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Even disregarding the Middle Ground rule, "every single character" feels like a massive exaggeration. At minimum, zap the header, and going off of my limited knowledge of this show's fandom, I'm fairly confident the fanbases for Michael and Jim completely eclipse their hatebases (dunno about the rest).
Well speaking of bad pages, there's the MLP FIM Base-Breaking Character who lists every single main character, when the majority of them have more fanbases than haters. I could see us keeping Rainbow Dash over the others as she is the most consistently flawed, and thus, is prone to lots of horrible abuse art some of which is played for laughs. Half the fanbase seems to think she's worthy of a lengthy prison sentence, or draws her beating up/spanking Scootaloo and/or her parents. Or being a general Jerk Jock when she's not those, especially not now. Clearly these fans have never seem half the episodes that portray her in a positive light. Spitfire is another solid keeper as for every fan of her, there's like a shit ton of haters. So those two can stay for their hatred among fans but the others? Most of the time the haters of the other characters are bad trolls so I don't think they count.
Edited by Klavice on Jun 14th 2019 at 7:28:37 AM
Pinkie is probably a good candidate, too.
Pinkie for sure, yes.
Fluttershy could also be a keeper due to her fans being EXTREMELY protective over her, and wishing death on anyone who harms her (hence why Angel Bunny was The Scrappy for a while), while her haters wish her dead among other things.
Another possible keeper is Starlight Glimmer because there's plenty of people who think she got off way too easy for essentially trying to end Equestria, and having a rather pitiful Freudian Excuse.
Here's the examples, one by one.
This can probably stay but I'll tweak it to show that Dash has equal amounts of haters and lovers. And do a little tidying up.
Since we agree Pinkie should stay, I'm keeping this but maybe myself or someone else could rewrite it.
Fluttershy hasn't taken a level in jerkass. She's just as huggable as she's always been, just with tougher skin. It sure as hell isn't Flanderization, where she's arrogant and rude. Her speech to Rainbow, though blunt, for example was necessary.
This is a toughie, as I do see people complaining about Twilight being a Creator's Pet and being allowed to pretty much do anything without receiving much, but it's been toned down ever since she became a Headmistress of a school. She's kinda the main heroine so it's not unreasonable that she gets the most screentime during two parters. And yet I feel this has a point iun that most of the others are made useless, just so TS can win in the end.
Applejack is near universally loved whether she has a ton of spotlight or not. In fact she's the only character in the main six who I have zero hesitation to cut. Her episodes despite being seen as weak are rarely weak because of her.
Rarity is a case where out of the mane six she gets Ron the Death Eater 'd the least. I think that's in part to her genuinely selfless nature at times and is generally loved especially when compared to Dash, Pinkie, and Fluttershy. Tough call, but I think I'm gonna say cut.
Spike is probably the most popular male character. Easy cut.
No discussion of Base-Breaking Characters in Friendship is Magic would be complete without mentioning Starlight Glimmer, who has caused this reaction ever since she first appeared on the show. From Season 5 onward, Starlight became the newest major addition to the supporting cast, and would end up splitting the fanbase into vocal camps about her. Even though the vitriol against her would eventually calm down, Starlight has caused a sustained conflict among the bronies that doesn't appear to be ending any time soon.
If Glimmer does stay, she needs a huge trimming. I don't think we need to talk about literally "Every Little thing she does". She's a good candidate to stay though given her infamous relationship in being a sort of Karma Houdini in most episodes which would get most other characters punished.
Considering the Cutie Mark Crusaders (with the exception of Apple Bloom) are arguably more generally liked than their sisters (adopted or not) to the point the only one with any actual hate coming her way is Scootaloo because Scootabuse is apparently funny. There's also the fact that Scootaloo isn't an orphan at all, so no more "Scootaloo has no mom/dad jokes." I'd say maybe cut?
And that's just the tip.
Edited by Klavice on Jun 14th 2019 at 7:55:07 AM
I agree that Starlight does not need an entire folder. That is just ridiculous. You can trim that back to one paragraph like the rest, but she certainly is divisive.
Spike is a difficult one, but I think the real issue is that he tends to become the butt monkey or hold the idiot ball during his own dedicated episodes, while he is generally helpful and clever when he is not the main focus. I think any divisiveness over that is more about the way the episodes treat him.
As for those who find it odd that so many characters are base breaking, remember that this is a show that leans heavily on it's aesops and is often willing to undo some character development or give it's characters the jerkass ball in order to get the aesop they want. It also has a lot of primary characters, which tends to lead to fights over who is the best character. There is (was?) also a huge, diverse, and very opinionated fanbase who loved discussing the show online, which inevitably leads to disagreements.
I got PM'd by another troper whether Ron from Kim Possible counts as a Base-Breaking Character. I don't know, but I'd add in a "Maybe". I know some fans dislike him but he also has his fans as well.
Last year the Base-Breaking Character page for Doctor Who was cut because it was decided that the fandom was too contentious to the point where there was no agreement on any character, with every Doctor and Companion listed on the page.
Last month one troper, has restored the page and all it's examples, without going through this thread.
That honestly sounds like something you should bring up in Ask The Tropers.
Honestly, that reasoning sounds confusing. There are no base breaking characters because the fandom is TOO contentious? How does that make sense?
If every character is a base-breaking character, then listing any of them individually - or literally all of them - is just silly. That sort of thing makes more sense as an example of Unpleasable Fanbase.
But that's contradictory. It doesn't make sense to me that when a show has too many base breaking characters, then the solution is to not list any at all. What counts as too many?
That actually sounds like something to discuss in the TRS thread.
There's a couple of zero-context examples on the Shaman King YMMV page:
Does anyone here have more familiarity with the series and/or the fandom who would be able to elaborate on why these characters count as base-breaking, if they do indeed count?
Edited by unexplainedEnemy on Jun 22nd 2019 at 11:07:11 AM
I just rewrote RD's entry. How does this look?
Fixed. I took out the episodes and it's a lot less bashy. (I actually like said character so... it's unbiased.)
Fixed again. Hopefully this is good.
Edited by Klavice on Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:36:24 AM
That looks good, though it is a pretty long paragraph.
That entry seems a bit too slanted towards personally criticizing the character and reads more like a "Why this character isn't very good" entry, which Base-Breaking Character is not about. Entry is also way too long.
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Jun 23rd 2019 at 8:02:56 AM
The entry probably doesn't need to include so many specific episode titles as it bloats the entry's length.
I took out specific episode examples which trimmed quite a bit off it.
Hopefully, it's good now.
Still looks way too bloated, and seems to spend too much time talking about the negatives.
I would like to bring up a few of Family Guy's Base-Breaking Character entries that I believe should be reevaluated. Let me know if this acceptable.
The Meg entry can be saved as a historic example if people can make a strong enough case for the two sides.
OK, and what of the others? Can I proceed with removing them?
For Stewie, "fairly popular" means that he has a good amount of fans, but it doesn't automatically mean that he can't have a lot of haters too.
Also, being Rescued from the Scrappy Heap doesn't necessarily disqualify a character from Base-Breaking Character status. If a character goes from The Scrappy to Base-Breaker, or from Base-Breaker to Slightly Less Controversial Base-Breaker, that can count as being both Rescued and a Base-Breaker.
OK, but can I at least remove Brian from the Creator's Pet entry and Chris since again, being neither intensely loved or hated means the fandom doesn't care about him?
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