During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to Oreck, Darque, Eve, Klamp and to Overhaul
Eve 2 and Klamp.
Is the flash villain James Jesse?
edited 24th Feb '18 11:39:13 AM by Silverblade2
Eve and Klamp.
Eve-2 and Klamp
Klamp sounds like a yeah, now guess who's back with more 80s edge:
What's the work?
Goku: Midnight Eye is an OVA based on the Cyberpunk manga of the same name. Concerning the titular hero and private detective, who, through an accident of fate gets an electronic eye allowing him to access any computer database in the world and a stick...thing that acts as a pretty badass weapon. The plot has Goku going on various jobs for clients and the manga's starting one/subject of the first OVA brings an impressively nasty baddie.
Who is Hakuryu? What has he done?
Allegedly a legit and wealthy businessman, Genji Hakuryu uses his wealth and good image as a cover for his real way to make money, selling weapons to war criminals all over the world. The police try to gain evidence on him but everytime they send a detective to trail him, their men mysteriously commit suicide. Having taken out four shortly into the work, two more are soon killed as they spy on Hakuryu's hotel room, a mysterious woman mind controlling one to kill the other and then himself. When confronted by Goku, Hakuryu seemingly lets him go, saying he doesn't like killing bu won't stop Goku from committing suicide...only to send his psychic lackey after Goku and trying to drive him to suicide, though Goku breaks her spell by gouging out his own eye, interesting a mysterious being who gifts him with the pole weapon and electronic eye to replace the one Goku just lost.
Hypnotizing Goku's partner, Yoko, Hakuryu tries to have Goku killed by her and one of his mooks. Although Goku manages to escape and kill the psychic woman, Yoko later dies of injuries sustained by Hakuryu's poisonous insects. Now, the real kicker. We witness Hakuryu in a meeting with a General commanding a war against another country. Hakuryu sells him a virus to be transmitted through breeding swans, with the potential to kill hundreds of thousands. Afterwards, Hakuryu meets with his next client, the General of the opposing nation and sells him another massively destructive weapon for 120 million yen. Trying to kill Goku off with his guards and a water trap to drown him, Goku hacks Hakuryu's building computers and redirects the water flow to the room Hakuryu is holding his meeting, washing everyone except Hakuryu out the window to their death. Using the decapitated head of some weird robot fetish droid he fought, Goku blasts the greedy arms dealer through the head, putting an end to his schemes.
Heinousness?
The second OVA has a human trafficker but his crimes are very undeveloped and offscreen and the main villain of that one is a total prick but he has even more resources than Hakuryu and although he molests his adoptive daughter and turns his son into a prototype psychic Serial Killer, is only responsible for a few deaths and has a vague goal of getting psychic powers himself, with no emphasis on what he intends to do with them. This has nothing on the massive amount of death Hakuryu will cause with his arms trade.
Mitigating factors?
His dislike of killing is obvious bullshit, as he sends his psychic subordinate after Goku right after he says this. At best he just doesn't like getting his own hands dirty and it's more than likely just a tasteless joke. It's explicit he has no problem ending life
Verdict
Up to you!
hakuyru
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Genji Hakuryu.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsEve, Klamp, and Hakuryu.
"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."Eyup to Hakuryu.
Genji Hakuryu.
For my Asshole Victim from by a CM it would have to be Jacobs from Koba.
Yea on Eve,Hakuryu and Klamp
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Eve and Hakuryu.
to Eve, Klamp, and Harukyu.
To answer a question a few pages back, the dub version of Gonzo Tarukane was added. It's actually funny, because for a while, I was thinking about suggesting the 4Kids dub version of Arlong, but it's been years since I watched that dub and suffering through the 4Kids dub once was enough.
Is this line found under note on Aerys's entry really necessary?
There is no indication all the wildfire has been found.
Totally unnecessary line there
Hakuryu.
I'm pretty sure 4Kids Arlong still got upset when his crew members were hurt.
Echoing Lighty on Aerys. His crime was trying to use the wildfire to burn down King's Landing, how effective people were at stopping him has zero weight on his entry.
edited 24th Feb '18 2:49:15 PM by 43110
Hakuryu
I won’t have many recommendations after this, too much shame.
What is the work?
Puppet is a sequel to Finally Free. No worries, I think this candidate is more deserving than Dark Meta Knight.
What is it?
A lone Dark Matter
What does it do?
Seeking out a Galactica Knight from an alternate reality, the Dark Matter convinces him to help it destroy a monster that has been attack the people of Popstar. Though it’s motivation is called into question when it puts an electric shock collar onto Galactica Knight, threatens to kill him with it if he doesn’t agree to help, and stresses him out to the point he began killing any citizens of Popstar they come across while on their journey to find the monster. Despite having the shock cuff, he doesn’t do anything to stop him from killing the inhabitants.
When they both finally confront the creature, Dark Matter reveals that this was all a Batman Gambit so he could take control of Galactica Knight’s body.
Shoving him into his own mind, Dark Matter mocks Galactica Knight with visions of his past. When he confronts the creature in the center of his own mind, Dark Matter gleefully reveals to Galactica Knight that he killed his family and burned down his village to manipulate years ago. This is Galactica Knight’s Freudian Excuse, his family was killed, but he didn’t know by who, so he just went around destroying planets until he found the one that did it. After giving Galactica this revelation, he mocks him by making him hear the screams of his family and giving him visions of his village burning.
After that, Galactica Knight escapes his mind, it is revealed Dark Matter used his body to killed its monster and set fire that undoubtedly killed many dreamland inhabitants.
This results in Meta Knight killing Galactica Knight when he believed he did it.
He completely gets away with it.
Freudian Excuse or Mitigating Factors?
He used to have identity problems due to his incomprehensible nature confusing even itself, but it has gotten over them. He claimed to have cared for Galactica Knight at one point, but he killed his family and destroyed his home, eradicating the likelihood of this being true. Even if it was, its actions in present show any love it had was gone.
Heinous Standard?
Sets the bar much higher than Dark Meta Knight did. It was willing to cause the deaths of hundreds all for a lazy attack on the Fountain of Dreams.
Conclusion?
Don’t know, I’ll let you guys figure it out.
edited 24th Feb '18 3:21:23 PM by UtterKoala
Going to say no right off the bat because it's a fic based on Kirby and the word "fuck" pops up in it more than once. This does not mesh with the original setting at all.
The fact a search of the word "blood" brings up references to trails of dead bodies being left behind doesn't sell me either.
Hell, every sentence in this story just seems to be about the Dark Matter manipulating the Knight into doing evil things until the Knight is killed and the Dark Matter just escapes, I'm not even sure it's got a proper plot. Look, Koala, none of us want you to leave or feel shame, please just branch out a bit, as has been said below, when looking for works.
edited 24th Feb '18 5:10:23 PM by 43110
to the Dark Matter.
"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."Dark Matter. The prequel story was at least somewhat close to the tone of the canon series. This one is just way too dark to ever fit in with the real Kirby series.
Dark Matter. Word of advice, Koala? Be careful with proposals from Kirby fics. There are much more conducive settings for a CM. I'd recommend searching for fics of works that already have monsters listed.
Hey ACW, if you are putting the Marvel novel villains in order of appearance, Rooftop Ripper should appear last, Untold Tales of Spider-Man came out after Smoke and Mirrors.
Yes to Genji Hakuryu and No to Dark Matter.
Here's what I say with Fan Fiction, you will get far less legitimate monsters from a super G rated franchise like MLP or Kirby, then something aimed at an older audience. The RWBY for example is a better choice, because its not aimed solely at young children.I think you can better results with fan fiction based on shounen anime (Bleach, DBZ, etc), Western comic books (Spider-Man, Batman, etc), sci fi franchises (Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who), fantasy (Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, etc) or even horror (Halloween, Nightmare on Elm street, etc). Those are the franchises that would have Complete Monsters that would make sense for their worlds.
A fan fic that turns Klaw from Black Panther into a monster makes more sense then a fic that tries to turn a minor MLP villain into a serial killer.
Before I get to Strucker and Nadir (eventually ), here's the re-ordered, de-potholed, condensed group:
Novels for adults, copublished by Berkley Boulevard, in rough chronological order Continuity Note
edited 25th Feb '18 2:13:55 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts