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Your Genre Savvy example is still not Genre Savvy.

Very well.

Most of those examples are very light on context. Give specific details of incidents that demonstrate the tropes, don't just tell us they happen.

Very well:

For Fletcher:

• Anti-Hero: Fletcher mostly means well, and isn’t truly a bad man at heart. However he is an shameless thief and habitual criminal.
• Genre Savvy: Having been in prison for much of his life, Fletcher understands how things work. For instance he rightly predicts the side effects of Grouty's plans to break an inmate out of Slade Prison will push the guards just a little bit too far, and cause everyone problems. And tries to get himself out of the situation before both the repercussions hit and Grouty pressgangs him into joining in.
• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Fletcher may be blunt, a criminal and a cheat. However at heart he truly isn’t that bad a guy. He cares for his friends, despises genuinely unpleasant or dangerous people like Ives or Harry Grout, and will come through when the situation demands it.
• Lovable Rogue: Fletcher has been in prison for much of his life, and is described as a habitual criminal and immoral. However the series gives enough focus into his more redeeming traits that he is easily likable. Likewise his quick wit provides a lot of the shows humour.
• Manipulative Bastard: Fletcher is something of a master at this, and often fools the more naïve members of the cast, from other inmates to Mr Barrowclough and Governor. Adapting his tactics depending on his target, with Mr Barrowclough he normally plays on his sympathy towards the inmates and otherwise gentle nature to get him to agree to things he shouldn't. With the Governor he turns to charm and carefully paying attention to every piece of information he finds out about, such as upon finding about his wobbly cabinet he gets him the perfect sized book to fix the problem. With the other inmates he normally just outright lies convincingly, knowing their to stupid to realise till its to late, such as tricking Ives into believing that "Little Women" was about a tribe of sex starved female Pygmy's in South America.
• Schemer: Fletcher is virtually always scheming to improve his situation in the prison. His plans range from getting a cushy job upon admission to the prison by endearing himself with governor and getting invested in his interest in animals which backfires as the Governor decides anyone who likes animals that much would be happier working on the prison farm. To getting out of having to paint the library, or trying to get himself a holiday in the prison medical ward through pretending to have cartilage problems in his leg for years by this point, which is foiled when the doctor decides he needs to get an actual X-ray to take a look at this clearly long standing problem, proving he had been faking. When faced with a situation he'll come up with a plan. It might not work, but he’ll think of it.

For Ives:

• Butt-Monkey: Ives often suffers, such as getting badly stung by a rare insect while out on a working party, and he almost always brings it on himself.
• Dirty Coward: The first sign things are getting serious, you can always count on Ives to get out of the way.
• The Friend Nobody Likes: Justified, as the inmates are locked up together. When they get a chance to avoid him, nearly everyone prefers to stay clear of Ives.
• Jerkass: Ives is a lazy, cowardly, snivelling cheat and snitch; and as such is despised by most of the prison. Even Mackay calls him "horrible Ives."

For McLaren:

• Hair-Trigger Temper: McLaren will get aggressive at the slightest provocation. It’s especially bad in his first appearance where he even grabs Fletcher for knocking into him. Deconstructed, as this has mostly ruined his life, and is the reason he’s in prison in the first place. Fletcher outright spells out to him how if he turned the other cheek a few more times he wouldn’t be in his present situation, and it isn’t worth sacrificing so much just for his pride. As such he mellows out in later appearances, but it never completely goes away.
• The Big Guy: In the event the group need anything physical done such as escorting Harris to a mock trial or starting a riot, it always falls to McLaren to do it. Not that he complains.
• Freudian Excuse: It’s acknowledged McLaren’s life hasn’t been a happy one, growing up in Scotland as a half-black illegitimate orphan. Fletcher even acknowledges he’s had it “harder than most”.
• Scary Black Man: McLaren really can be intimidating when he’s angry. Most of the weaker inmates are afraid of him.
• Violent Glaswegian: A Scotsman by birth, McLaran is a physical angry young man, who jumps to violence far too quickly.

For Harry Grout:

• The Dreaded: Grouty is feared throughout the prison, simply because everyone knows displeasing him will end in him sending in one of his many heavies after you, or worse. Even Fletcher is terrified of him.
• Evil Is Bigger: Harry Grout is six foot. While not overly large he still towers over the shorter Fletcher and most of the cast.
• Faux Affably Evil: Grouty is charming, polite, and never even raises his voice. If he’s in a good mood he might even be willing to bribe you. However fail him, anger him or even annoy him, and he’ll happily send his goons in to beat you senseless.
• Knight of Cerebus: Whenever Harry Grout makes an appearance the stakes get a lot higher, and the show dips into a lot more Black Comedy.
• London Gangster: Harry Grout is a high up east London mob boss, and is a very powerful man buried deep in organised crime.
• Pragmatic Villainy: Do a job for him well enough, and Grouty might even give you a little reward. After all he didn’t rise so high in organised crime without understanding the importance of business relationships.

For Blanco:

• Beware of the Nice Ones: One of the most gentle inmates in the entire prison, however it’s revealed in his final appearance he killed the man who murdered his wife and framed him for the crime years earlier.
• Cool Old Guy: Blanco is a friendly, cheerful and in many ways still cunning man. He is quite well liked by most of the inmates.
• Nice Guy: Blanco is among the friendliest and most likable inmates in Slade prison.
• The Old Convict: Blanco has been in Slade prison for over twenty years, partially due to him rejecting parole on the grounds of him protesting his innocence in killing his wife.

For Warren:

• The Ditz: Warren isn’t really that bright, he often takes a while to catch up on the fact he’s been insulted.

For Lukewarm:

• Affectionate Pickpocket: As one episode shows, Lukewarm is a master of this, managing to pinch Mackay’s watch and wallet with nothing more than a friendly handshake.
• Big Fun: Certainly on the hefty side, however he is a likable fellow whom the other inmates get along well with.
• Team Mom: Lukewarm is pretty kind and nurturing towards the other inmates, Fletcher even admits if he had had a mother like Lukewarm he would probably have gone straight.

For Cyril:

• Cloud Cuckoolander: Upon hearing his birthday was April 1st (April Fools’ Day) Fletcher found it very appropriate considering his personality.
• The Ditz: Cyril is really quite slow, it often takes him to the end of a conversation to properly process the first thing that was said.

For Harris:

• Asshole Victim: While he doesn’t die, it’s only the fact that he’s so repulsive that keeps Grouty having his thugs torture him in the sphere of Black Comedy.
• Butt-Monkey: Generally his unpleasant deeds come back to bite him. He was even arrested when he tried to mug a little old lady, only for it to turn out she had a brick in her handbag.
• Evil Redhead: Harris is a smug, cowardly bully with red hair, who only ever picks on people he’s convinced is weaker than him.

For Mackay:

• Deadpan Snarker: For someone so straight faced, Mackay is surprisingly quick and witty.
• The Dreaded: Amongst the Prison guards, he holds this reputation, as he is easily the harshest and toughest.
• Drill Sergeant Nasty: Was an actual drill sergeant in the Argyle and Southern Highlanders before becoming a prison officer. He certainly still acts like he is barking orders at the prisoners.
• Hair-Trigger Temper: Mackay is an easy enough man to set off, especially when it involves Fletcher. Not helped by Fletcher often intentionally pushing Mackay.
• Inspector Javert: Mackay is only doing his job and is often right in his suspicions that Fletcher is up to his tricks. If he wasn’t so harsh it would be hard to disagree with him.
• Large Ham: Shouts quite a few of his lines.
• The Napoleon: Like Fletcher, Mackay is a bit short, especially compared to the much taller Mr. Barrowclough.
• Pet the Dog:
  • Despite claiming to hate all inmates, Mackay is shown to be softer on more well behaved inmates. He for instance was encouraging toward Kegan even making him a trusty and giving him the job of serving the Governors coffee, despite him murdering his wife.
  • Following him revealing the existence of the escape tunnel to him and defusing a very tense situation between the inmates and the guards, Mackay gave Fletcher a bottle of Scottish Whiskey as a Christmas present.
• Properly Paranoid: His suspicions about the inmates are so extreme he can’t watch a man tie his shoes without suspecting he’s hiding something in his sock. However when it comes to Fletcher he’s nearly always right.
• Violent Glaswegian: Downplayed, Mackay is never violent with the inmates, but he still has the personality.

For Barrowclough:

• The Big Guy: At 6ft 3, Barrowclough is the tallest prison officer, and towers over most of the cast.
• Gentle Giant: While the tallest of the cast; Barrowclough is an all-around gentle and friendly man.
• Lovable Coward: Mr. Barrowclough is much more timid than Mr. Mackay, and shows his fear in dangerous situations, he is for instance clearly trembling during his entire encounter with the unstable Reg Erwin. However he is such a nice and friendly guy it’s hard to dislike him.
• Nice Guy: Mr. Barrowclough is by any standard a cheerful, friendly and kind hearted man. He even sees prison as more for rehabilitation over punishment.
• Reasonable Authority Figure: Barrowclough is a fair and reasonable man, he even tells a new Prison guard not to ask what a new inmate is in for, as that allows you to judge him as a person over what he has done.

For Geoffrey:

• Lovable Coward: Really the Governor has no stomach for more dangerous things, but he’s still a fair and reasonable person.
• Nice Guy: A cheerful and friendly man, he and Fletcher even strike something of a friendship.
• Pointy-Haired Boss: He means well, and tries his best, but really he’s too gentle to be an effective governor.
• Reasonable Authority Figure: Governor Venables is always willing to give the inmates the benefit of the doubt, is a firm believer in rehabilitation and hearing both sides of the story.
• The Teetotaler: Refuses alcohol for moral reasons, as such it distresses him when the inmates manufacture illegal booze around Christmas time.

For Wainwright:

• Drill Sergeant Nasty: Even worse than Mackay, Wainwright can’t even talk to the inmates without either insulting them or barking an order.
• The Dreaded: Quickly gains this reputation wherever, because of how harsh and strict he is.
• Politically Incorrect Villain: Admits to outright hating the inmates, and considers them scum that he would keep locked up away from society forever, if he had the power to.
• Sadist: He really takes too much pleasure out of bullying and mistreating the inmates. For instance his look of satisfaction when intentionally standing on Fletcher's fingers.
• Tyrant Takes the Helm: Upon arriving he makes everyone’s life quite a bit harder, even relegating Mr. Barrowclough to a miserable job on the farms believing he’s too soft. Unlike Mackay who understands the importance of never pushing the inmates too far (and vice versa) Wainwright has no limitations.

Okay I imagine this update could do with checking as well.

edited 26th Jan '16 12:32:03 PM by MGD107

Okay, now I remember why I am allergic to this thread. The chunks are too large. Please don't do mega-posts; people work best with at most one character worth of examples at a time.

Taking Fletcher first...

• Anti-Hero: It should read "a shameless thief". "a/an" must agree with the word that follows it.
• Genre Savvy: We already said this is not a valid use of the trope. Genre Savvy requires knowledge of genre conventions, not merely being smart.
• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Cite a specific time in the work when this is shown.
• Lovable Rogue: Too meta. Again, give a specific example of something he does that demonstrates "lovable". The example is too focused on the audience's reaction and not on the In-Universe trope. Grammatically, you need a comma after "However" and "Likewise", and "show's" is a possessive noun and requires an apostrophe.
• Manipulative Bastard: What I see here is that he's good at finding out what people want, Chain of Deals style, but where's the "Bastard" part of the trope? Do his manipulations leave his targets worse off or serve an end that benefits himself at other people's expense? Grammatically, you have at least one "their/they're" mixup and still need to work on commas to separate clauses.
• Schemer: The example is okay, but you've got a lot of run-on sentences. You left out an article: "with the governor".

When looking at these examples, Lovable Rogue is missing evidence of the "lovable" part and Manipulative Bastard is missing evidence of the "bastard" part. Looks like Schemer may be the more appropriate trope for the latter.

edited 26th Jan '16 12:47:52 PM by Fighteer

I understand, sorry I just like getting work done in bulk.

Is this better:

• Anti-Hero: Fletcher mostly means well, and isn’t truly a bad man at heart. However he is a shameless thief and habitual criminal.
• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Fletcher may be blunt, a criminal and a cheat. However at heart he truly isn’t that bad a guy. He cares for his friends, despises genuinely unpleasant or dangerous people like Ives or Harry Grout, and will come through when the situation demands it. A good example of his kinder side was when he kept quiet about the fact he was responsible for forcing the troubled Reg Erwin to give up his gun, despite the fact such an act could grant him an early pardon, so that Reg could finally get some much needed psychiatric help.
• Lovable Rogue: Fletcher has been in prison for much of his life, is described as a habitual criminal and is quite immoral. However he is constantly supportive to the other newer inmates: such as helping Godber adapt to his incarceration, help McLaren realise that his temper was causing him most of his problems, and even wrote several of the other inmates letters to there lovers (including Lukewarm's boyfriend) when they were worried that there imprisonment might wreck their relationships. Likewise, his quick wit provides a lot of the show's humour.
• Manipulative Bastard: Fletcher is something of a master at this, and often fools the more naïve members of the cast, from other inmates to Mr Barrowclough and Governor. Adapting his tactics depending on his target, with Mr Barrowclough he normally plays on his sympathy towards the inmates and otherwise gentle nature to get him to agree to things he shouldn't such as letting him run off to town on a supposed mercy mission (while out on a workday) which Fletcher exploits to visit the pub paying with the money Mr Barrowclough's gave him for medicine (as well as tricking him into believing medicine was even needed), or getting him extra blankets for his cell. With the Governor he turns to charm and carefully paying attention to every piece of information he finds out about, such as upon finding about his wobbly cabinet he gets him the perfect sized book to fix the problem, thus distracting him long enough for Fletcher to steal multiple items off his desk. With the other inmates he normally just outright lies convincingly, knowing their to stupid to realise till its to late, for example him tricking Ives into believing that "Little Women" was about a tribe of sex starved female Pygmy's in South America, so he would pay Fletcher to reserve the book for him.
• Schemer: Fletcher is virtually always scheming to improve his situation in the prison. His plans range quite a bit from him attempting to get a cushy job upon admission to the prison by endearing himself with the Governor and getting invested in his interest in animals which backfires as the Governor decides anyone who likes animals that much would be happiest working on the prison farm. To trying to get out of having to paint the library by arranging the paint to be stolen. Or him attempting to get himself a holiday in the prison medical ward through pretending to have cartilage problems in his leg, a scam he has pulled off for years by this point. It is foiled when the doctor decides he needs to get an actual X-ray to take a look at such long standing problem proving he had been faking. When faced with a situation he'll come up with a plan. It might not work, but he’ll think of it.

As for Manipulative Bastard vs Schemer, really it depends on whether its a good day or a bad one. Fletcher certainly knows how to play multiple people (even Mackay occasionally falls for his cons) and has plenty of victories (including successfully getting away with accidentally escaping the prison) at the same time he has his share of failures, and he will often fall victim to his plans having unforeseen consequences.

Okay is this better?

edited 26th Jan '16 1:57:08 PM by MGD107

I have a few tropes for the Characters.Sentinels Of The Multiverse page

OblivAeon

• Glowing Eyes: His eyes glow purple.
• Tron Lines: Yellow energy lines run across his gauntlets, and purple lines run over his chest plate.

edited 3rd Feb '16 1:31:29 PM by Kingofsouls

I have no concerns about grammar, there, but the Glowing Eyes of Doom example is a ZCE. To qualify, the eyes must signify that the character is entering a Super Mode or unleashing their true power or going berserk or something. It is not for generic glowing eyes.

For Tron Lines, are they technology-based? That is a criterion for the trope, and the example doesn't say.

edited 3rd Feb '16 1:22:49 PM by Fighteer

SO it's just Glowing Eyes then. Got it.

As for Tron Lines...at this point we don't know for sure, but I think it's because of his tech. He was revealed just a few days ago, so information about him personally is pretty scarce. I want to say yes, though for the sake of fairness, I just do not know for sure.

~MGD107: Sorry for the late reply on this.

• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: You suddenly switched to past tense when making your citation. We use the 'historical present tense' when writing examples. You could leave off everything up to "A good example of his kinder side" and have a much better example.
• Lovable Rogue: The example is better, but now you've got scads of grammatical problems, such as mixing past and present tense and "their/there/they're" confusion.

There's a ton of redundancy between Manipulative Bastard and Schemer, and in looking at the tropes it's hard to see which one fits better. The former is about someone who dispassionately manipulates others to get what he wants; the latter is about someone who's always coming up with Zany Schemes that backfire spectacularly.

I would go ahead and dump Schemer and go with Manipulative Bastard, then break out the list of specific examples of this into a sublist. And again, fix the use of tense.

edited 3rd Feb '16 1:33:37 PM by Fighteer

~Kingofsouls: Glowing Eyes, absent any reason or significance, is Not A Trope. If his eyes just glow without any explanation, there's no better subtrope to fit the example in, and it's not unusual or remarkable within the story, then leave it off.

edited 3rd Feb '16 1:36:02 PM by Fighteer

Okay, got it.

Don't worry about it, your the one whose doing me a favour after all.

• Anti-Hero: Fletcher mostly means well, and isn’t truly a bad man at heart. However he is a shameless thief and habitual criminal.
• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: A good example of his kinder side is him keeping quiet about the fact he was responsible for forcing the troubled Reg Erwin to give up his gun, despite the fact such an act could gain him an early pardon, specifically so that Reg would finally get some much needed psychiatric help.
• Lovable Rogue: Fletcher has been in prison for much of his life, is described as a habitual criminal and is quite immoral. However he is constantly supportive to the other newer inmates: he helps Godber adapt to his incarceration, made McLaren realise that his temper was causing him most of his problems, and wrote several of their letters to their lovers (including Lukewarm's boyfriend) due to the others were worrying that there imprisonment would wreck their relationships. Likewise, his quick wit provides a lot of the show's humour.
• Manipulative Bastard: Fletcher is something of a master at this, he works by adapting his tactics depending on his target:
  • With Mr Barrowclough, Fletcher plays on his gentle nature and sympathy towards the inmates to get him to agree to things he shouldn't: such as letting him run off to town while out on a workday on a supposed mercy mission. Fletcher instead uses this opportunity to visit the pub paying with the money Mr Barrowclough's gave him for medicine (after tricking him into believing medicine was even needed); or getting him extra blankets for his cell.
  • With the Governor, he uses charm and by carefully paying attention to every piece of information he finds out about him. Such as finding him the perfect sized book to fix his wobbly cabinet distracting him long enough for Fletcher to steal several items off his desk.
  • With the other inmates, Fletcher just convincingly lies knowing most of them are too stupid to realize till it’s too late. He gets Ives to believe that "Little Women" was about a tribe of sex starved female Pygmy's in South America, simply so Ive's would pay Fletcher to reserve the book for him.

Okay I think I fixed it, but there might still be some problems with Past and Present tense.

edited 5th Feb '16 8:31:29 AM by MGD107

I have another trope for Characters.Sentinels Of The Multiverse

OblivAeon

• Meaningful Name: OlbivAeon's goal is to cause the end of everything.

I would also like to add an entry on Central Theme, under Tabletop Games

• Sentinels of the Multiverse has a different central theme for each expansion.
  • Base Game: Super Hero team up
  • Rook City: Darker and Edgier heroes and villains with more realistic abilities.
  • Infernal Relics: Supernatual powers and beasts.
  • Shattered Timelines: Time Travel and alternate timelines.
  • Vengence: Revenge towards the heroes and villain team ups.
  • Wrath of the Cosmos: Space
  • Villains of the Multiverse: Even more revenge and villain team ups.

edited 3rd Feb '16 8:52:18 PM by Kingofsouls

I'm sorry, but your examples don't fit the Central Theme trope.

Central Theme is "What the story is about; a philosophy, a message, an idea at the heart of a story", not the type of plot elements in it.

Look at some of the examples on Central Theme and you'll see what I mean. For example, from the Tabletop Games folder:

• Continuum - If people could travel through time, what kind of civilisation would they build?
• Dark Sun - What will you do if the circumstances are bleak enough?

edited 5th Feb '16 1:31:05 AM by Arivne

Are you sure this is for the "Help with English" section?

The examples are invalid, so any help with the English errors in them is unnecessary.

Also, check out the moderator Fighteer's responses above. He regularly corrects violations of TV Tropes rules, such as examples that don't fit the trope.

Are you saying that what he's doing is wrong?

edited 5th Feb '16 1:46:29 AM by Arivne

It is true that we'd prefer the use of the "Is this an example?" thread for general example writing help. The reason why some posters have used this topic for that is because they were instructed to use it because of grammar issues. No point in wasting the opportunity.

I have something for the Sentinels of the Multiverse main page.

• Easy Amnesia: Due to Mainstay breaking a machine that was draining the Idealist's powers, the resulting backlash wiped her memories clean and reverted her mental state to that of a toddler. Although she eventually recovered from the accident, the memories of her life before hand were lost to her.
• Fighter, Mage, Thief: The Sentinels form this dynamic within their group. Mainstay is the Fighter, as he helps defend the team with his base power and Human Shield to draw damage away from any other hero to himself. The Idealist and Doctor Medico share the Mage role, with Idealist leaning towards Black Mage while Doctor Medico leans towards Combat Medic. Writhe is the Thief, as his base power lets him rig the draws of other decks and Caliginous Form as a damage reflector.
• Happily Adopted: Doctor Medico adopted the Idealist, with Mainstay her adopted uncle.
• Pint-Sized Powerhouse: Idealist was able to punch La Capitan with enough force to send her flying back through the time portal the pirate crawled out of. She was ten at the time.
• Powered by a Forsaken Child: Idealist's mother attempted to use her psychic powers to power a device to bring her father Back from the Dead, which resulted in draining her powers. Thankfully Mainstay was there to destroy the machine and save the day.
• In the Hood: The Naturalist sports a yellow-orange hood in his Hunted Naturalist promo.

edited 5th Feb '16 9:08:58 PM by Kingofsouls

This sounds odd because the phrase "the pirate" comes out of nowhere. It would read better if you moved "the pirate" before "La Capitan" and replaced "the pirate" with the pronoun "she" instead.

->Idealist was able to punch the pirate La Capitan with enough force to send her flying back through the time portal she crawled out of.

->...the memories of her past life...

And from the TV Tropes rules side, most of these examples are written in past tense which violates How to Write an Example - Write in Present Tense.

->When Mainstay breaks a machine that is draining the Idealist's powers, the resulting backlash wipes her memories clean and reverts her mental state to that of a toddler. Although she eventually recovers from the accident, the memories of her past life are lost to her.

->Doctor Medico adopts the Idealist, with Mainstay her adopted uncle.

->At the age of ten Idealist is able to punch the pirate La Capitan with enough force to send her flying back through the time portal she crawled out of.

->Idealist's mother attempts to use her psychic powers to power a device to bring her father Back from the Dead, which results in draining her powers. Thankfully Mainstay is there to destroy the machine and save the day.

edited 7th Feb '16 12:17:34 AM by Arivne

For XCOM 2/Characters

In Agents of ADVENT Folder, Chryssalid.

• Explosive Breeder: Chryssalids will not only be able to pull off their "convert a victim into a gestator for new Chryssalids" trick, they'll now be able to produce three Chryssalids per corpse. Fortunately, a gestator will only give birth once per turn, so you should destroy a gestator quickly to save your soldier's life or use it to farm Chryssalid corpses if you wish to produce some important items from them.

edited 7th Feb '16 4:16:43 AM by Aurevoir

"birth it" -> give birth (?)

"or use it to farming Chryssalid Corpse if you wish to produce some important item from them."

-> ...to farm Chryssalid corpses...produce some important items...

edited 7th Feb '16 12:25:18 AM by Arivne

Alright, I fix it.

Are there any more grammar issue here?

Adding some character profile for Megadimension Neptunia VII character page.

For Uzume:

• She's actually the former CPU of Planeptune, only her existence rejected by her own people. However, thanks to a volunteer working for Planeptune's Basilicom, her people starts to reconsider their opinion and decided to give her unrelenting support, although for a short period of time. She decided to seal herself after her delusional power seems out of control, thus her role superseded by Uranus^note another former CPU of Planeptune and the NPC appears in Re;Birth2 SISTER GENERATIONS, otherwise known as Caelus in the original mk2 and later, Neptune.

For Umio:

• His true identity is a youth volunteer for Planeptune's Basilicom dedicated to make Planeptune a better nation, even sacrificed his life to protect Uzume fom murder by a Planeptune Extremist.

edited 7th Feb '16 5:08:18 PM by Strafe2409