To-do list:
- The Wiki Rule is now a Definition-Only Page, so references to the concept are fine, but examples must be removed. Example cleanup can be tracked using Sandbox.The Dewicking Rule.
Percentages (70/70):
- Potholes = 13%
- Just a weblink = 71%
- Weblink + some details about the wiki = 13%
- Misuse = 3%
Analysis: 71% of the sample consists solely of links to wiki sites, just pure links. This is probably motivated by its description, which only requires an existing wiki about a work (with a tvtrope page) to count. The remainder is made up of potholes that mention the trope and other examples with links and a bit more meat on the bones. However, I struggled to find any relevance in these last ones, because they simply discuss the wiki's current state or a few details about it, topics that aren't actually connected to the work itself but to the fandom of the work. Two of them even ask the reader to help expand the wiki, using the trope as some sort of ad. Overall, it appears that the trope doesn't have much to offer as a trivia trope in its current state.
Suggestion:
- Making it a Definition-Only Page and removing all the standalone examples.
- As suggested here:
- Ban examples from being listed on work pages, but allow them on The Wiki Rule page itself.
- Make it a Just for Fun page.
- Rework the trope to be about when creators use a fan's wiki as a reference.
- As suggested in the Tropes Needing TRS post:
- Require examples that aren't hosted on wiki farms like FANDOM.
- Other suggestion are welcome.
Wick check:
With more than two-thirds of the sample, The Wiki Rule is a clear offender of the rule Weblinks Are Not Examples.- DracoInLeatherPants.Video Games: Kane, the leader of the Brotherhood of Nod in the Command & Conquer series. It doesn't help that his motivations seem to change every game, or that the developers themselves seem infected with Evil Is Cool.
- At one point in the first game, he tells the player that "people believe what the media tells them to believe… and I tell the media what to believe". Quite fitting that this is exactly what happens among the fandom — another cutscene has Kane MST the "origin of Tiberium" scene from the GDI campaign, interrupting it at one point to explain that, as opposed to Dr. Mobius finding it and naming it after the Tiber River the first meteor crashed near, Kane himself actually discovered it first and named it after the Roman emperor Tiberius Caesar. Now, if one were to look up Tiberium on Google, almost every result except the C&C Wiki won't even mention Mobius' version of its discovery and naming, much less assume that that's how it actually was discovered.
- Bare-Handed Puppetry: OobiEyes.com, a former online catalogue of unofficial Oobi puppets that closed in 2013, had a YouTube "partnership offer" that gave customers free Oobi eyes if they created web videos with their products. The result was a wide variety of Oobi tributes and spoofs appearing on YouTube, including entire series about bare hand puppet characters. Due to the former popularity of such videos, a wiki exists (of course it does!) for cataloging homemade films starring Oobi puppets.
- Characters.Kan Colle Eight: Sports a 16-inch twin gun mount in addition to her aircraft. The wiki even classifies her as an aviation battleship instead of a carrier.
- WesternAnimation.Ben 10 Omniverse: As noted by the show's official wiki, Clyde Fife is basically Napoleon Dynamite as a Ben 10 character.
- Crunchtastic: Strong Bad from Homestar Runner has coined "extracurriculariffic", and his Sblounskched! candy bar has a "crispety, cookety log" in the middle (a cookie center hollowed out to make room for more "candy matter"). There's a lot more. In fact the Homestar Runner Wiki has a page devoted to all the made-up words!
- Fanfic.The Greatest There Was Or Ever Will Be: In the grand tradition of the Internet, the fanfic has its own wiki here.
- UnusualEuphemism.Webcomics: This is yet another unintentionally hilarious element of Christian Weston Chandler's critically acclaimed masterpiece Sonichu. There are too many examples to list, but suffice it to say that the comic basically has its own vernacular based on the author's unusual usage of English. Examples include "pickle" for penis, "China" for vagina, and "raincoat" for condom. The CWCki has numerous pages about the words Chris comes up with, if you're really interested.
- Official Fan-Submitted Content: Within a loose view of the Disney Ducks Comic Universe canon, certain ideas or fancomics submitted to official creators' blogs and heartily approved by said official creators have got some credit, and are treated as such on the Wiki.
- Characters.Pokemon Diamond And Pearl Gym Leaders And Elite Four: In English: Fantina = Phantom. Plus, according to the PokéWiki her name is the same in both English and Spanish. In Spanish, though, Fantina comes from the more obvious word Fantasma note . The wiki also suggests the name is a reference to Fantine from Les Misérables.
- Trivia.Sam And Max: The Sam & Max Wiki.
- Trivia.Magic Kyun Renaissance: Magic Kyun! Renaissance Wikia.
- Trivia.Yu Yu Hakusho: This one and this one, although the former is much better. ► The second link is down
- Trivia.Fantasy Life: ReveriaExplorer, a database for every item in the game.
- Trivia.I Dont Want To Be The Hive Queen: Has one here.
- Trivia.Sky Children Of The Light: The Sky wiki is right here!
- Trivia.Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII: The Final Fantasy Wiki.
- Trivia.Changeling The Dreaming: The White Wolf Wiki and Changeling: The Dreaming Wiki.
- Trivia.The Lord Of The Rings: The One Wiki To Rule Them All, and The Tolkien Gateway.
- Trivia.Scape And Run Parasites: Scape and Run: Parasites Wiki.
- Trivia.Lovecraft Country: Lovecraft Country Wiki
- Trivia.Farm Ville: The Farmville Wiki.
- Trivia.Vib Ribbon: The Vib-Ribbon Wiki.
- Trivia.Assassins Creed: Here.
- Trivia.One Hundred Percent Orange Juice: The game has an official wiki.
- Trivia.Twelve Tails Online: The Thailand 12 Tails Online Wiki and Wikia's 12 Tails Online English Wiki.
- Trivia.Shadow Raiders: Shadow Raiders Wiki.
- Trivia.Urusei Yatsura: The Urusei Yatsura Wiki.
- Trivia.Boss Monster: Here you go.
- Trivia.The Moomins: Moomin Wiki
- Trivia.Realm Of The Mad God: Right here.
- Trivia.Redungeon: Redungeon Wiki | Fandom
- Trivia.Choushinsei Flashman: Covered as part of RangerWiki.
- Trivia.Danger Days The True Lives Of The Fabulous Killjoys: The Danger Days Wiki, which covers the album, music videos, and comics.
- Trivia.Guyver: The Guyver Wiki.
- Trivia.Eureka Seven: Eureka Seven Wiki.
- Trivia.Akuma No Riddle: Has a wiki here.
- Trivia.A Thing Of Vikings: Has one located here.
- Trivia.Alchemy Stars: Here is the Fandom Wiki.
- Trivia.CSI: The CSI Wiki.
- Trivia.Welcome To The Game: Made before the game even came out, here.
- Trivia.Dragon Quest Builders: The Dragon Quest Wiki, Wikia Dragon Quest Wiki, and Dragon Quest Builders Wiki.
- Trivia.Ninku: Here it is.
- Trivia.Huntik Secrets And Seekers: Huntik Wiki
- Trivia.The Harlem Globetrotters: The Harlem Globetrotters Wiki.
- Trivia.Forever Knight: The Forever Knight Wiki.
- Trivia.My Little Pony Tales: My Little Wiki covers Generations 1-4.
- Trivia.Outlander: The Outlander Wiki.
- Trivia.Temple Run: The Temple Run Wiki.
- Trivia.Killing Eve: Killing Eve Wiki
- Trivia.Walker: Walker Wiki
- Trivia.Perplex City: Has a wiki Here.
- Trivia.Coconut Freds Fruit Salad Island: The Coconut Fred's Fruit Salad Island Wiki.
- Trivia.Fig Hunter: Here.
- Trivia.Wings Of Fire: The Wings of Fire Wiki and Animus Wiki.
- Trivia.Dragon Ball Z Battle Of Gods: The Dragon Ball Wiki.
- Trivia.GI Joe Extreme: Joepedia, the G.I. Joe Wiki.
- Trivia.Chronicles Of The Kencyrath: http://kencyr.wikia.com
- Trivia.Romantically Apocalyptic: Romantically Apocalypse Wiki
- Trivia.Ultima I: The Codex of Ultima Wisdom, and Wikia Codex of Editable Wisdom.
- Trivia.The Raven Cycle: The Raven Boys wikia. It's infamous among the fandom for being a lot more casual than a typical wiki (most character pages are just emotional rambling and fandom jokes rather than objective information).
- Website.Questden: The Questden Wiki serves as an summary and index for every quest and has a few extra articles on things like advice for running threads and archived links to the various fanart threads. ► Trivia tropes doesn't go on the main page, otherwise it's fine
- Trivia.Sword And Fairy: Softstar Wiki, shared with Xuan-Yuan Sword series.
- Trivia.Alien Trilogy: Xenopedia has information on Alien, Predator, and Alien vs. Predator.
- Trivia.Little Big Planet: There used to be one on LBPCentral, but it's been down for some time. In the meantime, there's also one on Wikia.
- Trivia.Ssalia And The Dragons Of Avienot: Has a wiki here, though without much activity.
- Trivia.Bleach Ultimate Alien: Bleach: Ultimate Alien Wiki. Be warned, it is very much incomplete, so some wiki magic love is much appreciated.
- Trivia.Yu Gi Oh Forbidden Memories: Yugipedia (which forked from the old wiki in 2018).
- Trivia.How To Be A Werewolf: The How to Be a Werewolf Wiki. It could use some help as it just recently was created. ► This example was made in 2020
- Trivia.The Descended: Brian has considered making one to keep track of it. Currently averted, though—Brian considers his TV Tropes page to be detailed enough that he doesn't need a wiki of his own. ► Trivia trope can't be played with.
- Trivia.Hellfire Commentaries: Averted; they started a wiki, but eventually scrapped it in favor of a TVTropes page. ► Trivia trope can't be played with.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2023 at 1:47:12 PM
Bit of a nitpick, but as mentioned a few times now these are not ZCE (the examples cover the entire range of context, which is "work has a wiki"). The fact that they aren't ZCE is in fact part of the problem, because it means the concept has so little point that extra context cannot even be provided.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI'm personally a fan of this option in the OP because it has happened (I know the Homestar Runner guys have done it) and it's legit trivia, but I think that's something for TLP to work out.
I voted for DO.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Calling in favor of making The Wiki Rule definition-only.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.~5000 wicks to go through.
I'd like to apologize for all this.Sorry to ask, but what is the sandbox for? Should we put the deleted example there?
ValdoDef-Only doesn't mean removing all wicks, so sandbox notes which namespaces were cleared from wicks as examples. Which it says so.
Edited by Amonimus on Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:12:35 AM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupDidn't we also decide to move it out of Trivia?
I'd like to apologize for all this.No, that got downvoted.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessDo I remove sinkholes? (i.e. "The game's wiki has more information on...")
I'd like to apologize for all this.I mean sinkholes are always bad, which is why there's a whole policy on them.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI removed it from Laws and Formulas and The Internet because Trivia items are not tropes, but on second though, should I have?
I'd like to apologize for all this.Should the lock stay to enforce the example lockout? The page was first locked when on page examples were cut to prevent further ZCEs from showing up.
Life is just a dream.We're sub-4000 when the pages I put on the Cut List are processed.
I'd like to apologize for all this.Do pothole the trope still allowed? I found this on Trivia.Ben 10 Omniverse not sure what to do with it:
- Write Who You Know: Bezel's opinions on magic, at least according to the Ben 10 Wiki, echo Matt Youngberg's, indicating that Bezel was written with some of Matt's personality in mind.
Inline wicks are allowed if they fit.
Edited by Amonimus on Aug 4th 2023 at 12:42:38 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupThough it does seem sort of pointless to just pothole every mention of a wiki to The Wiki Rule...
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessTrivia.Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth was already cleaned out of examples two days ago but still appears in the Related section of The Wiki Rule. Is this a bug or what?
Edited by SoyValdo7 on Aug 5th 2023 at 4:52:38 AM
ValdoIt's a ghost wick. Just add another wick to a different page if possible and it'll vanish.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness~3500 articles left
EDIT: Also, the alternative name Wiki Rule was completely cleaned up.
Edited by SoyValdo7 on Aug 6th 2023 at 9:34:50 AM
ValdoKnocked out a few when doing Talking To Himself wicks.
3243 left.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportSo, where should we post links to wikis?
Is there a policy for that somewhere?
Crown Description:
- The Wiki Rule is about how the Internet is capable of generating a fan-made wiki on virtually any topic imaginable (movies, books, TV series, comics, fortune cookies, etc.). It is an 11-year-old trivia trope consisting largely of external links and Potholes. This was brought up in a trope talk a few years ago, and it was eventually added to the Tropes Needing TRS because, and I quote, "[a wiki's] existence is not very notable". Here is the Wick Check.
- 71% of the sample consists solely of links to wiki sites, just pure links. This is probably motivated by its description, which only requires an existing wiki about a work (with a tvtrope page) to count. The remainder is made up of potholes that mention the trope and other examples with links and a bit more meat on the bones. However, I struggled to find any relevance in these last ones, because they simply discuss the wiki's current state or a few details about it, topics that aren't actually connected to the work itself but to the fandom of the work. Two of them even ask the reader to help expand the wiki, using the trope as some sort of ad. Overall, it appears that the trope doesn't have much to offer as a trivia trope in its current state.
- What should be done with The Wiki Rule?
As I said, I actually think on-page examples only would've been preferable as that at least served a useful if off-mission purpose of aggregating wiki links. Literally nobody benefits from just scattering ZCE links around countless random Trivia subpages.