Characters.Big Brother 8 - Dustin Simon Erikstrup:

• Last of His Kind: First Of His Kind: Dustin is the first member of the jury.

I assume it's invalid. Single Specimen Species would count, if it were a species or race, but this is an occupation-ish.

edited 13th Jun '18 5:32:09 PM by Malady

Does the DCAU's portrayal of Superman genuinely qualify for Adaptational Wimp? Its argument is: "Only by comparison with his mainstream comic book counterpart. This version of Superman is by no means weak and at least in to top ten list of most powerful people on his show and Justice League. But while this Superman can punch Darkseid across a city through several skyscrapers, Comics!Superman can crack the moon in half and under stress, shift the earth right out of its orbit. He also hasn't had the extensive combat training of his mainstream counterpart who's been trained by many warriors like Batman, Wonder Woman, Mongul, Orion and he hasn't been in nearly as many battles or crises that his comic book version has gone through. (Though his comic book version has been around for decades so this is understandable)"

Last time I looked, Adaptational Wimp is when the character is significantly more ineffectual than in the source material or in other adaptations. It's more than just power and fighting skills, it also includes agency, intelligence and independence. It is true that Superman was a victim of The Worf Effect in the early seasons of Justice League but the writers apologized and made up for it. What so you say?

edited 13th Jun '18 8:55:39 PM by MasterHero

Are the following examples from Flash War being used correctly?:

• Audience-Alienating Premise: The Flash fanbase is known to get volatile when it comes to Barry Allen fans and Wally West fans, so marketing a story as one where the "best" Flash will be decided... yeah, people within the fanbase aren't pleased, nor are general DC fans who know of the Broken Base.
• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Seeing Barry and Wally fight over Wally attempting to save his kids despite the potential damage it would do brings about the idea that this could've been what Flashpoint should've been about, with the idea of both Flashes being in conflict because of Barry being too obsessed with saving his mother no matter the consequences with Wally trying to stop him.

Nope. Audience-Alienating Premise is when a work flops critically and financially because its premise is a tough sell to a mainstream audience. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot is "this storyline didn't get enough attention or wasn't properly explored", not "I didn't like how this plotline was handled."

Are the following examples from Dumbo (2019) being used correctly?:

• Internet Backdraft: Despite the generally positive reception of other recent Disney live-action remakes, this remake has so far received a chilly reception. Many feel that Tim Burton is simply not suited for the source-material, the whimsical nature of the animated film makes it ill-suited for live-action, the animals get less attention than the humans, and the fact that Disney is simply doing one remake too many.
• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: The film being a Human-Focused Adaptation in the vain of the 1996 remake of 101 Dalmatians leaving less focus on Dumbo and leaving Timothy Q. Mouse out of the picture.
• WTH, Casting Agency?: More like a director variant, but why on Earth would Disney hire Tim Burton to direct a remake of Dumbo!?

That last example looks like obvious complaining.

Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order

• Never Live It Down: Even if the game manages to be fantastic, it will likely be remembered for having one of the most awkward announcements in gaming history. E3 2018, the biggest gaming news event of the year, and how does EA announce this new title? By having a reporter talk with the head of Respawn in the middle of a crowd. Not onstage, not even at a booth. And what does he reveal? That Respawn is making the game, the title, and some incredibly sparse information regarding the character and setting (it's about a Jedi between episodes III and IV). That's it. No gameplay, a trailer, or even a teaser. And not a single screenshot, concept art, or even a logo reveal.

Isn't it a bit too soon to qualify as NLID?

From CowboyBebopAtHisComputer.Comic Books:

• The controversial Batgirl cover (the one where Batgirl is shown crying) raised some heated discussion, and at least one forum claimed that male superheroes were never shown weak or unable to act due to trauma. When Scarecrow's fear gas was brought up, they quickly claimed that it doesn't count because it's "not real fear, only chemicals". His fear gas creates realistic hallucinations of the victim's fears to terrify them, it doesn't just make them scared without a reason. By that logic, PTSD shouldn't exist, since any possible hallucinations are not real.

It sounds like the post was from a random person on a forum, not the media. I don't think it counts then.

Yeah, that's not even what the trope means.

The Dumbo and Star Wars examples come across as kneejerk reactions that are subject to change once the works are fully released and examined. By the way, I still heavily contest DCAU Superman being an Adaptational Wimp. The only way DCAU Superman can qualify as such is if we compare him to the Silver Age Superman, who was so OP he could move a series of planets across the galaxy.

Do hair color tropes like Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold include non human characters that have fur that color and supposedly fit the trope archetype?

From FamousLastWords.PBG Hardcore:

The Famous Last Words of those who died throughout the Hardcore series. Obvious death spoilers ahead.

Minecraft #1

• I'm behind you. Let's go for it. -Last words Jirard was heard saying before he went AFK
• I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die... Burned! -Soah burned to death
• I'M GONNA DIE! -PBG was slain by Enderman
• I'm falliiiiiing... WHAT IS GOING- -McJones fell out of the world
• He ran into me! The dragon! -Dean was slain by Enderman
• Bonus deaths
  • Bye, everybody! I don't even care... -Jon was slain by RazzBarry

DayZ

• Oh, I'm being shot at! -McJones was killed
• There's two zombies! There's two z- AHHH I FELL! -PBG was killed
• No no no no no no, don't hit me, don't hit me, don't hit me! No! No touch! I'm going down! -JonTron was killed
• Get in this building as soon as you can. Is there one in between me and you? -Dean was killed
• No. -Barry was killed
• Oh my god, I have no more... -Ross was killed
• I'm not dead... I'm gonna stand up... and I'm gonna shoot at that guy... wait, did you just throw- -Jared was killed

Terraria #1

• Oh, I'm getting, oh no, NO! -Barry
• Oh, I'm dying, hold on... NOOOO! -Paul
• OH CRAP! -Dean & McJones
• This eye is just confused about why people are- -JonTron
• Oh god I can't, I can't move! -SpaceHamster
• IT'S AN EYEBALL! IT'S AN EYEBALL! -PBG

Diablo II

• They're using my spells... -RubberRoss
• Whoooa! Oh my— -Barry
• Noooo! -Dean
• Oh geez! I CAN'T GET OUT, I CAN'T GET OUT! -PBG
• I'm still in here! -McJones

Minecraft #2

• Bad! -Dean was shot by Skeleton
• Hehehe, you can't keep me down that easily... -Kyrak was slain by PBG
• PBG, LOOK OUT! -Jared blew up
• It- it's not letting me do anything, like, I can't- Oh! That's it... -NCS blew up
• OH! OH! HELP ME! HELP ME! -PBG was slain by Zombie Pigman
• Aw, he jumped down... No he didn't! -McJones was slain by Zombie Pigman
• Whoah, whoah, whooooah! -Barry was slain by Zombie Pigman

Minecraft #3

• Hey, can you come, uh, outside with me so I have someone to watch my back for Creepers? ...oh fuck. -Dean was blown up by Creeper
• I'm gonna die! *inaudible*-JonTron was shot by Skeleton
• OHH! WHOOOAH! -Jared hit the ground too hard
• You trapped me in! I'm dead, I... I'm dead... -McJones burned to death
• Are you gonna die? I might die, I have two hearts... heart and a half... heart, ohhh, (gibberish)! -PBG burned to death

• Oh! I died. -Shane was slain by Skeleton
• How did all these Blazes happen? Dude... go away... -SmoothMcGroove was slain by Skeleton

MineZ

• I still have apples and watermelons, so we've got a decent am- Oh! PIG ZOMBIE! -Jared rocked out to some Rob Zombie.
• Yeah, that's what you told the other two! Okay... -Last words Dean was heard saying before being left behind; he was Killed Offscreen
• I hear a zombie, he's walking near- AHH! -McJones died in a fire. Just kidding, zombies ate their brains.
• He hears me, he hears me, okay, okay he hear-AUGH, I'M DEAD! -PBG hit the ground too hard
• No no no no no! No no no no... -SpaceHamster was rocked by a Giant Stomp
• Also block! -Brutalmoose was rocked by a Giant Stomp
• Not like this! Not like this! Not like this! (dissolves into crying) No! -Barry was rocked by a Giant Stomp

Terraria #2

• Oh..! -Satch didn't bounce
• I already used the potion... -Barry was destroyed by Eater of Souls
• Oh shit, oh shit! Seriously, seriously, dude, seriously... FUCK! -Dean got snapped in half by Demon Eye
• Well that's why you cut it out, Jeff! - WHAUGH DEAD! -PBG’s skull was crushed by Boulder
• Oh shit! -ProtonJon fell to their death
• What if stickykeys killed you? ...OH NO! -SpaceHamster fell to their death
• HE'S SO CLOSE! *Beat* NOOOOO! -McJones’s flailing about was finally stopped by Eye Laser (Wall of Flesh)

Minecraft #4

• Okay, I think one of you guys should take- -Barry was slain by Zombie Pigman
• Oh my god! Oh, I'm so sorry, I panicked, I panicked! -Caddicarus was slain by Zombie Pigman
• Bonus deaths
  • WOOOOOO! Ow... -Jeff was slain by McJones using Barry
  • Oh wow, that did a LOT of damage... NOOOO! -McJones was shot by Dean using Killua
  • NOOOOO! -PBG was shot by Dean using Killua

Minecraft #5

• I got the spawner, but there's a spider in here! Help me out! I can't get out! I can't get out! -Barry was slain by Cave Spider
• Take the sword! -Jared tried to swim in lava to escape Spider
• Oh god, RIP. -Dean tried to swim in lava
• Oh my gosh, I might die. I'm dead! -McJones was burnt to a crisp whilst fighting Blaze
• NUH! I'm fine... NUH! -Ray withered away
• I'm telling you, these- these fake pigs are bad omens! Let's get outta here...AAAAAAH!! -PBG was blown up by Creeper
• Oh crap. Oh crap! OH CRAP! OH NO! NOOOOOOO!!! -Jeff was killed by Ender Dragon using magic

Terraria #3

• OH NO! -ProtonJon's skull was crushed by Boulder.
• Weeeeeeeeeee! <Airplane noise> Aw, I- -Jeff fell to their death.
• Guys, we've got to share the money. Forgot to mention that. Ac-actually I- WHAT?! -PBG's flailing about was finally stopped. (Burning debuff)
• We're not gonna... OH, WHAT?! -Dean watched their innards become outtards. (Spike damage)
• Bonus deaths
  • I can't heal anymore either. I can't, there's a load of shit in the way. UNG! -Lucahjin was removed from Terraria #3 by Shadowflame Apparation.
  • Not like this! Not like this! Not like this! I can't heal anymore, I can't heal! I'm goin, I'm goin. I'm goin'! NOO! -Yungtown's plead for death was answered by Shadowflame Apparation.
  • Well, that's a sucky way to end. -McJones was impaled by Shadowflame Apparation.

MineZ #2

• GOD No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no! -Dean was taken to lunch by a zombie. The zombie didn't call for a second date.
• Oh, I'm almost dead. I'm gonna die! -ACrispyWaluigi MURDERED McJones with an iron sword!
• We're gonna do it... Nooooo! -Barry died
• I made it. I made it across, guys! It--it can be done... WAAUUGHH! WAAUUGHH! -PBG fell out of the world
• There are so many! ... Little piggies! AAAWWH! -Jeff tried petting a zombie.
• It's gonna—It's gonna get me! It's gonna get me! -Ian crashed the zombie train.
• NOOO! SO CLOSE! AAAAAAAGGHHH... -Jared fell out of the world

Minecraft #6

• "We, uh, need four more beds..." -McJones tried to swim in lava
• "Come on, Jared! Jared, come on!" -Dodger was blown up by a Creeper (#1)
• "Wait!? What happened!? WAIT! I- I- I- I went through the portal and I landed in lava!" - Dodger tried to swim in lava (#2)
• "Get in the portal! I GOT KNOCKED OFF! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" - PBG tried to swim in lava
• "More damage! One heart! NOOOOOOOOOOO! Do it, my friends! I believe in you!" -Jared was slain by Zombie

Starbound

• "NO! UUAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!" -Jeff
• "WOOOAAAHH! Ooooh!" -Barry

@Macron: I'd say they qualify (so long as the cahracter in question does exhibit the "heart of gold" part.)

I didn't get an answer in Ho Yay Cleanup.

Should Togo/Yuna be under HoYay.Yuki Yuna Is A Hero considering that Togo canonically likes Yuna? What about HoYay.Sound Euphonium? The series seems to lay on the "Romantic" Two-Girl Friendship too thick to be unintentional Les Yay. It seems more like Homoerotic Subtext.

From Fanfic.Friendship Is Failure:

• I Want My Beloved to Be Happy: Subverted by Strings and Helper Soul who only care about the fact that Cadance and Twilight Velet respectively didn't marry them.
• Reality Ensues: Like with Starfleet magic this is Mykan's goal with this series. But as pointed out, it's less about "Reality Ensuing" and more about him getting petty revenge on the characters.

Is the former a subversion since it makes no reference to setting up the trope in the first place? And if they failed it successfully invoke Reality Ensues, Is it an example as this trope is about it unfolding in-universe? (It also lacks any specific examples and seems to exist only for writer bashing.)

Cut for the Reality Ensues example.

And the former doesn't say why it's a subversion.

Does Archnemesis Dad have to be the dad of the protagonist, or does it count if they're the dad of someone close to the protagonist, like the love interest?

Can Foreshadowing be accidental?

An Archnemesis Dad has to be a father-figure to the person they are nemesis to. Actual biological relationship is not needed, but the relationship MUST be to the person.

I suppose it could technically be possible, but baring Word of God on the subject it would be hard to find any accidental Foreshadowing.

Are the following examples from Unfriended: Dark Web being used correctly?:

• Memetic Mutation:
  • Someone saying that the laptop in the movie was originally owned by Nevil from iCarly.
  • Matias resembling Zack Braff.
• Narm:
  • KELLAIE!!!
    • The face that Matias makes here is just as hammy.
  • While it can be seen as a Tearjerker scene, the face that one of the main characters makes when they see their mother in the hospital, showing off their lower row of teeth and slightly shaking with her eyes half-closed, can be seen as this.
  • The description of the movie, describing Matias as a "20-something" might ruin the mood, or lack thereof.
  • The trailer's constant use of jumpscare noises.

Would either or both of these count as valid examples of Word of Gay?

• Sleepless Domain
  • The reveal that Zoe is transgender occurs as a mix of in and out of comic information. In-Comic, a little girl named Claire describes how a cousin of hers recently becoming a Magical Girl was a surprise "'cause we still thought she was a boy." Along with this comic were posted author notes confirming that transgender Magical Girls are indeed something that can happen within the setting. A comic not long after confirms that Claire's cousin is Zoe.
  • For Pride Month, 2018, author Mary Cagle tweeted artwork of her LGBTQ characters with their relevant Pride flags. Transgender for Zoe, Gay Pride for Team Melty, and Pansexual for Outrageous Lime. Zoe has already been confirmed while Melty Flame and Melty Frost were Sickeningly Sweethearts from moment one. Outrageous Lime, however, has only been seen or mentioned a few times, with only two related to her sexuality. The first was surprise that she had a boyfriend ("As in a boy boy?") and, on first seeing Heartful Punch and Undine together, remarking "So that's your type", prompting HP to hastily try and change the subject while Lime brushes it off because "she has a guy now".

edited 17th Jun '18 9:27:45 PM by sgamer82

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S8 E9 "Non-Compete Clause":

• One-Scene Wonder: Applejack and Rainbow Dash's rescue. Gallus' deadpan response to whether or not to save their teachers which was to leave them hanging until they get eaten, and Ocellus' giant Bita-cuda form are generally considered to be the only saving graces of the episode, preventing it from being considered Fanon Discontinuity all together.

I'm cutting since they're major characters this episode, not one-scene, and it just a vessel to sneak in complaining. Any objections?

The character is the dad of and antagonist to the protagonist's love interest. Does that count, or does the relationship have to be with the protagonist?

Is there a reason why the character can't just be listed as Archnemesis Dad to the love interest character? The page doesn't actually say anything about protagonists.