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openWhat happened to Rance?
I mean, it has the most detailed character tropes in any web I tried to revisit it, now it's gone ? what happen?
openIs there a thread for adding/removing things from YMMV?
No-Damage Run has the YMMV banner (possibly because it's a subtrope of Self-Imposed Challenge), but all of the on-page examples are objective rewards that games have for completing some part of them without getting hit, and only 71 of its 594 wicks (~12%) are on YMMV pages. Is there a long-term projects thread I can take it to (like with Trivia pages), or does it need to go on Tropes Needing TRS?
openAdditions to a Music Trope Category - Heavy Mithril & Filk Music
Hello! I'm wondering what the rules are about adding examples to a trope? I know of a few bands/recordings that might be suited to be added to the Heavy Mithril category (ie. Heather Alexander's folk rock band Phoenyx,) and a few that are suited to the Filk category, which are not listed; and I also can add some information to some of the existing listings (ie. the song Julia Ecklar is best known for.) What are the criteria to determine if something is worthy of adding?
Also, I dabble in both genres myself; would it be rude to add my own stuff if I'm realistic about it? It's not very well known, but it does exist.
Thanks in advance!
openIndex for celebrities who have starred on The Simpsons Western Animation
Since a proper subpage for all of the Celebrity Voice Actor roles on The Simpsons would be very, very long, would it be possible to make that an index?
openImage not showing properly?
On Star Conflict, the image doesn't show at all after editing, but for some reason, it does when in the editor's Preview Mode.
Instead, the image's placeholder shows only https://mediaproxy.tvtropes.org/width/350/https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/star_conflict.jpg. When I copy it to the browser as it is, the URL gets redirected to a bad gateway error.
But if it's just https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/star_conflict.jpg, the image loads just fine.
Sorry if it's a very odd question to ask, but it's my first time encountering this. Plus the page's source code and edit mode doesn't have the "mediaproxy" link in it at all. What's causing this problem and how to fix it?
Edited by DanteVinopenFanfic.TheMisfits... What to rename when Disambig-d?
Fanfic.The Misfits... What to rename when Disambig-d?
It's a Mega Crossover, so there's no clear source work? Call it by the author?
And move Fanfic.Warhammer 40000 The Misfits... to Fanfic.The Misfits Warhammer 40000
Because the fic's actual name always goes first, before the Disambiguation point?
...
EDIT: And Fanfic.The Misfits Warhammer 40000 was actually already a duplicate, that was cut...
No reason not to manually overwrite its history with a manual move from the current?
Edited by MaladyopenNoteworthy pages
A while back, I made the page TangledFamilyTree.Child Of The Storm, which is the very first Tangled Family Tree page dedicated to a single work in this wiki. Is this notable in any way?
EDIT:
Because the Namespace project was mentioned; the reasons for the split were:
- a LOT of examples at the time, with new entries added almost in every other chapter.
- the work has separate page for Child of the Storm and Ghosts of the Past. However, due to the nature of this trope and the examples, it is very impractical to try and split them, as the GOTP examples are a continuation of the previous ones.
- SPOILERS
openNo Title Web Original
WebVideo.Curtisthe Spaz Gamer is miscapitalised, and the page is written partially in first-person.
openEdit War
Mishmash added the following example to Legion Of Superheroes 2020:
- Continuity Snarl: This series appears to give one in the form of not having the Legion's standard preference against artificially-gained powers, hence the presence of both the aforementioned vessel of Nabu, and a Gold Lantern.
I removed it since the work is another Continuity Reboot of Legion Of Superheroes, so it's not in-contiunity with any of the previous series.
Mishmash has since then re-added the example, with only slightly different wording:
- Continuity Snarl: This series appears to give one to the Legion franchise in the form of not having the Postboot preference against artificially-gained powers, hence the presence of both the aforementioned vessel of Nabu, and a Gold Lantern.
openIs Barry Allen a Designated Hero? Print Comic
Barry Allen has earned himself quite the lengthy entry at the comic book section of Designated Hero. It reads:
"The Flash: Barry Allen, the Silver Age incarnation of the character, has largely became this upon being brought back and pushed as the main Flash.
- Upon returning, he created the Flashpoint incident while trying to undo the meddling of his arch-enemy, Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash, who had altered Barry's past to give him an angstier backstory involving his mother getting murdered. However, rather than work with other heroes who are experts on this kind of thing, like Booster Gold or even his own former protege and Superior Successor Wally West (who unlike Barry, could run through time-and-space unaided and understood their powers on a much greater level), he did this by himself, resulting in a distorted Darker and Edgier timeline. While his motivations were sympathetic, the sheer idiocy of his blunder and how easily it could have been avoided, especially as he was warned prior during the Prelude to Flashpoint about what was going to happen and did it anyway.
- When he realised what he did and undid it, the result still didn't fix his mistake, resulting in a new timeline that was still Darker and Edgier, only everyone was also Younger and Hipper on top; while Barry's life in this new timeline wasn't bad, his friends were made miserable with both marriages and people erased, including Wally West, Wally's kids, and also Jay Garrick, Jesse Chambers, and the rest of the Flash Family. Though all of this was because Executive Meddling was in play (co-publisher Dan DiDio wanted the rest of the Flash family erased due to his personal dislike of Wally West and his belief that the franchise should be simpler, as well as his preference for Darker and Edgier stories and belief that True Art Is Angsty), it essentially meant that in-universe, Barry was personally responsible for erasing his nephew and family from existence, essentially killing them, while making everyone else he knew miserable and lonely. Meanwhile, Barry in this new timeline? He was a young, happy single with a cute Adorkable girlfriend, largely beloved by his city, with nobody knowing or remembering what he did.
- The Rebirth era didn't help with this matter, even after Wally West returns. During a team-up with Batman, he discovered Wally wasn't the only forgotten speedster when he meets Jay Garrick in the Speed Force. Rather than working tirelessly to save Jay, as you would expect a hero like Barry to do, he seemingly forgets about it to instead focus on other stuff. Then, Wally has his memory of his kids restored to him, and he calls Barry out on not even informing him about other trapped speedsters; he claims he was working with Batman to investigate it off-panel, but they were clearly not sparing much time looking into this, which could have been resolved by informing Wally, who not only wasn't busy with anything thanks to having his life erased, and also understands the Speed Force to a much greater extent than Barry and would be better suited into looking into it. Then, after the two are manipulated by Hunter Zolomon, Wally has a breakdown over the memory of his kids, so Barry sends him to a mental health facility where he never visits him, trusting instead that the facility can help him. It doesn't. Meanwhile, after sending Wally away, Barry could take this as an indication he should put more focus into finding the lost speedsters, but instead, he starts a different investigation into the "Other Forces", something he could have left up to his new ally, Commander Cold while he continued searching for Jay, Jesse, and Max. While his lack of focus on this could be chalked up to not remembering the other speedsters, it still looks callous of him to know people are suffering and to do nothing, even when told these people are his family."
Okay, I gotta ask: is this valid? I know that some people still have grievances towards Barry even after the end of Comic Book/Flashpoint and I do admit that I don't have the best knowledge on Barry's history, but this entry is so long and descriptive that it comes off as opinionated writing. What do we do with this?
Edited by MasterHeroopenThis Troper
What exactly did I Love Crossovers do on Frequently Asked Questions? I saw two posts of theirs thumped and I don’t know what’s going on.
openLeftover FMV Examples Videogame
Interactive Movie used to be treated as a trope when it's actually a genre. The page is now an index, but these examples lack pages (making their inclusion on an index pointless), and some are written like trope examples (unnecessary for an index). Some of them were also canceled.
What should be done with them? AFAIK, they are still valid examples of the genre.
Edited by PrimisopenDisambig or page lock needed?
The page, Fanfic.Legacy used to refer to a Total Drama fanfic. A few years later, when someone made a page for a Frozen (2013) fanfic titled Legacy, the Total Drama fanfic was moved to a new page called Fanfic.Legacy Total Drama, and the original Fanfic.Legacy page was made a disambig. Sometime after, the disambig page was cut for alleged pointlessness, because there is a Legacy disambig page in the Main namespace.
Now, Naru Hina Fan has appropriated the Fanfic.Legacy name for a Naruto fanfic. (The new article is a stub, but one problem at a time.) This suggests that the previous Fanfic disambig was not pointless, or alternatively that the original Fanfic.Legacy page name needs to be locked. The Naruto fanfic page obviously needs to be renamed, presumably to Fanfic.Legacy Naruto, but that's just kicking the can down the road. As long as the Fanfic.Legacy name remains open and editable, it's only a matter of time before someone else erroneously puts a new fanfic page there, because "Legacy" is a StockEpisodeTitle.
Edited by GideoncrawleopenIs this "It's the Same, so It Sucks?"
So the visual novel Seduce Me has a pretty common criticism among fans and reviewers, and it's that in the first game, the different routes are basically identical between the five main romance options. Almost everything happens in the exact same way no matter which route you're on. I'm wondering if this is okay to document on the YMMV page with It's the Same, So It Sucks? Or is that trope solely for adaptations, and putting it on the page would be misuse?
Edited by iamconstantineopen Hate Sink thread being consistently misused
I know ATT doesn't usually deal with forum-related issues, but this is a recurring issue about a specific thread and it's getting kind of ridiculous.
The Hate Sink cleanup thread makes it very clear that the point of the thread is no longer curation or approval of examples. It's just an ordinary "here's a bad example, should I cut it?" type cleanup thread. But most of the people who post there don't seem to be getting the memo. People keep asking "is it okay for me to add an example" or they draft up examples and try to get approval for them, or they use effort posts when it's unnecessary- basically they seem to see it as another CM/MB thread when it's not, and that leads to the perception that they either can't add examples themselves or don't have to, because CM/MB have the drafting/approval system where specific members from those threads are responsible for having those examples added- but this thread doesn't do that, and yet people still seem to be completely ignoring the thread's purpose and rules as stated on the stickied post.
It's very frustrating to constantly have to remind people that the thread doesn't curate examples, and I'm wondering if there's anything that can be done about this issue.
openBroken Aesop examples?
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S8 E18 "Yakity-Sax"
- Broken Aesop: The episode breaks the intended Aesop of supporting your friends' hobbies no matter what by having Pinkie's playing of the yovidaphone be obnoxious and destructive, making the other Mane 6 seem reasonable in getting her to stop, only faltering because they told her she was bad rather than how it was harmful.
Even if they told her to stop because it was harmful, it would have had the same consequences of causing Pinkie to become so depressed the Mane 6 realized their error and find a way for her to do so without causing harm. This sounds more like Informed Wrongness (seem is YMMV) than breaks in the Aesops logic. Move?
- Game of Thrones: A major plot element in the series is the idea of real consequences: big dramatic gestures have thousands of impacts and implications, because people are complicated and will respond in equally dramatic ways. Joffrey's execution of Ned triggering the War of the Five Kings is probably the most notable example, and another is the Red Wedding as a result of Robb disrespecting the Frey family. Then Cersei in the sixth season blows up the Sept, killing the heads of a powerful and popular noble house and the high priests of the main state religion while already being a deeply unpopular and fairly-illegitimate ruler... and receives essentially no meaningful consequences as a result. She rules for two straight seasons after with no real problems, and when she's finally deposed, it's because of circumstances that had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Previous cleanups argued later episodes/sequels that contradict the Aesop are not this as it has to beaks it’s internal logic at the time (otherwise any work with conflicting Aesop would break it). By what if any logic are later seasons allowed to count? (Because the Aesop was delivered over multiple episodes as opposed to a standalone lesson?)
Thoughts on this possible example for My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S6 E26 "To Where and Back Again – Part 2":
- Broken Aesop: The Aesop that a good leader encourages uniqueness is undercut by the changelings transforming into colorful beautiful forms who no longer need to feed on love, meaning the traits that made the changeling species unique (Body Horror appearance, Horror Hunger) were bad things Thorax was a good leader for ridding them of.
I’ve argued against previous iterations of this as they were not violations of internal logic, but I think this isolated that. I still think this misrepresents the Aesop which in full is "let everyone be unique and listen to someone when they find a better way of doing things." The unique part was for the sake of finding better ways, so it's not a violation then if everyone adopted what turned out to be an improvement. Glurge might be there better fit as the problem is the implications not logic. Thoughts?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenSometimes I go on themed editing sprees. Does that make me an "agenda-based troper"?
I've seen that a lot of people on ATT (and sometimes the forums, but usually ATT) have a problem with "agenda-based tropers".
Now, sometimes I go on the wiki and think something like "I'm gonna edit the Harry Potter subpages" or "I'm gonna fix a bunch of ZCE's on Nightmare Fuel pages", or something like that. Is that bad?
openStandards of Copying
Just a question, but.... I wonder: what exactly are the originality standards of information found from elsewhere on Tv Tropes? I know we obviously should not copy and paste everything from some obscure blog we found.... but from what I have read, in academia, you have to replace all words that can be replaced with synonyms. Wonder what it is like here in Tv Tropes (especially since Tv Tropes does not really actually use citations except where it is important) Just asking, because I have found such incidences in past edits I made where I wrote new information. I did not directly copy from Wikipedia (in fact, for some entries, they were written long after I since last read any information on them, the Tookie Williams one mentioned below being a possible example), but it seems that certain words just stuck in me.
Example:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/JojosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser "Shout-Out: His name is a reference to Jean-Phillipe Freu, with his Stand name a reference to the French Band Rinôçérôse, a band which Jean-Phillipe Freu found."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RinB4A7A9rB4se "Rinôçérôse (stylized as rinôçérôse or «rinôçérôse») is a French band founded by Jean-Philippe Freu and Patrice Carrié that mixes rock music and electronic dance music. "
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/OnlyKnownByTheirNickname/RealLife "Stanley Williams, also known as "Tookie" Williams, cofounder of the Crips."
"Stanley Tookie[1] Williams III (December 29, 1953 – December 13, 2005) was one of the original founders and leaders of the Crips gang in Los Angeles, California."
Edited by DayBreakChannelopenWhy is it always Alice and Bob?
Is there any classic story in which the protagonists are named Alice and bob or something?
Adventure Archaeologist mentions that most such characters are actually stealing from living tribes. Is the trope flexible enough to include, say, people who trade in artifacts of existing tribes, like those who might steal the idol of an African tribe, or raid a Native American settlement to make off with their goods? It seems like the sort of things that's becoming a bit more of a trope, recognizing that much of a museum's exhibits are items that were stolen from living tribes.