Is this an example?

From the in-progress Echo Rose page I'm making:

• Brooklyn Rage: Downplayed; Echo is a boisterous New Yorker with self-defensive skills, but at the same time, she's also an empath who strives to help people, despite her rough exterior.

Does this example count?

Edit to avoid double posting:

Would this be better as Occult Detective or Paranormal Investigation?

Once Echo thinks there's a ghost trying to contact her and the Zipper Film's crew, she becomes determined to investigate what happened to this ghost, in order to help her rest in peace. She outright says that this is the sort of thing she does, being an Empath and a Psychic.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 1st 2019 at 1:54:35 PM

From Periphery Hatedom:

• Shōjo works, especially of the romance variety, tend to get looked down on by fans of Shonen or Seinen (and even Josei) for many of the same reasons "Chick Flicks" get looked down on by fans of more male-oriented films. In a Shonen work, expect a given female fan to either think she lives in a classic Shoujo romance and be subsequently shot down, or hide her like for it out of fear she may be seen as believing cheesy romance cliches. A given Shoujo series might be more forgiven if they embrace more traditionally "shonen" elements like action or downplayed romance.
• Shōnen series, on the other hand, tends to be viewed by Seinen fans as immature and a sign of a fan's inability to "grow up", especially if they're on the more Idealistic side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism. Some works written for older demographics even show characters subscribing to wildly fanatic beliefs based on what they learned from Shonen (just look at Hiro or the Jovians). It's because of this, when a shonen series is darker than expected or doesn't focus on "orthodox" settings like battle-fantasy or Kid Hero/Ordinary High-School Student adventure, or even embraces wholeheartedly things like down to earth romance, it's commonly thought to be written for a different demographic.
• The tsundere is probably the most hated of the -dere types. It became so hated in the mid-to-late 2000s when they became increasingly violent and began appearing more. Newer tsundere characters, often generally considered Shana Clones, are also hated by people who prefer 90s tsundere characters such as Asuka Langley Soryu, to the point where there's a Broken Base between "classic tsundere" and "modern tsundere" fans.
• And beyond any of these, the hate directed at superhero comics from roughly the early 1980s to the mid-2000s by artcomic fans and creators who were convinced that the comics medium would never get artistic respect until superhero comics were DESTROYED FOREVER. It got to the point that Dan Clowes' The Death Ray was given hugely positive reviews by some online critics purely because of how nastily they thought it attacked superhero comics and their fans. (When the comic was reissued a few years later, Clowes himself stated that he didn't hate superhero comics and hadn't intended it particularly aggressively.) It largely died out (apart from a few ageing die-hards) in the mid-2000s when, following the manga boom, artistic graphic novels finally started taking off in the wider bookstore market, with superhero comics still being in existence.

Do these count as general examples? I'm unsure on whether to delete them or not.

Any example speaking about a particular genre as a whole is general.

I'm noticing some in the other folders as well...

...honestly, though, that page could stand to be In-Universe Examples Only due to a lack of value otherwise.

I cleaned up a good chunk of the page.

So the Appeal to Ridicule page lists this as an example

• Arguments against raising the minimum wage are often along the lines of "You want $10 an hour? Why not make it $100 an hour?" This can be done anytime numbers are involved, and is difficult to unpack in any way other than to call it out as a failed attempt at a Reductio ad Absurdum.

I would think this is more like a Strawman Fallacy, but wanted to ask here instead of just moving it.

Brainulator9: Periphery Hatedom is fine left as Flame Bait, no need to make it IUEO.

If two characters performed a Fusion Dance while holding instruments and the instruments fused with them, would that be Magic Pants?

I would say no, since Magic Pants is pretty explicitly for clothing and only for when the transformation should destroy them which, since I'm betting this is for Steven Universe, is not the case since those fusions have always had things like clothes and possessions merge.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 2nd 2019 at 11:01:37 AM

That's what I thought, though in this case I'd like to mention the instruments in question are entirely physical.

Okay, concerning this post, here's the new example I came up with.

• "The Hand that Rocks the Mabel": Gideon is revealed to have Journal #2, and he's looking for the others

Does it look okay?

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Sep 2nd 2019 at 11:05:48 AM

That doesn't tell someone not already familiar with the work how that changes the status quo of the plot.

Plus it reads more like a Wham Shot than an episode

This definitely isn't enough context, right? (Not giving the exact page because spoilers, but it's a character page for Steven Universe):

• Kill All Humans: A side effect of her plan to kill Steven.

I'd say it's not enough because it doesn't explain HOW it's a side effect.

From Steven Universe: The Movie

• Memetic Sex God: Steg has quickly grown a reputation like that, with some even joking that "making anyone doubt their sexuality" is part of his powerset. Even Pearl had a rather orgasmic reaction to seeing him. Yes, you read that right, Pearl.

Hasn't this item been cut a while ago?

Yes.

Yes; I nuked that example as soon as I saw it.

@Whirl RX: I think that (the Yae Sakura one) can count as a variant of Viewer Species Confusion. It's probably deliberate (?), too.

I need the answer to this, though:

So say, Bob has a Split Personality called "Robert". Robert, while not evil and has similar goals/desires as Bob, is much less inhibited and more ruthless than Bob. If Bob doesn't want to do something because it'll look bad, Robert would do it, and even suggest Bob to go with it.

Would Robert be a Poisonous Friend?

From YMMV.Comix Zone:

• Americans Hate Tingle: According to one of the developers, the management Sega of Japan hated the game and said it "embodied everything that was wrong with American culture".

Does an example about the publishers count?

On Characters.Fate Grand Order Extra for Katsushika Hokusai:

• Men Can't Keep House: Both played straight and gender-inverted. Neither father or daughter is interested in cooking, cleaning, or housework in general, and ignore them completely.

Isn't this just a non-example to say two people, man and woman, can't keep house?

Can a character's name be Narm?

I suppose (for example) if the name was meant to be Awesome Mc Cool Name that fell flat.

Shipping.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic mentions Pair the Spares examples for fan pairings. But since Pair the Spares isn't a YMMV trope, does it need to happen in the actual work to count?

Speaking of MLP, it was recently (without discussion or approval) used as the page image for Pair the Spares, despite one of the pairings only being Ship Tease and the Spares having no tease, much less relation. Before taking this to Image Pickin' I want to confirm if it requires they be paired in work because the image works if not.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Sep 4th 2019 at 12:07:29 PM

Much of Spell My Name With An S was removed with this edit reason "This trope requires canon inconsistency, not fanon inconsistency." Is that true? I remember the trope being in TRS for this reason, but nothing ever came of that.