- As an added point, this isn't the first time Banner's gone "Hulkless" and he didn't seem to be as determined to get his transformation back when he lost it that time. Why is he so determined to get it back now?
- Not to mention a Bannerless Hulk has also proven to be dangerously unstable (as seen in the Onslaught story line). Why is this Bannerless Hulk so calm?
- This has been all but confirmed at the end of issue #7. The last pages of the book show Hulk admitting he still hears Banner inside his mind, and the last panel actually shows Hulk seeing Banner's reflection in a puddle instead of his own. Though the Devil Hulk has not been mentioned.
- Though banner mentions he has full memory of dying in the gamma bomb explosion early in the arch. It seems the implication is that Evil Banner really was Banner, and that in death he was absorbed back into the Hulk. I'm willing to accept the explaination offered for the change in the behavior in story by Evil Banner and Doom; this divide was clean, perfect. Before, enough of the Hulk was still inside Banner to act as a dam for his rage while depriving the hulk of his own conscience.
Doctor Strange is Hulk's substitute father figure, and has already unwisely used the Omnicidal Maniac Zom for this purpose. The Hulk's full scale of power is literally infinite, and he has almost no control of it, risking to cause multiversal-level destruction if he ever truly unleashed it against anything less than another infinite power, but he is also wasting it on focusing on the small earthly threats when the universe needs constant protection from the massive ones. Basically Strange currently has the problem of maturity, control, and experience without power to back it up; whereas Hulk is an infinite meld of mystical and nuclear power without either control or maturity, and it is taking a severe strain on his mind to virtually always hold back.
Gaea has also considered Hulk as one of her children like the Titans in the past, and could easily see him as the best alternative to replace the Demogorge as her most powerful protector, and could ask him to do so. Basically Hulk should allow Strange to use him as his new power source/"patron deity", and every time the Godzilla Threshold is reached the Power Limiter is turned off, and they tag-team to to their utmost to permanently (as in no Joker Immunity) exterminate any of them whenever they want to claim billions more innocent victims. Hulk could keep the power limiter to Thor-level whenever he is on his own for more "down to earth" circumstances, without risking to hurt any innocents, and simultaneously get release from the pressure against massive threats that really deserve the punishment, use his actual scale of power for something useful, and directed by somebody benevolent and with the wisdom and clarity to actually know what he is doing and when to use it. It makes sense as a good solution within the overall context, even if I don't think that it will happen.
- Is the cover of Incredible Hulks 630 a coincidence?
- This assumes them getting back together is the right thing. Word of God on the subject is that Bruce/Hulk's true love is Caiera.
- Betty Ross/Red She Hulk = Id
- Rick Jones/A-Bomb = Ego
- She-Hulk = Super Ego
- General Thunderbolt Ross/Red Hulk = Shadow Archetype
- Or they'll try
- So wait...we're going with clone/alternate universe equivalent/whatever over alternate character interpretation/depending on the writer/ or maybe, just maybe, years of torture and experimentation at the hands of the leader making her a tad pissed off? Granted, comics, but come on.
- More over, there's actually a fair amount of evidence in older Hulk stories to paint Betty as having some fairly bitchy character traits herself. Not full on Bitch in Sheep's Clothing, but not far off.
- And Betty was never just sweet and nice, there were several times where she was out right mean to Bruce way before becoming Red She-Hulk.
- Has Ghost Rider had any interaction with the Hulk's since World War Hulk? Granted, it's not unheard of for him to just show up when someone needs punishing(it is kind of his job) but they rarely send him after people not in his own title without some explaination. WWH being a Crisis Crossover was enough to justify his inclusion, but him just showing up to throw a penance stare on Red seems unlikely.
- ...What zombie apocalypse in the Fallout series?
- Generally, no they don't.
- Banner made it because he was a weapon's developer for the U.S. army. The problem is the sliding time scale; when he originally made it it was during the nuclear arms race of the cold war, making perfect sense. Current timeline puts him making it sometime in the late 90s/early 2000s. If one counts the sliding time scale as meaning the fantastic four encountered the Kree and Scrull empires before Banner became the Hulk, one could posit they were researching powerful weapons to fend of alien invasions. The gamma bomb is generally referenced to one of if not the strongest bomb earth has ever produced.
- Interestingly enough, Hulk has actually called Banner out on this a couple times, giving him a What the Hell, Hero? over the fact that despite his genius intellect, on the level of Reed Richards and Doctor Doom, instead of actually helping people, he made bombs for a living. I recall a couple storylines, not in main continuity, where Banner was something of an atoner, having a fair amount of guilt from having devoted his life to such destruction, though at least one had him rationalizing that he did it because he was good at it.
- Alternatively, he dates her because she's smokin' hot, and he knows it'll piss off the Hulk, who he hates.
- I think it's a Jossed.
- The real villain is Tyrannus, and I don't want Betty to be a villain.
- She and Hulk would team up when she realizes that Tyrannus is just using her all along.
- Confirmed at 629.
- So...the gamma bomb mind controlled Banner into creating...itself? What?
- The gamma bomb was created by the United States Military. Because that's kind of what the military does; research, produce, test, and eventually use weapons.
- Alternatively, Goldman has stolen the gamma bomb and intended to turn it much more deadlier as an attempt to create those zombies.
- How would one use the Gamma Bomb to create zombies?
- He would have Curien do that.
- How would one use the Gamma Bomb to create zombies?
- Maybe he would have Banner work for him before meeting with Betty.
- The split personality take over is more or less confirmed at this point, but I'd wait before labeling the morality of it as a face heel turn. A running theme of Pak's Banner is that Banner might actually be a worse person than the Hulk is. This goes all the way back to Planet Hulk, where during the issue he shows up, Banner is shown to be an utter jerkass. All of Fall of the Hulks was basically Banner showing how much of a manipulative/magnificent bastard he was, doing morally questionable things like setting his son up to fight the Juggernaut and Daken, both of whom had a good chance of killing the kid. So I'm thinking that however it goes, it's not as clear cut as face/heel.
- Perhaps what finally drove Hulk over the edge was Betty's fate. She decided to stay being Red She-Hulk and joins with Tyrannus, giving Hulk no choice but to put her down. Deprive a monster of his love interest, and well...this is what you can expect.
- Hulk couldn't bring himself to kill Hiro-Kala, the son he never knew, who was about as much of a complete monster as Hulk had ever faced. I don't think he could bring himself to kill Betty. Ever. But I've been wrong before. On the other side of things, in the Fear Itself Crisis Crossover, Hulk's doing a Brain Washed And Crazy FaceHeel Turn where he's trying to Resist the Beast (actually Hulk doing that and not Banner, for once). Since Pak's run is going to be up not long after Fear Itself ends, one doubts that they'd follow up one dip into the darkside with another so soon.
- Both Hulk and Betty are alive after Fear Itself.
- Jason Aaron's first storyline with the character, that will be spinning off directly from Fear Itself rather than Heart of the Monster, will have Hulk and Banner separated into two bodies(seems to still be Green Scar Hulk, though), with Banner going crazy and the Hulk being brought in to stop him.
- Jossed, Jason Aaron takes over the book after Pak's run ends.
- That would actually be kind of cool. From what I've seen of Heart of the Monster, Umar is the only one of the Hulk foes summoned that isn't initially hostile to the Hulk, just amused by the situation.
- Betty is permanently Red She-Hulk.
- All of Hulk's old foes Bi-Beast, Wendigo, and others are out.
- Bruce Banner is a mutant shape-shifter whose power manifested by changing him into a creature that could survive the bomb. Banner, however, believed it was the radiation that changed him, and thus kept to the two forms due to a mental block. The Banner's transition from night-triggered to emotion-triggered transformation and subsequent color and personality changes are the result of his full power slowly emerging.
- Do you mean a corp member, or a Red Lantern Battery like the Anti-Monitor to the Black Corp?
My theory is that the Worldbreaker really is a true merger of Hulk and Banner, and that the "Bruce" and "Hulk" that appear after World War Hulk are a set of new personalities, with the former created by both the real Bruce and the Hulk's fear of the power they held as the Worldbreaker, and the latter created by, ironically, the new "Bruce." This would be the first time Hulk actually could feel and understand fear, so combined with the trauma of the event it was more than enough for a separate personality to emerge. While Hulk was in stasis after WWH, this fear fed on the memories and personality of Bruce, as Bruce's life prior to Planet Hulk was ruled by fear. This personality needed a "Hulk" though, so he made one, which explained why "Bruce" had such control over the transformation immediately following, and why "Hulk" was comparatively calm when put next to his previous Savage self. It was a bit of a merger of Savage and Grey, as not even "Bruce" could keep track of all of the Hulk's many personalities.
Thus, Worldbreaker stepped aside and let "Bruce" and "the Hulk" deal with the world they nearly destroyed, as they were both too afraid of what they could do. It would be only when they felt strong and confident enough to handle a situation that they would themselves emerge. Or when they both agreed that they were necessary, as the case with Skaar and the Red Hulk showed. Unfortunately, "Bruce" has grown strong enough due to their inaction and doubt to be able to repress them successfully.
This also explains that when "Bruce" was separated from the Hulk by Dr. Doom, he was so desperate to become the Hulk again, and why "the Hulk" kept getting weaker the longer he was separated. They couldn't exist as solo entities as neither of them was a full entity to begin with.