Is this an example?

>it is a sort of "rebirth" scene

Revival. They're thinking of Naked on Revival.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Not sure if it's that either. It doesn't sound like the character is ever unconscious or dead-ish?

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Do we have an idea of where the age cutoff for Precocious Crush would land? I found this example arguing with itself on Characters.Honor Harrington Manticore:

• Implied hat he (Steve Westman) had one for Suzanne Bannister, Trevor's elder sister and wife of Bernardus van Dort. He did not take the prolong thing well.
  • One of the main (subconscious) reasons he opposes annexation is that van Dort is its main proponent. Westman resents him just on too many levels — including both his cutthroat business tactics during his stint as RTU's chief, and blaming him for Suzanne's fate.
  • He was fourteen at the time. Hardly all that precocious.

Note that the Suzanne in question would have been early twenties at the time.

Nattery Conversational Troping mess predates a split of the overall character pages for the series, and actually dates back to 2011. Before I clean it up, is it even an example?

Trivia.Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness has a Role Reprise section for Chiwetel Ejiofor as Karl Mordo, Michael Stuhlbarg as Dr. Nicodemus West, and Rachel Mc Adams as Dr. Christine Palmer. Considering MoM is a sequel to Doctor Strange (2016), which first introduced these three characters, isn't it kind of a given that they're going to be played by the same actors? Mordo was even foreshadowed to be a main antagonist in the end of the first movie (even if that plot thread hasn't really gone anywhere), so it would have been weirder if they suddenly changed the casting. In fact, I don't think any MCU characters that makes a re-appearance in this movie would qualify, since they're all from the same continuity.

Edited by Adept on May 24th 2022 at 7:14:38 PM

Those are clearly not examples, so feel free to remove them. As the trope's description notes, "it only counts as a Role Reprise if the original actor resumes playing the character in a different adaptation or if it has been a while since they last played the character."

I suppose whoever added the example thought that they're valid examples due to the last clause, and assumed that three-six years of "absence" is long enough to qualify.

Edited by Adept on May 24th 2022 at 7:19:09 PM

Looking to vet an entry for Taking the Bullet. It's a case of following the trope in spirit, if not strictly in letter. Actual people aren't involved so I'm not sure if it applies:

• Dead by Daylight: Hex perks are Killer perks that generally have powerful effects with the trade-off that they are tied to a totem on the map. If the perk's corresponding Hex Totem gets cleasned by Survivors, the perk is lost for the rest of the match. The perk "Hex: Undying" is designed to take the bullet for other Hex perks. While Undying has its own effect of showing the auras of Survivors around unhexed Dull Totems, the perk's primary effect is that the first time a Hex Totem on the map is cleansed by Survivors, Undying will always be the one that's lost no matter which totem was actually cleansed. If Undying was not the cleansed perk, it will move to Undying's location.

Either forgot or never knew about that trope. That may well be a better fit since it's a game mechanic. Thanks.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 24th 2022 at 9:47:56 AM

- Sounds like Single-Use Shield?

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Low-Level Advantage has this, but is it actually just Level-Up Fill-Up?

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But since it is a direct sequel, that disqualifies the "long" part, as it wasn't really "long" by Hollywood standards.

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The Precocious Crush example can be removed on the basis of natter/zce, since it includes too many irrelevant points when the trope is about a relationship between an age category of separation.

Edited by crazysamaritan on May 24th 2022 at 10:40:42 AM

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Does Dancing Bear have a cleanup? The definition of that trope is a little unclear and it gets a lot of misuse.

From Kyouko's section in Characters.Sword Art Online Others:

• Never My Fault: When called out by Asuna how her last attempt to do an Arranged Marriage went, she shifts the blame to her husband for being a Horrible Judge of Character.

Is this a valid example?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

I'm pretty sure this is an example, but I'm not sure of which trope: Sapient House or Haunted House or both. The character in question has an entry for Genius Loci as well. For reference, this is Roselyn from TwoKinds

Plausible entries I'm considering, presumably for the work page (though rewordable for the character page):

• Haunted House: The Legacy Estate is haunted by a ghost necromantically bound to the house, both controlling the house and being the house.
• Sapient House: The Legacy Estate is infused with a sapient will, which has vast control over both the house and grounds, though with some limits magically imposed on it by its creator.

Reposting the first sentence in the Genius Loci entry from the character page:

• Genius Loci: The old Trace integrated her magically into his estate, something like a spider in its' web.

The rest of the example seems tangential and not relevant except as a minor elaboration on one thing the location/person can do.

The thing is Rosely later reveals she basically died to be woven into the web and become the house, which would make it haunted. But she effectively is the house, so I could see her being the sapient version. And since she's also the grounds of the estate, I could see that disqualifying Sapient House since she's more than just the house, while still allowing Haunted House. Her magical limitations (artificially imposed) also feel like they complicate things.

So, I'm less asking if this is an example, and more which trope or tropes it's an example of. And if Haunted/Sapient, whether I should rework them for the character page, or put them on the work page.

EDIT: putting both entries in, for now.

Edited by AuraGuardian on May 25th 2022 at 12:21:05 PM

Sorta like A Dungeon Is You but a house?

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I'm fairly sure there is no Dancing Bear cleanup, but if it is prone to misuse, mayhaps a wick check is in order.

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Never My Fault is more for a character who always deflects blame onto someone else. So I would say that example is, at best, incomplete.

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That's Sapient House. A sapient house is also a haunted house, but a haunted house is not necessarily a sapient house.

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- Actually, it seems it's Haunted and Sapient House overlap. Haunted is the Cause, while Sapient is the Effect, as Sapient mentions it in a way that implies they're not super-sub.

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No, a Sapient House has the sentience to haunt its inhabitants. A Haunted House could be sapient, but it could also just be four walls and a roof that contains a sentient paranormal creature that does the haunting.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

I found this example in The Simpsons S 6 E 5 Sideshow Bob Roberts and wanted to check if this is an example.

I'm not sure if this is actually an example because it is not shown that Bob as mayor would actually be postive for that many people to the point that the Simpsons wanting to avoid it would make the city worse. And especially, as written, the exmaple seems to ironically fall into the same joke argument the show itself made. That we should consider Bob as better than Quimby simply because he hasn't been successful in the horrible things he has tried.

While browsing through various pages, I've noticed various "Everyone Has Standards" entries that can be paraphrased like this:

• Everyone Has Standards: [character "abc"] is [insert description here], but even they cannot stand [character "pqr"]

It's not even something "pqr" does, it's just "they don't like "pqr" character". Are those types of examples appropriate for this trope?

If required, I'll provide examples.

Edited by magnumtropus on May 25th 2022 at 11:35:04 AM

- Yeah, exactly? It's both Sapient and Haunted. Both tropes can occur together. Did you miss where I said "not", I guess?

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They are arguing that there is a super-sub relationship, specifically addressing your "not". Contradicting their claim would entail reasonably describing a Sapient House that is not a Haunted House.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

For WebVideo.Lonelygirl 15:

• Screw Your Ultimatum!: In "My Difficult Decision", Bree says that during her meeting with Daniel the night before, Daniel told her she had to choose between their relationship or her religion. She tells us her reaction:

  Bree: There's no choice. I've been religious my whole life and I've known Daniel for two years.

It's worth noting that Daniel is not an antagonist, and the entire confrontation took place offscreen. Is it still an example?

Hey, so on Recap.Breaking Bad S 4 E 13 Face Off, someone cut an example of Reality Is Unrealistic that I thought was legitimate. Their edit reason was also kinda harsh and sarcastic, so I wanna take it here and see if people think it counts:

• Reality Is Unrealistic: Gus' death scene is often cited as one of the few moments the show enters the realm of nonrealism due to the way he casually walks away from the explosion that leaves him looking like Two-Face. Victims of explosions have been known to go into shock and show a surprising amount of calm activity before the brain catches up to the body and they expire — the body goes into shock and essentially disconnects itself from the brain, and it takes an unexpectedly long time for the brain to realize what's going on. While Gus probably wouldn't have been upright for as long as he was, walking away and straightening his tie is well within the realm of possibility. In an actual murder case where a man took an axe to his brain repeatedly, the man managed to make breakfast and die on the porch trying to get his paper, too disconnected from reality to realize his dying state.

I personally think it's valid, but am I wrong?

I think so. According to other trope entries, he's holding the Jerkass Ball at the time, so villainous enough? In structure, it certainly matches the "Sadistic Choice" option for Screw Your Ultimatum!.

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Sideshow bob: Not sure what that is, but it's not Protagonist-Centered Morality. PCM is essentially Informed Rightness, when the protagonists themselves do things that should be viewed as evil, but the narrative doesn't treat it that way.

Edited by underCoverSailsman on May 25th 2022 at 11:23:08 AM

- Artificial Intelligence-controlled Smart House is Sapient, but not Haunted House?

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The intelligence in the case of the house I'm asking about is a ghost, so an AI wouldn't be relevant. Guess I'll put both entries in, then. Since the house is intelligent, and haunting is the cause.

The work page says Dances with Wolves subverts Mighty Whitey, while the trope page says it plays it straight. Which is true? The Critical Research Failure pothole needs to go either way, since it's been turned into a disambiguation by TRS.

• Mighty Whitey: Subverted with a vengeance. Rather than being superior to the Sioux, John works for the entire span of the story to get acknowledged by them as part of the tribe, struggling with their culture and language while adapting. He never takes any special position and, in several particular instances, is given inferior role and duties due to being an outsider. By the end of the story, he needs to be saved by the rest of the tribe, in the process also endangering its existence.
• Dances with Wolves: Played completely straight and criticized for having Dunbar be the reason why the Lakota defeat the army despite the Lakota historically doing so alone.

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