar in Super Smash Bros.: the type of Pikmin he plucks is randomized in Brawl but was changed to a set order in the fourth game.)
2. A setting within a game that removes randomization. (Various pinball machines have a "Tournament" setting that changes random awards into static ones, for example.)

I know that soft-split tropes are generally frowned upon these days, so I wasn't sure if I should go with just one of these concepts or if encompassing both within a single trope would be alright.

Edited by BlueGuy on May 12th 2021 at 7:35:11 AM

First one is Early-Installment Weirdness Sub-Trope-ish?

Yeah, go with the second...

Since my Our Witches Are Different TLP is "Launching" soon...

Gonna focus on what I can do to beef it up even more...

Do Womanliness as Pathos and Nature Is Not Nice, encompass the idea of their negativities as "Evil" so much that Womanliness As Villainy and Nature Is Evil are too specific to trope?

Ehh...

Maybe not gonna turn my focus there after the launch...

I feel like making a bigger splash with a new type of Trope Trope.

Would the name of Imported Trope be fine for when a Adaptation or Fanwork uses the same trope as its source work?

Note to Self: Plurality Primary Position: For when there's Multiple people in one position. Like Multiple writers, directors... Kings...

Edited by Malady on May 14th 2021 at 8:38:36 AM

Can't figure out how to describe this at all, but a dialogue trope that's the thing the highlighted bits have in common:

• In Family Guy, a random Mexican migrant corrects Brian's Spanish grammar, but when asked for more relevant help, says that the only two things he knows in English are the grammar spiel he just gave and this second speech explaining that.
• .EXE ~ A Virus Containment Game contains a character whose full name is "270 degree (not 90 degree) Rotated Chester Alan Arthur, 21st President of the United States. (But you can call him Chester.) Yes, this is his full name including the parentheticals and this statement also."

Self Describing Dialogue, maybe?

Edited by jandn2014 on May 14th 2021 at 12:26:45 PM

Just as Evil Lawyer Joke is "Amoral Attorney Played for Laughs", could there be a trope of "Evil Politician Joke" for humor based around the assumption that all politicians are lying, self-serving corrupt Jerkasses?

Edited by Azorius24 on May 14th 2021 at 7:27:38 PM

Sure.

I feel like xkcd might've also made a joke of this nature before, but I can't remember. Maybe it was an Alt Text.

This other Family Guy quote also comes to mind:

The closest trope I could think of was Shaped Like Itself. Going on an index walk from there, I'm finding Circular Definition, This Trope Name References Itself, Self-Referential Humor, and Meta-Concepts.

Self-Referential Description?

I think there's a BoJack Horseman joke that fits that model too, when Diane is in Vietnam and pretends to not speak English, but accidentally says "Holy shit, a falling klieg light!" when an accident happens on a movie set:

A trope we seem to lack: Title Song. We have Title Track but that's album specific. This would be for songs whose official titles (no Refrain from Assuming) are shared with the work or episode in which they appear. Very common in musical theater, and often stands out as the song that illustrates the Central Theme or is of similar importance.

A second idea that just came to me: Executive Mascot. When a mascot character in advertising is shown to work in an executive office to make business decisions, even if they comically stand out. It's most notable when the mascot is very cartoonish, or when the campaign didn't start out in the context of the mascot being an executive. For example, this MetLife spot where Lucy Van Pelt takes over the call center.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 14th 2021 at 5:54:54 AM

Some possible new Christmas Tropes (OK, so it's too early for Christmas now, but still...):

• Christmas Criminals: More a staple of cop shows on Reality TV, but bizarre or funny crimes committed during the festive season, occasionally a Point-and-Laugh Show. Overlaps with Christmas Episode.
• Christmas Filler: Nothing to do with stocking filler presents, it's when the festive season is used as Filler itself for a series, either for a mini-Story Arc. Sometimes can result in Status Quo Is God at the end. Sub-Trope of Filler.
• Legacy Santa: Santa Claus as a Legacy Character, i.e. the name's a title passed down for generations... it's not just one Santa Claus.
• Queer As Christmas: An LGBTQ romance set at Christmas, sometimes using Christmas as a Coming-Out Story. Occasionally Darker and Edgier than expected for this romance trope.
• Santa Origin Story: Although Santa Claus is often The Spook, attempts are made to give him an Origin Story beyond delivering the presents.
• Santa The Fence: Those Christmas presents you got were actually stolen and were sold to Santa by a moving man/mover for profit; Bad Santa, indeed.
• The Claus Family / The Christmas Family: Santa has a family, and ol'whitebeard isn't the main one getting Character Focus. An occasional focus for A Hallmark Presentation movies, although there may be a Lifetime Movie of the Week using it as a Rainbow Lens in some way. For example, movies such as Annie Claus Is Coming To Town in 2011 about Santa's daughter, released in 2011 starring Maria Thayer in a Fish out of Water situation.
• Young Santa: Attempts to develop Santa's backstory beyond him being the guy who delivers Christmas presents, not that Santa ever had much of a Back Story to begin with.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on May 15th 2021 at 11:48:50 AM

I was looking for a trope where someone plays hooky and the antics that ensue...and noticed we have Skipping School. However, the example I was thinking of does not involve school, but a different setting.

Possibly a Missing Supertrope?

Edited by Berrenta on May 15th 2021 at 5:01:03 AM

Since we have Implausible Hair Color, I wonder if Implausible Eye Color might be tropeworthy.