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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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I'd rewrite it to something like
- Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros.": This game marked Lucas' international debut due to Mother 3 infamously receiving no official release outside of Japan, with his arrival bringing with him several instances of Late-Arrival Spoiler.
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On the character page for Star Wars - Sabine Wren, I added an entry for her being a Womanchild, due to the fact that she still seems mentally stuck as a teenager from Star Wars Rebels due to the events of the show traumatizing her. It was deleted a few minutes later, saying that she doesn't apply because she's depressed and doesn't rely on others.
Maybe I'm seeing this wrong, but I don't think this reason discounts the example. The trope itself is defined as simply being about an adult who acts childishly, and doesn't necessarily need to have a parental figure to look after them for the character in question to apply for the trope. Furthermore, I was under the impression that some people become manchildren because of poor/traumatic upbringings causing them to never properly mature, even in their adult years.
With that in mind, I thought Sabine counts for this trope in Ahsoka, due to her being in her early 30s, yet shirks responsibility in attending a ceremony in her name and her need to see Ezra again clouding her decision-making skills. Which I suspected was because the events of Star Wars Rebels have screwed her up so much that she still acts as she did as a teenager as a coping mechanism.
Could I get some other opinions on this though?
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Re: ~Forgo Light and Camila: I felt the rainbow pin was allyship but the "Yesterday's Lie" bi one is a good point, though one could argue it was for Vee!Luz, and that actual Luz came out later. One could argue she bought the book specifically to raise a queer child in today's climate, which is something even a bi woman may need help learning to do (it is implied that Camila repressed many things she has in common with Luz, so her being bi but closeted outside her own home could definitely add to that plot, but there's no telling if that's canon).
IDK if an Easter Egg is enough to prove anything, but I guess that's why it's ambiguously bi, huh?
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Yeah, all of that was my reasoning as well. It's why I was confused by the "obviously straight ally" when again, she wasn't obviously anything, hence the ambiguity. It would be one thing if they got rid of something that firmly declared her to be queer instead of merely opening up the possibility, but they went with the opposite absolute which I particularly disagree with. You think I should re add it?
While I don't think Camilla is bi, and most of the entry seems like a misinterpretation and too much meta-analysis of of allyship behavior, I do think the pride pin is a point worth noting that could justify the entry.
A question the "other Darrin" applies if an animated medium turned in Live Action.?
From Trivia/Ahsoka
"* The Other Darrin: The trailer shows that several characters from Star Wars Rebels and Star Wars: The Clone Wars are appearing in this show, and are being portrayed by physical actors different from their original voice actors.
- Natasha Liu Bordizzo plays Sabine Wren rather than Tiya Sircar.
- Mary Elizabeth Winstead plays Hera Syndulla instead of Vanessa Marshall.
- Eman Esfandi takes over the role of Ezra Bridger from Taylor Gray.
- Temuera Morrison (who had previously played Commander Cody and the other clones, along with their progenitor Jango Fett, in the Prequel Trilogy and Obi-Wan Kenobi) plays Captain Rex in lieu of Dee Bradley Baker."
It has always seemed to me that it only qualifies, if the animated character was an example of Ink-Suit Actor.
he/him
The trope intro uses animated works like King of the Hill and The Simpsons as examples, and if it applies to voice actors in that context, I'd imagine it counts for the change in medium too?
Those are voice actor to different voice actor examples, however.
I kinda don't like it since voice acting does not often take physical appearance into account the same way a screen casting call would, so I think a Role Reprise is more notable in that context than the opposite. I think Role Reprise already explicitly allows such examples, so The Other Darrin would just be listing cases where it didn't apply.
Braids From S286 Not Included
Actor Allusion or Actor-Shared Background are about the work referencing the past of the *current cast*. So it would only apply if her original VA was involved in Rides Again, either voicing the character or one of her moms. Otherwise it's "three gay women happen to exist related to this show".
I think I've heard junjun as slang for penis, but it's not really widespread (think of it like how in English it's sometimes "junior" or "little [name]"). It's much more common as a nickname for names derived from John, and people nicknamed thusly don't tend to get dick jokes thrown their way, so wouldn't be opposed to removing it for being way too niche.
Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 6th 2023 at 4:20:03 AM
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=1171#comment-29252
Where was it stated Sabine was in her 30s? Based on my understanding of the timeline she’d at most be 28 and that’s the highest estimate.
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I was told by a fan IRL who knows a lot about Star Wars that Sabine was in her early thirties at this point.
If she's not though, then maybe it's best to disregard my post, if late twenties is still considered to be a younger age.
Regarding The Other Darrin question, I would like to note that there's a subsection on the main page that shows when actors replace other actors across mediums, and some examples include from live-action movies to animated TV shows. So with that in mind, I don't see why the examples for Ahsoka would be invalid.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Sep 6th 2023 at 4:02:46 AM
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Is a Continuity Nod still a Continuity Nod if it's to something non-narrative, or if it's not a character referring to the past but more just "hey, they said The Line"?
A specific example from Terra Incognita, an Undertale fanfic: Frisk calls their friends (who were waiting outside) into a room with, "Bring it in, guys!"—which is also the name of the song that plays over the "Where Are They Now?" portion of the Pacifist Ending credits. (And Terra Incognita literally includes the scenes shown there.)
If it weren't supposed to be part of the same continuity, this'd just be a Shout-Out. note Call-Back says that a narratively unimportant Shout-Out to a predecessor within the same continuity is a Continuity Nod, but that's supposed to be a character referring to a past event. Frisk isn't referring to a past event, it's just the author making A Reference.
Maybe this is Not a Trope at all, but I'm pretty sure Terra Incognita isn't the only fanfic that does this. hedging If memory serves, Homestuck also does a lot of this to itself, but reading the trope entries for it gave me an incorrect impression of what a Call-Back was, so it isn't much help with figuring out what trope to use.
In regards to the Marth Debuted in "Smash Bros." for Mother 3, while I do see a good rewrite, I was more asking if it qualified for the page as it was talking about the trope for a different work, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, especially since the latter page already has an example in regards to the former.
looking deeper into it it seems Sabine would be in the age range of 29-30 I could see that being Manchild if worded a bit better
I’d say the trope focuses specificity on characters but I’d still use a less complainy reqrite
Alright, I'll rewrite it for now so it's not so complainy.
I think the second and third are a stretch. Dog Named Dog is maybe okay, but none of them sound like animals.
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It feels safe to say that Do Not Spoil This Ending can apply to aspects other than endings, right? I just attended a show that kept an entire credit out of the playbill and had a sign out by the exit warning patrons not to reveal the twist existed on social media despite it coming up like ten minutes into the show.
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This was added to Longest Song Goes First a few days ago:
- King Crimson: Islands begins with the 10-minute "Formentera Lady"note
I was under the impression that Longest Song Goes First (and by extension, Longest Song Goes Last) would include that Hidden Track and minute of silence as part of the song that they're attached to, given that they're all indexed on the album as a single track. With that in mind, would this example not count or are technicalities like this permitted? Be kind.
In short, can absent of mechanic count as Scrappy Mechanic?
Are aversions of Adults Are Useless meaningful? Since I'm seeing them in works that use Kid Hero?
And Gladstone's School for World Conquerors:
- No Hugging, No Kissing: Averted. These are maturing preteens after all.
- Totally Radical: Thankfully averted. The students talk like normal preteens with only occasional use of words like 'epic.'
Edited by Malady on Sep 7th 2023 at 7:10:24 AM
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The No Hugging, No Kissing example is zero-context anyway.
Sounds flexible enough to count.
If a technicality is enough to qualify/disqualify a trope, I would consider that a weak example of both Longest Song Goes First and Longest Song Goes Last.
Looks more like a They Changed It, Now It Sucks!-looking thing than Scrappy Mechanic, since there is no mechanic
Those aren't even notable aversions. You can note Averted Trope in the deletion reason (the second is also word crufty — 3rd line from the bottom).
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Hmm, guess in that case I can adjust the writeup to make the technicality clearer, e.g. "Discounting the Hidden Track at the end of the Title Track..."
