UsefulNotes/NoteworthyDisneyStaff

Noteworthy Disney Staff: This page is massive. It's far too long, and it needs work. There are some ways I think we can go about fixing this (in approximate order of how they should be done).

I've moved the Disney + Nine Old Men folder to a separate page at The Walt Disney Family and the Nine Old Men.

1. There's a lot of actors on there, I've started moving those to Noteworthy Disney Actors, but letting the ones who have done other things at Disney or who acted in very important things remain as duplicates.
2. There's an issue with 'Notable' and 'Disney Staff' — that's what the page is for, and yet there are some people listed who did minor work on one television show that was made by a company that is now owned by Disney. I would not call them Disney staff. As for 'notable', well, some of the people who have done minor Disney work do have a page on here, which is notable enough. If you haven't really worked for Disney but close enough and don't have a TVT page, why on earth do you have an entry on that page? I could add myself by that logic. I think to really qualify, someone should have either A. a bonafide working relationship with the Disney corporation, so much so that they would be able to tell immigration officers that they work for Disney kind of close, OR B. a definite position having done work for a Disney company and a page on this wiki, but preferably they would have A and B.
3. Following the separate page for actors, to make a separate page for Disney Legends.
4. It's alphabeticised by first name, sometimes nickname. This needs to be sorted.
5. Some of the descriptions attached to people are very poor. They should not be overly long, delve into anything unrelated, or be badly written.

edited 31st Jul '17 1:46:59 PM by lakingsif

Yeah, I agree. Have not done a major edit for the page in months except for adding the producer of Ratatouille, Brad Lewis, to the page.

Think he's relevant enough to be considered noteworthy disney staff?

Also, I think we should move this to short-term projects as Nombretomado suggested.

edited 31st Jul '17 6:59:57 PM by jameygamer

I'd already made it here before going to ATT, I felt like since it was so big and full of cruft, some constant maintenance might be necessary.

A lot of the edits were pretty old. The George Lucas one was there for at least a year.

The "alphabetization by first name" was done by someone on the former version of that page, which was a creator page. It was like that when I found that page. That page was cutlisted and deleted in Spring 2016, so I have no idea who started it.

My response to OP numbered for each of item in the OP's numbered list.

1. I don't think that's a good idea to have duplicates. Innocent tropers may expand an entry on Page A but then not realize the example has another entry on Page B.
2. I think there's a problem with this page and There Is No Such Thing as Notability. I think mere popularity (in this case, within the company or outside it) shouldn't be a factor here, but the person being on one project or something (like OP said) shouldn't be enough to count as being on this list.
3. What would a "Disney Legend" be? Someone who is even more notable than "very notable"? I honestly do not understand the logic.
4. Yup. Agreed.
5. While I do agree with you, I'm only seeing one-line (very short) entries on the page. So, what would "overly long" be?

All that said, I just want to say that working on one film should not qualify (on its own) someone as "notable" for this page.

If we start on the main page, the biggest issue. Best thing to do is streamline it. That's making all entries very subjectively "this person has done this thing by Disney", unless it's significant at which point the significance gets explained. Unless you find one that has nearly no relation to Disney, which is either a simple cut or bring it here and ask the hive mind if they think it should be cut.

Then it's arrange the page properly.

Oh, Disney Legends is an actual honor that's given to people who have worked with the company. Good point on the duplicates, actually. There were some Wall of Text entries that were mostly tangents or subjectivity that I have cut.

edited 31st Jul '17 7:15:00 PM by lakingsif

Edit: Never mind, lakingsif found what it was.

edited 31st Jul '17 7:15:15 PM by jameygamer

Thank you, Nombretomado.

I'll take a whack at Folder A. I'll cut out entries that don't even mention the person's position at Disney, and anything that's fairly obviously insignificant. I'll post a list of those I think aren't significant in case I happen to be utterly wrong (though someone hosting the final season of a show probably won't be significant). I'll put anything back if it's actually significant to the company.

EDIT: Here's a list of the people I found who weren't really significant, imo. Just posting this as an early double-checking method. Basically, if they've only worked on one or two projects, or happened to be the president or VP, or an assistant to somebody, I cut them. This only includes those entries that I cut for being insignificant, but that happens to be most of my cuts in this case.

edited 31st Jul '17 7:45:04 PM by WaterBlap

Maybe keep Andy Bird: Chairman of Walt Disney International, given the fact he's chairman, if we can find something valuable to add to that (in charge of X, has contributed to Y). Otherwise... boy, the assistant to the second director, we'll miss you. And did one of those say that she now works at a grocery store?

I have NO idea.

There's also a few presidents and V Ps in there. So, chairman signifiant, pres. not so much? Also, yes, it has that much detail as to say where some of them went to work afterwards. I think that sort of information can go for being irrelevant to their time at Disney, since this is about the staff at Disney.

People don't always realize how public their asides are. It's entirely possible that someone searched for this person in the deep web... or happened to know her in RL (or was her?). I'm not going to check, honestly.

edited 31st Jul '17 8:20:31 PM by WaterBlap

I was more startled at somebody knowing that.

How is the staff of Disney (or any other content producer) relevant to our site? Unless they qualify for a Creator article, there's no content worth preserving. Otherwise, why not make a page for everybody in Sony Pictures America, or Valve? It's a rabbit hole of pointlessness.

Just cut it down to people with pages who aren't actors (and that aren't shoehorned)? Anyone without a page that does seem of reasonable importance gets a commented out red link (Disney Legends, long time contributors, created things of importance).

Non-gratuitous non-actor people that are blue linked on Noteworthy Disney Staff:

• Art Babbitt
• Andreas Deja
• Alan Menken
• Brad Bird
• Chris Sanders
• Carl Barks
• Don Rosa
• Don Bluth
• Dave Wasson
• Eric Goldberg
• Friz Freleng
• Fred Moore
• Floyd Gottfredson
• Grim Natwick
• Greg Weisman
• Glen Keane
• George Lucas
• Harman and Ising
• John Lasseter
• Joe Ranft
• Jim Henson
• Jerry Bruckheimer
• Kevin Feige
• Kathleen Kennedy
• Lawrence Kasdan
• Michael Giacchino
• Robert Stevenson
• Richard Rich
• Rich Moore
• Steve Jobs
• Stan Lee
• The Sherman Brothers
• Ub Iwerks
• Bill Tytla
• Yoko Shimomura

edited 1st Aug '17 7:39:26 AM by lakingsif

Okay, I cut down on some of the extra entries in the B, C, and D folders.

Cut down some more, specifically in the E zone.

My next progress report is I'm up to the M's, but I won't go any further tonight.

Also disposed of a red link concerning Mannheim Steamroller; the band does not have a creator page on Tropes.

Up to the M's. Here's what I've cut:

[[folder:M]]

• Mark Dornfeld: Title opticals supervisor on Hunchback.
• Mark Eades: Imagineer from 1982 to 1993; now freelance writer for OC Register.
• Mark Elliot: Announcer on Walt Disney Home Video.
• Mark Green: Music editor on Hunchback.
• Mark Kausler: Did animation for Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
• Mark Kennedy: Head of story on Tangled Ever After.
• Mark Koetsier: One of Rourke's animators on Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Mark Kondracki: Dialogue engineer for Paul Rudish's Mickey Mouse (2013).
• Mark Myer: Supervising animator of visual effects on Tarzan.
• Mark Parker: Board member at Disney and CEO of Nike.
• Mark W. Gilicinski: Manager of technology on Lilo And Stitch.
• Mark Walton: Provided additional story on The Emperor's New Groove.
• Marlon West: Provided additional visual effects on The Emperor's New Groove.
• Marshall Lee Toomey: Clean-Up supervisor on Tarzan.
• Martin Erskine: A music conductor/arranger at Disney.
• Marty Katz: The longtime Hollywood executive worked at Disney for 8 years as the Senior Vice President of Motion Picture and Television Production, and founded his production company there. After his relationship with Disney ended, Katz moved his company to Santa Monica.
• Marvin Woodward: One of the animators on The Sorcerer's Apprentice in Fantasia.
• Marvin Zindler: A major anchor on the Houston, Texas branch of ABC News. He was noteworthy for several projects, including the city's "Clean Kitchen" award and doing multiple international stories; one of these big stories led to the events that inspired The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas and ZZ Top's "La Grange", which made him well-known in the ABC community well prior to his death in 2007.
• Mary Blee: Assistant editor on Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Mary Green: Assistant to the associate producer of Lilo And Stitch.
• Mary Hidalgo: Casting director on Tarzan.
• Mary V. Buck: Casting manager for The Rescuers Down Under.
• Maryann McLeod: Production coordinator of CGI on Hunchback.
• Masato Nakamura: The frontman of Dreams Come True and the composer of the music for the first two Sonic The Hedgehog games, which has worked on a few Asian Disney projects including Tokyo Disneyland.
• Matt Codd: One of the production designers on Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Matthew Jon Beck: Associate casting manager on The Emperor's New Groove.
• Matthew O'Callaghan: Directing animator on The Little Mermaid.
• Matthias Lechner: Art director of environments on Zootopia.
• Maureen Donley: Associate producer of The Little Mermaid.
• Maurice Hunt: Art director on The Rescuers Down Under.
• Maurice Noble: Animator who worked with Walt during the Golden Years.
• Mauro Maressa: Visual effects artist at Disney Animation; this person worked on Hunchback.
• Maxwell "Max" Brace IV: Story artist and story supervisor on Pixar's films such as Finding Dory.
• McLaren Stewart: Animation art director on Mary Poppins.
• Meredith Layne: Casting assistant on Hunchback.
• Michael A. Shantzis: Pixar employee who worked with the CAPS system on several Disney Renaissance films.
• Michael Benet: Animator on human Kenai in Brother Bear.
• Michael Cedeno: Character animator on The Fox And The Hound and Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Michael E. Polakow: Provided additional editorial services on The Emperor's New Groove.
• Michael Fong: A supervising technical director on Pixar projects such as Riley's First Date?
• Michael Giaimo: Art director for Frozen Fever and Pocahontas.
• Michael Humphries: Art director for the Piano Concerto No. 2 number in Fantasia 2000.
• Michael Kaschalk: 3D EFX supervising animator on Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Michael Kelly: Editor of Mulan and Lilo & Stitch.
• Michael Kenji Tomizawa: Japanese-American Post-production engineer of Lilo And Stitch.
• Michael Peraza. Jr.: Layout artist on The Fox And The Hound.
• Michael Phillips: Film critic who co-hosted the At The Movies program from Disney for its final season.
• Michael Rosenthal: An assistant editor on Never Cry Wolf.
• Michael Starobin: Arranged the songs and score of the Walt Disney Classic The Hunchback Of Notre Dame.
• Michael Stocker: One of the two supervising animators of Finding Dory.
• Michael Surrey: Disney Renaissance animator; he worked on Tarzan and Hunchback and animated Rourke in Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Michael White: Major player in Disney Consumer Products and Disney Interactive Studios.
• Michele Mazzano: Assistant production manager of visual effects on Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Michelle Robinson: Look supervisor on Zootopia.
• Michelle Tuzee: A major anchor at the Los Angeles branch of ABC News, which is a primary base for the network company.
• Mike D'Isa: Second animator for Mrs. Packard and Mr. Harcourt in Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
• Milt Neil: Animator who worked on The Reluctant Dragon.
• Mira Nikolic: One of the two CGI technical directors on The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
• Monica C. Lozano: Newspaper editor and boss of La Impre Media who is a board member at Disney; also an advisor on Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board.
• Monica Lago-Kaytis: Associate producer of Wreck-It Ralph.

Also removed Michael Moore's entry and edited down Michael Ovitz's. I'll discuss that in PM.

That will do it tonight.

Also, folder does not work right now.

edited 3rd Aug '17 12:59:54 AM by jameygamer

Went and edited down some more. Forgot to save them to a folder, but a lot of them were mostly small roles. I've left a few I'm not sure about for discussion here.

Cut down a lot more, and made it to the bottom of the page. Want to continue this discussion before we do anything else.

I may go ahead and move the remaining actors to the new page.

Uh, what do we do with the remaining actors on the Disney Staff page? Delete or leave?

move to the actors page, I guess