Is this an example?

From Super Robot Wars DD:

• Back-to-Back Badasses: The first PV shows Valvrave I and Gundam Barbatos doing this around the 30-second mark, spinning around together, until they broke off and each of them sliced an Original Generation Mook in half with their respective katanas.

There are several problems with this entry. First, it's got a Word Cruft / ZCE problem, saying "doing this" instead of saying what they actually do. Second, it's written in the past tense instead of the historical present.

Before we worry about the wording problems, does this trope actually apply?

The Back-to-Back Badasses trope description says: "When two people are completely surrounded, outnumbered and outgunned, by simply coming together and having their backs against each other, they are suddenly much more capable."

Is that what happens in the trailer? Because saying "[characters] do this" is the equivalent of saying "trope happens." It doesn't give us any useful information about whether the trope actually applies.

Supernatural Light...

Light with a Supernatural Source, or basically, Undead Glows, like Power Glows?

Mundane Utility light spells go there or not?

Edited by Malady on Jun 25th 2019 at 8:08:51 AM

As someone editing the Super Robot Wars DD page, I thank High Crate for bringing up the issue here.

From what's shown in the trailer, I could say that they're surrounded and outnumbered as projectiles are coming from all directions but the mooks belong to the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy so the two mechs aren't really at a disadvantage.

Edited by PangaeasMostWanted on Jun 25th 2019 at 8:16:38 AM

The second one. It's about supernatural/powerful creatures glowing as part of their nature. Magical flashlights and the like aren't really in the spirit of the trope.

That's why I preferred the redirect name, Ghostly Glow.

Edited by naturalironist on Jun 25th 2019 at 11:50:46 AM

Thanks for coming here to figure it out with me. It sounds like it's a valid example, we just need to work on the wording a little to establish proper context and work out some stylistic kinks, and our conversation was getting a little granular for a back-and-forth on an edit history.

Edited by HighCrate on Jun 25th 2019 at 8:53:39 AM

Does this count as Amazing Technicolor Wildlife?

• While the lionesses in Disney/The Lion King}} are more or less offset from realistic lion colors, the males are either bright gold with cherry red manes or extremely dark with completely black manes. This is played straight during the musical number "I Just Can't Wait to be King", though; it wouldn't be a Disney Acid Sequence otherwise!

Edit:

Hocus Pocus

• Cult Classic: It wasn't a great hit at the box office (being a Halloween movie released in July will do that to you) or with critics, but has become a modern Halloween classic.

Is it a Cult Classic? It seems mainstream to me.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jun 25th 2019 at 2:10:44 AM

Seems legit to me. It didn’t do well originally, and I think people mostly love it for being a cheesy camp fest, as with most Cult films. I don’t know if it’s that mainstream- I only heard about it through review channels. Could be a depends on the region thing.

It had a huge anniversary thing last year and it has a sequel book, but the book also calls it a cult classic so I'm guessing it is one.

In response to a query regarding Asuka's Irish accent on the previous page, I've heard her voice on Netflix and that accent is quite noticeable throughout the series, especially in her scenes with Shinji and her battles. So I think that might count as the Misplaced Accent trope. I could be wrong, though.

Edited by gjjones on Jun 25th 2019 at 10:50:07 AM

Reposting from the previous page:

Is it me or do none of the Locked Out of the Loop examples on War of the Realms fit the definition of the trope - (Everyone knows a deep, dark secret about a character... Except the character themselves.)

• Locked Out of the Loop:
  • Zig-zagged to hell and back. Despite being the big finale to the Myth Arc and involving Earth, not every title is getting involved, which sticks with Marvel's desire not to enact such big plots with massive tie-ins. For instance, while the X-Men are involved, they are attached to a three issue mini-series leaving the other titles free for Age of X-Man (which involves almost every mutant in the Marvel world trapped in an alternate, utopian reality created by X-Man) and its aftermath.
  • An interesting case involves Venom, with both Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote acting separately under that moniker — Donny Cates' Venom #12 having ended with the symbiote realizing it's been a terrible partner to Eddie and them going their separate ways. Eddie tricks one of Malekith's war-witches into giving him an artificial symbiote; while the Venom symbiote joins the War Avengers and is captured by Malekith, who tries to turn it into his own version of All-Black. In Issue #14, Eddie even outright states he has no clue what's going on.
  • Carnage — who himself has his own event happening right after War of the Realms ends — has been travelling around the United States hunting past and present symbiote hosts. It was acknowledged on Twitter that North America being glaciated into New Jotunheim would put a crimp in this crusade, but no indication has been given that we'll see him doing anything about it.

Trying out a different wording for the Back-to-Back Badasses entry for Super Robot Wars DD:

"As Original Generation Mooks bombard the protagonist mechas (or at least try to), two of them (the Barbatos and Valvrave I) spin around together then break off to slice enemies with their katanas."

Is that acceptable enough?

Edited by PangaeasMostWanted on Jun 26th 2019 at 5:51:47 AM

I mean, the example text still needs to establish that they're fighting with their backs to each other. Otherwise they could be spinning around facing each other for all the reader knows.

It also needs to cite the source, since it's an upcoming work.

Edited by HighCrate on Jun 26th 2019 at 5:48:01 AM

How about this one?

"As Original Generation Mooks bombard the protagonist mechas (or at least try to) in the first PV, two of them (the Barbatos and Valvrave I) spin around with their backs against each other then break off to slice enemies with their katanas."

That works I think.

In Issue 57 of the IDW MLP comics, Pinkie Pie turns herself into an alicorn and dubs herself "the princess of chaos", does this count as a One-Winged Angel form for Pinkie Pie, or a Superpowered Evil Side?

That depends, does she become evil?

To count as a Superpowered Evil Side, the form would have to give her superpowers, and be morally compromising in some way. (Doesn't have to make her strictly evil, but the trope description describes having fewer compunctions about collateral damage, an extra brutal fighting style, stuff like that which tends to be evil-coded even if the character's goals are still good.)

To count as a One-Winged Angel form, she would have to get an increase in power, her new form would have to be large and monstrous, and she would have to be the Big Bad of the work and turn into the form during the final battle.

(Incidentally, a cursory look at the OWA example section reveals a big ZCE and misuse problem. It could probably use a Short-Term Projects thread for cleanup.)

It's complicated, she turned herself into an alicorn yet I'm not quite clear if she turned evil stated she plans on using her chaos powers in the real world, but didn't say what she'll do then

I assume, then, that the series is still ongoing and/or you're still reading it?

No, I think Friendship is Magic IDW comics is still going on, but the event I as taking about happend in only one issue

If you can't even tell if she turned evil, then, I don't know...

Here's an example I'm asking about for Used to Be More Social; if if fits, then I don't need to make a new TLP draft later, but...

• Tribe Twelve: Noah manages to destroy several relationships over the course of the series; He claims at one point that everyone either hates him, or is dead. This is due to the influence Slender Man and The Collective have on his life, making him become a recluse who causes trouble to the people he hangs around, even dropping communications with his own parents in an effort to protect them.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 26th 2019 at 2:04:07 PM

Would this example from Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland qualify as the trope It Can Think? It's not clear from the description whether it's about any monster revealed to have humanlike intelligence, or if it has to be Played for Horror to qualify.

• It Can Think: In chapter 2, Lulua encounters a Broken Bridge in the form of a swarm of Puni blocking the checkpoint between Arls and Arland. Lulua makes an item that lets her talk to them, revealing that they weren't causing havoc for the hell of it, but rather organizing a peaceful protest to be recognized as equal citizens of the republic.

Does this count as a Badass Boast?

• Burnistoun: Jolly Boy John usually ends his segments, which are styled as a vlog consisting of him doing bizarre things in his bedroom, by challenging celebrities or world leaders, to be as "For Real" as him. He boasts that no one can be as For Real as Jolly Boy John.

From YMMV.Fate Grand Order

Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Scheherazade, the Arc Villain of Agartha, was intentionally written as someone with great fear of death after what she went through and was desperate to find a way to avoid it. In other times, it would've been as a sympathetic and interesting Deconstructor Fleet of Scheherazade's story. However, in process of doing that, she created a Singularity that involves brainwashing several personal Servants of the protagonist which ended up initiating extremely misogynistic actions (involving slavery and rape... majorly on male), and in the end made light of Dr. Roman/Solomon's sacrifice, erasing himself from existence to save humanity, while she attempts to do the same for her own selfish desire to cheat death. Because of this, along with Tier Induced Scrappy reasons, Scheherazade tends to draw ire by the fandom and was majorly seen as an unlikable Dirty Coward instead. Her interlude is an attempt to fix this, by having her narrate the Singularities the protagonist went through and realizing how much Dr. Roman's sacrifice meant, which allowed her to apologize for creating Agartha Singularity or belittling his memory in the first place and growing a backbone, as in readying herself to sacrifice her own life for the good cause, but there are those who still held enmity because she did those things in the first place and those couldn't be undone.

I have not finished the story, but overall in story her actions are treated as wrong. They do call her put on the whole dying part. In fact, Her mentioning of Roman does enlist anger from the heroes.

Unintentionally Unsympathetic has a dedicated clean-up. Sounds like a cut because if fails to explain why she was supposed to be sympathetic.

OvershadowedByControversy.Western Animation:

• My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
  • For many, the show as a whole has been eclipsed by the infamy of the brony fandom, especially the part of the fandom that makes explicit sexual content of the characters.

I intent to cut since none of that (infamous fans, Rule 34) is unique to the series so overly general, plus "for many" sounds like Weasel Words. Objections? (Also, sounds more like fans being overshadowed than the show.)

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 27th 2019 at 2:28:46 AM