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I want to share these two examples from Ant-Man and the Wasp. I've noticed a trend in most MCU movies that if a not mainstream villain is featured in a major role, it's considered an Ensemble Dark Horse
I'm pretty sure these two are disqualified in the movie at least because they are both the main antagonists.
I just stumbled upon EnsembleDarkhorse.Evil Con Carne. It seems to have been written almost entirely by a single user and is just a list of their favorite characters.
There's also HilariousInHindsight.Evil Con Carne, by the same user. We don't have a cleanup thread for Hilarious in Hindsight, so I figured I'd just bring it up while I'm already here. It's just a list of random things that tenuously relate to other random things. For example:
I don't even get what's supposed to be funny about that last one. Or any of them, really.
I'll just go ahead and Cut List both of these pages soon unless anyone has any reason not to.
EDIT: And they're gone.
Edited by Primis on Apr 27th 2019 at 3:58:02 AM
I just did a fix-up on EnsembleDarkhorse.Steven Universe and I'd like someone who's caught up/doesn't care about spoilers to give it another look for me (particularly the Ruby Squad entry. I know they're loved, but I don't know how much, and grouping them together like that doesn't seem right).
I also have another question; do the Fusions of the main characters count as main characters? I mean, obviously on that grounds alone, the answer would be "yes", but they appear so briefly and sporadically that I think they can be given a pass (for instance, the Fusion with the most appearances, Stevonnie [Steven and Connie], has shown up in 7 episodes of around 160. Opal [Pearl and Amethyst], one of the most loved Fusions, has appeared three times and only spoke in her first appearance).
Bringing up this example from Hellboy (2019):
So it's been 3 days, any chance I could get a response regarding the examples I brought up above?
So it's been 6 days, any chance I could get a response regarding the examples I brought up above?
So...what is this character's role in the show? It doesn't tell us if their apparent popularity is unusual for their role; Darkhorses can't be major characters since those characters are expected to get popular.
By what metric do we measure how important a Pokemon species is, and whether its popularity is disproportionate to its importance?
EnsembleDarkhorse.Pokemon lists Meowth (who is a major character in the anime) and Eevee (which Nintendo seems to be trying to push as a secondary mascot after Pikachu), as well as many entries which read as "I REALLY like this Pokemon!!!"
For Eevee, I remember hearing that one of the reasons they were making Eevee a mascot is because of its popularity shortly after Let's Go was announced. Do we have any tropes where a character gains a bigger role because of their popularity within the fandom?
Breakout Character would probably fit that description.
On YMMV/Skullgirls, Peacock, Squigly and Big Band are listed as Ensemble Darkhorses despite being playable. Big Band in particular is more of a Breakout Character (he was a background NPC who later became playable because of his popularity).
Could I please get some feedback on this?
I can't really comment on the Ruby Squad, but I would consider the fusions their own characters and thus able to qualify, personally.
On Pokémon: Storm Clouds I found Masque listed as an Ensemble Dark Horse even though other information I've been getting says he's the true Big Bad and final villain of the story. That by default means he has too much story relevance to count as an Ensemble Dark Horse, right?
And on Pokémon Colosseum I found Wes listed even though he's the main character. And the example seems to be trying to justify it with the fact that he's the main character of a spin-off game, but he's still a main character
I think both of these should be cut
I have a feeling that Ensemble Darkhorse is being misused in a few example. From Overwatch
So the trend here is that any named character is an authomatic Ensemble Dark Horse. The problem here is that couple of them were Promoted to Playable or are often seen in the game itself (Like Bob) so i don't think they qualify for the trope.
On other case like Lynx, Mauga or Balderich while they aren't playable characters, the stories that do feature them have them in an important role and AFAIK, Ensemble Dark Horse is only for tertiary or minor characters. If a comic or short story features you as an important character, do you still qualify for the trope?
Those don't seem like valid examples
Do any of these Animal Crossing examples count?
These were removed from EnsembleDarkhorse.Marvel Cinematic Universe:
The reason was "This trope only applies for individual characters, not groups or organizations." The no-groups thing applies to The Scrappy, but it's the first I've heard of it applied to Darkhorse. Does it?
So Spinel, the antagonist of Steven Universe: The Movie who is in a majority of the film's screentime, is listed in EnsembleDarkhorse.Steven Universe. I imagine there's no objection to removing her?
Side note, have we settled on a wait time for ED like Broken Base and Base-Breaking Character have?
The animal crossing ones are definitely misuse since they should be about minor characters. The only one that may fit is K.K. Slider.
Slider also got an amiibo and is treated more like the other "bigger" NPC's. Only ones like the Shop Owners, Museum Owners, Isabelle, and Mr. Resetti actually have amiibo. None of the minor characters do(Tom or Katt, two cats, for instance). Basically, the regular Villagers are treated as unimportant, and only get amiibo cards at most. The bigger ones have regular physical amiibo. K.K. Slider is among that set. Settings-wise, he's your original source of songs till later games made them buyable. He's about as minor as the Museum characters, so is part of the 100% completion factor for any important stuff. I'd argue he still isn't minor overall.
I deleted Spinel. So uh, another conundrum; the main antagonists of the spinoff games Save the Light and The Phantom Fable are also on the page, but I'm not sure if they should be removed since they appear in one game each, which aren't required in order to be caught up with the show - and in Fable's case, her game might not even be canon.
The pilot version of Pearl is also listed on the page, and I don't know if she should be removed either, as while it's still Pearl, pilot Pearl and canon Pearl are very different in terms of design and personality.
So, I'm wondering if Hugh Laurie's unnamed British passenger from Friends would qualify. I have seen multiple clips of the footage in which he appears, and a good number of the comments were cheering on the character, partially due to calling Rachel out for ostensibly selfish behavior.
I mean, I am not sure how well known the character is, but I think for a little known character, he seems pretty popular.
The guy on the plane only appears in two scenes from The One With Ross's Wedding Pt. 2.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 23rd 2019 at 5:35:34 AM
Sounds like he could. Does he appear in any other episode?
If they're the main antagonists, they are by default not minor characters.
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