Is this an example?

I suggested the following for a TLP called "Unofficial Wedding", but the OP suggested it might be a better fit for My Own Private "I Do". I don't disagree, but I wonder which of the sections of the trope it would fall under, the "Elope First, Plan Later" or "Miscellaneous/Other". Opinions would be appreciated. Here's what I posted, trimmed down slightly from the original entry.

• In Through Fiery Trials, the tenth book of the Safehold series, a Rescue Romance develops between Cayleb and Sharleyan's daughter, Crown Princess Alahnah, and Lywys Whytmyn, grandson of their empire's Worthy Opponent the Earl of Thirsk. Having been let in on the secret history of Safehold, and knowing that it's very possible their days are numbered, they decide to marry while they can. There are no domestic obstacles to this, as Alahnah's family approves and the situation is stable enough that there's no need for an Arranged Marriage for Alahnah. There are, however, wider political obstacles that prevent their openly having a relationship without complicating things. As a result, they settle for a private ceremony with close friends and family present, where Alahnah and Lywys are secretly married by Archbishop Maikel using a Christian ceremony rather than the Path of Inspiration the rest of Safehold follows, with every intention of making it official when they're able.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 26th 2019 at 7:47:42 AM

Hi all, I was trying to expand upon some characters in the Paranatural page and was wondering if Stephen qualifies as A Lighter Shade of Black for his fight with Ritz Price-Lee and the gang of truants. Stephen is a bully, but this has been played for comedy with his attempts being unsuccessful in obtaining information or even really hurting the target (sort of in the vein of a typical Team Rocket scheme being utterly unsuccessful). He's also expressed concern for his friend when he gets knocked out from a scooter, and has shown more comedic traits such as being a conspiracy theorist. In recent pages he's been shown to be a bit more sympathetic as he comes to the defense of a dog that Ritz kicks into a concrete pillar. In the page explaining both of their reasonings Stephen basically states that hurting animals is crossing a line, while Ritz has a more comical answer in that she's beating up the dog because it's poor. Ritz also gives off an icy one-liner right before Stephen gets ambushed by the other gang members, as she asks how many high schoolers (Stephen's a middle-schooler) he could beat up. I think Stephen is being portrayed here as a more protagonistic figure (the chapter is following him around) than Ritz, but as she's also been shown comedically I thought I might ask.

(As a more general question/ request, as I'm rather new to fetching tropes for pages, if someone who knows of some tropes that could fit Ritz's character page could send some there, that'd be great. Ritz has just been introduced into the comic, so there isn't much to go on, and I've added what I've thought of so far based off of what's seen, but it isn't much and I'd love to see what other examples there are that I'm simply unaware of.)

Unexpected Character is about, well, unexpected characters, right? The trope is misused in YMMV.Super Mario Maker 2 (where it's being misused to say that a non-character feature was added out of left field for the game). Unfortunately, I can't remove it since it would be an Edit War, so I'm posting this here for permission.

Reposting from the previous page, so it doesn't get lost:

Given how often Narm is misused on this website, could I get some clarification as to whether this example from Lethal White is being used correctly?:

• Narm: This book avoids spoiling the true identity of the previous book's killer, the Shacklewell Ripper, which is appreciated. However, a significant subplot has Robin dealing with PTSD caused by, among other things, her encounter with the Ripper, and the narration goes to sometimes comical lengths to avoid mentioning the Ripper by name, even with in-universe media directly referencing the incident.

And do the following examples from The Kid Who Would Be King have enough context?:

• Adults Are Useless: Justified in part that the supernatural elements chasing after Alex and his knights remove anyone else from the situation. When Alex's mom sees Excalibur she demands he turn it into the police, but by that time he's been convinced he is The Chosen One and refuses.
• Artistic License - Astronomy: At night we see some lovely shots of the full moon. This is all happening with in 3 days of a solar eclipse.

Yes, cut.

There was recently an kerfuffle over this under YMMV.Super Paper Mario:

• Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Despite their Anti-Villainy and eventual Atoner actions, some players still see Count Bleck and his minions (sans Dimentio) as this for being willing to invoke The End of the World as We Know It in the first place.

They were treated as villains because of this until they repented. I think this trope requires explain WHY they were supposed to be sympathetic despite they're antagonism or flaws. Cut?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 26th 2019 at 10:46:42 AM

For the Voodoo Shark page I think are example but it got taken down so I am only adding them if I get enough people that agree. This one is from Star Wars Rebels. Long story short to explain why Ezra had a green-bladed Lightsaber in season 3 after Darth Vader destroyed Ezra's original Lightsaber in the season 2 finale, Word of God said that Kyber Crystals are colorless and the blade is meant to reflect the users' personalities. There are a few a problems with this.

1. Several characters different personalities have the same colored blades. Ahsoka (Very brash and headstrong) uses green-bladed lightsabers like Yoda (The textbook example of a wise old mentor in fiction) for example. Anakin and Obi-Wan also both blue-bladed Lightsabers despite a case of Red Oni, Blue Oni respectively.

2. Several times in the films and TV Series we characters using another characters' lightsaber yet the blade does not change color. Examples include Obi-Wan using Qui-Gon's Lightsaber against Darth Maul in Episode One and it stays green. Anakin using a temporary replacement for the Battle of Geonosis in Episode Two which is green despite the fact Word of God means should be blue like his of his regular lightsaber.

3. When Anakin becomes Darth Vader in Episode Three why his Lightsaber blade not immediately turn to Red? For that matter why does it not do that any other time a fallen Jedi appears or when Ashoka was Brainwashed and Crazy during the Mortis arc of the Clone Wars?

4. What do the individual blades colors mean? Ezra at the start of season 3 was very close to becoming completely Drunk on the Dark Side. Does that mean green is the color of someone on the Start of Darkness? If so should it be worrying to anyone that the Jedi Grand Master uses a green lightsaber? Also why does Ezra's lightsaber color stay green for the rest of the series when that plot point above was resolved early in season 3?

5. Related to the above what does it say when a person wields a lightsaber or lightsabers with more than one blade color like Ki-Adi-Mundi, Agen Kolar, Pong Krell General Grevious or Darth Maul?

6. Why did they not use a the more logical explanation? Depa Billaba (Kanan's master) had a green lightsaber blade in legends. So Why don't they just say Kanan kept the Kyber Crystal from his master's lightsaber as a Tragic Keepsake and then gave ti to Ezra? It makes more sense and those above points would be moot.

That example is way too long, for one thing. Nobody will want to read it. I think that there is (or should be) a trope where a single installment of a work introduces a storytelling element that is completely incompatible with other parts of that body of canon. It's not really a Voodoo Shark, though, because it isn't trying to fix a problem with the canon, just put in something new.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 27th 2019 at 11:06:12 AM

Narm is for moments that are supposed to be serious that unintentionally end up being funny, not any random thing that's poorly executed, cut. The Adults Are Useless example doesn't say how they're useless. The Astronomy example seems fine.

Found this on YMMV.Silent Hill Revelation 3 D:

This kinda feels like someone Complaining about People Not Liking the Movie.

I don't think Cowboy BeBop at His Computer is about misinterpreting things within the narrative, it's about reports and reviews getting simple, obvious facts wrong.

I'm pretty sure this entry isn't even true, anyway, because I don't recall anything about Sharon / Heather being some "random infant" that Alessa just used as a vessel. According to the Silent Hill wiki, this is something that was in the original script, but it makes no mention of that plot point actually being in the movie. And if it is in the movie, then it's extremely easy to miss, so it still doesn't count for this trope.

Sanctuary is currently on the Works Set in World War II index, but there's only a single episode of the show that takes place then, and it's a Whole Episode Flashback, so should it really be on that index?

Edited by Primis on Feb 27th 2019 at 10:47:10 AM

I agree with your summation of the problem with that Cowboy BeBop at His Computer example. It's not the media getting something obvious wrong, and so doesn't count.

I'm not sure about that index question. Is there some minimum threshold of "set in WWII" that merits inclusion?

I wasn't sure if there was or not. The vast majority of the show takes place in the late 2000s / early 2010s, so it just seemed odd to label it a "work set in World War II".

EDIT: Took a closer look at the index and I saw that there are several shows listed that also only have one episode set during WWII, so I guess it's fine.

Edited by Primis on Feb 27th 2019 at 1:12:11 PM

Not only is it too long, I'm pretty sure it's factually incorrect. The idea is that a lightsaber crystal's color is determined when the lightsaber is created - not that it magically changes color depending on who's using it at the time.

Can a PSA count as a Very Special Episode if it features well-known brands and/or characters?

I think it has to be an actual regular-length episode that's aired in its regular timeslot to qualify.

Would this count as Unintentionally Sympathetic for Arthur.

• Arthur getting hit by Binky. Its treated as a deserving Karma payback for Arthur hitting D.W. with even his own father more or less telling him that. However, fan believe Arthur didn't deserve it because he doesn't actually do anything to Binky to warrant the hit in the first place.

Edited by WhirlRX on Feb 27th 2019 at 10:02:58 AM

That trope is YMMV; go ahead and put it up on the appropriate page.

Edited by SomePerson on Feb 27th 2019 at 8:56:34 AM

YMMV.The Jungle Book lists King Louie as a One-Scene Wonder. His appearance is more of a section of the film than a single scene. This trope is often used for characters that have a similar amount of screen time, so I wanted to verify that they need less of it before removing them.

I have a quick question regarding the Fairy Tail anime series. While we all know Acnologia is the Final Boss of the entire series, would this trope apply to Sting and Rogue (for the 2009 anime) as well as Mard Geer Tartaros (for the 2014 anime)?

Edited by gjjones on Feb 27th 2019 at 1:20:29 PM

Given that Final Boss explicitly defines itself as a video game trope, I don't think any of them are examples.

You might be thinking of Big Bad. From there it depends on if the characters named are both primary antagonist and the direct cause of the problems being faces.

• Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption 2 although he could be considered more of a Hunk is considered a "pretty boy", especially if you have him clean-shaven and keep his appearance well-groomed.

Is this accurate? It's an edit on Pretty Boy, and the editor appears to have some issues.

Anyone familiar with the game? I googled the character's pictures and he doesn't seem that pretty, to be honest.

The artwork on the character page certainly doesn't support the idea that he's a Pretty Boy. I haven't played or watched LPs of the game, so I can't confirm or deny the opinion. If the troper in question seems like they're editing with one hand (if you know what I mean), it should be cut and they should be warned.

Anyway, the trope requires more than just raw appearance; it also needs to be an aspect of their characterization.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 28th 2019 at 2:15:32 PM

Thank you.

I actually saw a video of the character (it came up in TLP of The Suffragette) and he seems like a tough, gruff guy.

I'm gonna delete the example. I'll move it to the discussion page of the trope in case someone would like to challenge the removal.

Re: My Own Private "I Do" as asked here.

I should probably mention that I'm the aforementioned OP who suggested this trope in TLP.

Second opinion would be welcome, since I'm not familiar with the work.

If the example fits the trope, it would definitely fall in "miscellaneous" cases, because the lovers don't elope and have approval of their family. However, it fits the concept of a small and intimate but perfectly legal wedding.

Ok Wookieepedia does say Kyber Crystals don't change color as I thought but still the points about characters having different personalities using the same colored lightsabers and the implications based on the green blade and Ezra's precarious situation at the time still stands. And it raises the question about the Death Star's Kyber Crystal powered superlaser and how it is green if the crystals are supposed to be colorless.

Edited by Emberfist on Feb 28th 2019 at 4:54:20 AM

The Silent Hill Revaltions 3 D example is actually a case of Common Knowledge where the fans or general public think something a certain way when it didn't sometimes it even happens if the person in question has seen the work it should go there.

Edited by Emberfist on Feb 28th 2019 at 4:59:09 AM

It really isn't, though. There's at best a single line that implies Sharon is a separate being from Alessa, which is itself just a remnant of an unfilmed scene in the script. Every other relevant line of dialogue in the movie goes with the idea that Sharon is a Literal Split Personality of Alessa, which is an idea that was established in the first film, which Revelation is (supposed to be) a sequel to.

This is not just people assuming things, the movie actively supports the idea that the two are the same. There's even a scene towards the end where the two merge, which makes absolutely no sense if the two are meant to be two separate people.

In any case, it seems like a Distinction Without a Difference. Even if Sharon technically has different DNA from Alessa, she is still, for all intents and purposes, a duplicate of Alessa, which is what makes it weird.

Edited by Primis on Mar 1st 2019 at 8:19:21 AM