Is this an example?

I added this to Johnny Bravo but aren't sure if it's the right trope, is this correctly written or trope misuse:

• Schrödinger's Canon: Seasons 2 and 3 appear to be in their own continuity according to the show's wiki and fanon, but it's not confirmed if they're canon to the rest of the series (Season 1 and Season 4) due to the major Art Shift, humor change and things that cause Continuity Snarl, with Aron City seemingly replaced by a City with No Name, and Johnny becoming an Adaptational Dumbass and other inconsistencies. However, there is no official word on its canonicity, so it's considered canon; then again, the show has Negative Continuity.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 8th 2022 at 6:05:04 PM

From Obra's section in Characters.Fairy Tail Official Guilds:

• What Happened to the Mouse?: After the Grand Magic Games, Obra swears revenge on Fairy Tail and joins up with Zeref, never to be seen or heard from again.

As many of us know, this particular trope is for cases where a character simply disappears without reason or acknowledgment by the rest of the cast. In many stories, some characters enter the story, serve their role, and move on without any fanfare. If they have served their purpose and exit the story, then it's not a What Happened to the Mouse? situation just because there isn't some final "where are they now" information given.

Given that, is the above example considered a valid example of this trope?

Edited by gjjones on Feb 8th 2022 at 12:39:35 PM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

I don't see why that doesn't count. Joining up with the Big Bad and swearing revenge doesn't sound like "this character naturally exited the story" - it sounds like a hook for him showing up again.

Hmm, I see.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

For Series.The Book Of Boba Fett:

• I Want You to Meet an Old Friend of Mine: Sophie Thatcher (Drash) and Pedro Pascal (Din Djarin) previously collaborated on the Space Western Prospect, which coincidentally also cast Pascal as an orphan (Thatcher)'s foster father.

Would this qualify even if it turned out that in every scene Din and Drash share together (I haven't seen Chapter 7 yet), Din was actually a body double dubbed over by Pascal?

For Apparently Powerless Puppetmaster:

• Daredevil: In season 3, Wilson Fisk manipulates the FBI into letting him out of prison and putting him under house arrest in a Manhattan hotel penthouse. Ray Nadeem, the agent who makes the deal with Fisk, is led to think Fisk is powerless since he's under round-the-clock surveillance and can't have outside contact with anyone other than his attorneys, and that he's just a cooperating prisoner giving up other criminals in exchange for Vanessa's freedom. In truth, Fisk is 100% in charge of everything, as he secretly owns the hotel, has in fact been manipulating Nadeem from behind bars for several years, and the FBI agents guarding him have been blackmailed, bribed or coerced into serving as his enforcers to extort other crime lords into paying him protection money.

Does this count as being "apparently powerless" when the person in question seems incapable of running a criminal enterprise but actually is still giving orders?

Edited by dmcreif on Feb 9th 2022 at 7:12:55 AM

The cold never bothered me anyway

From BrokenAesop.Western Animation:

• Uncle Grandpa didn't normally have An Aesop, as it was an animated series that relied on Surreal Humor, but there was one episode which did have An Aesop. The episode "The Fan", Season 2, Episode 7, was meant to deliver the morals of "There's more to life than being obsessed with a television or show or fandom", "Someone spending their whole life inside a house and never outside can dramatically effect how they function, or even live in life without any real kind of development." and "It's better to have multiple passions and not be consumed by a toxic fandom", and also "Your heroes can become a Broken Pedestal", with the super-fan Nubert Nimbo, a socially-awkward One-Shot Character with an Ambiguous Disorder learning the moral. The episode completely contradicted the moral by having the show's protagonist Uncle Grandpa damaging Nubert's collection (which could have been worth a lot, both emotionally and financially), to melt down into a statue of Nubert's mother. This instead gave the moral of "It's OK to damage people's possessions to snap them out of a passion". In the end, the only moral learnt was "Your heroes have problems just as much as anyone else, while the other two morals were completely contradicted. This trope ends up being zig-zagged, but on the whole it's mostly played straight.

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I added this entry, but is it a good enough example, it's not a zero-context one, but is it too Wall of Text-ish and does it explain everything?

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 10th 2022 at 12:15:29 PM

Is World War Whatever appropiate for works named "World War" something, such as World War Hulk?

Ultimate Secret Wars

Its description explicitly says it's about the settings that had World War IV. I don't think World War Hulk is set after an actual world war, but I haven't read it.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

Is this actually Villain by Default, instead of Designated Villain, because it's tied to a profession, being a prosecution's attorney vs. the defense lawyer protagonists?

WesternAnimation.Science Court:

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Um, is he actually evil/villainous, or is he just the antagonist? Compare Klavier in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, a prosecutor rival who is weird but overall heroic. If it's the latter, I would just remove entirely.

I'm not sure about the scope of Undermined By Reality. Does this sound like it applies?

• Pam & Tommy marketed itself as a show that would finally give Pamela Anderson her due and portray her as a complex and genuine woman after her sex tape leak did a number on her reputation. with cast members even calling it a 'feminist statement'. However, multiple critics pointed out that Anderson's refusal to be involved (amid 'insiders' reporting that the show was 're-traumatizing' her) contradicted that. Unlike I, Tonya or Impeachment, where Tonya Harding and Monica Lewinsky were involved in the production, Pam and Tommy instead comes across as other people continuing to tell Anderson's story for her.

- Designated Antagonist is unfortunately presently the Designated Villain redirect.

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It wouldn't count for Undermined, if it has "When it was made it made sense, but later, new information, that no one else knew, came to light and undermined..."

Instead of the info having to be available at time of production. Which sounds more like Broken Aesop, due to lacking a time factor, all the information being available all at once?

Edited by Malady on Feb 11th 2022 at 8:19:25 AM

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No, I'm saying to remove Designated Villain entirely if you're unsure if it applies. It may not: the Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist, who opposes the hero because it's his job, is not automatically Designated Villain. Whether or not he is DV is not necessary to contextualize Cloudcuckoolander, so it's not like the example doesn't work without it.

Also, since you replied while I was replying, there's a whole paragraph in Broken Aesop that says 'meta' examples are perhaps better in Undermined By Reality.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 11th 2022 at 10:21:33 AM

- Ah. Doing. And oh, Broken Aesop directly says to use Undermined By Reality for this Metafictional-ness. Huh.

Yea. "Perhaps" Or "Must Go"?

Edited by Malady on Feb 11th 2022 at 8:20:58 AM

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From Miraculous Ladybug S04E22 "Ephemeral":

• Outside-Context Problem: Prior to this episode, all instances of Unification were limited to two Miraculouses at a time, as Master Fu had warned Marinette that wielding multiple Miraculous posed an inherent danger to the user's mind. Even when "Kwamibuster" had Marinette (as Multimouse) wearing every single Miraculous she had access to at that point, she used Multiplication to share the load across her copies and never fused more than two with any one copy. This episode has Shadow Moth, already wielding the Peacock and Butterfly, unify again with the Cat Miraculous to become Shadow Noir for his confrontation with Ladybug, and he then unifies with the Ladybug Miraculous offscreen (though he may have discarded the Peacock and Butterfly before doing that). Of course, even if Gabriel is aware of the risk, he's the type of person to do it anyway if it materially benefits him. Presumably, Shadow Noir doesn't appear outwardly affected fine because he wasn't all there to begin with.

This doesn't seem "outside context" to us at all, just a thing that hadn't happened yet.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Per this ATT regarding an entry that has been subject to edit war. Do you guys feel this fits Fan-Preferred Cut Content and should be added back? Or does the fact that it was added "back" in a recut mean that it's no longer cut content?

• Justice League (2017) went through many extensive reshoots, modifications and cuts as a result of original director Zack Snyder departing in favor of Joss Whedon, many of which resulted in a rather messy final film that many despised and would lead to fans clamoring and campaigning for the film as originally envisioned by Snyder. Shockingly enough, this reaction would cause Warner Bros. (or their new owners AT&T) to let Snyder re-edit the film to be closer to his original vision, resulting in Zack Snyder's Justice League, which most consider to be a far better film than the theatrical version.

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Agreed. My eyes kinda glazed over it, but it looks like a specific application of the villain's powers that they hadn't yet done, not an entirely different problem.

The description covers any sort of unused production idea. But do we actually know precisely what was cut/unused from the 2017 movie? Because the context is just "the finished product is a mess" without talking about any specific "cut content". Meanwhile, lots of films undergo reshoots and recuts and turn out OK.

And because I dug this up while verifying the edit war, ~Tylerbear 12 (who originally added the example) might be able to weigh in.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 11th 2022 at 2:30:07 PM

To my knowledge we know for sure that Darkseid, the majority of Cyborg scenes, Iris West, Cyborg's mom, Ryan Choi, and some depth from Steppenwolf were cut. With multiple sources and evidence to corroborate that they were there originally before being cut. Those were the ones to my knowledge we know was cut and these were things the fans preferred to have been in the theatrical cut.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 11th 2022 at 2:45:31 PM

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I have read that Whedon specifically cut Cyborg's subplot for pacing reasons, among other things. I don't know at what stage of filming it was, but the fact that he consciously left it out says that it was indeed cut, not just added later.

Having said that, the entry could be tweaked to leave out "shocking" and being clearer about the flaws of Whedon's version.

Edited by Reymma on Feb 11th 2022 at 8:58:34 PM

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

I could take a crack at rewriting it.

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So lemme state right off the bat that I apologize for indirectly starting this. I didn't think this would result in an edit war or what not. Definitely not the intention,

Anyways, I added the example a few months back when the page was new because I know most tend to prefer Synder's vision over the final theatrical film and what not. That said, seeing as that film did get released in the form of Zack Snyder's Justice League, pulling it out of the cutting room, it probably isn't really an example. Maybe in a historical sense more than anything.

That said, I would be happy to encourage a rewrite as my original post honestly isn't that great looking back. Probably best by someone who is more into the know how than I am, as I admittedly didn’t do much research and I never watched the film myself.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Feb 11th 2022 at 5:55:57 AM

"Shocking" doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me, TBH. It's rare if not unprecedented for a campaign like this to actually succeed, and given that Snyder is at best a highly polarizing director, it was equally surprising that people would in fact overwhelmingly embrace his version.

I don't think existence of Zack Snyder's Justice League would invalidate the entry. The cut content making it into a rerelease doesn't mean the fan reaction didn't happen, right?

Also, "shocking" reads okay.

So, am I okay to rewrite it? I don't think the "shocking" part needs to be removed but I feel like I could rewrite it to be a bit clearer on certain things.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 11th 2022 at 9:59:59 AM

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This was just added to Sponge Bob Square Pants S 2 E 18 Sailor Mouth Artist Unknown.

• Broken Aesop: The episode's message is to teach viewers that using swear words is morally wrong. But the irony behind it is that the actors have actually been swearing during recording, and then the bad words are replaced with dolphin noises, horns, and such. So it would seem that they're teaching children lessons that the actors and writers themselves would never live by.

Does meta/behind the scenes stuff qualify for Broken Aesop, or would it fit better under Undermined By Reality?