Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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Common problems include:
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
The Enforcer
Mindlink Mates is impossible in real life at the moment; Psychic Powers and mental links aren't real.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Well, at least as far as science can prove. But the examples are all sort of misuse anyway.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
I have taken another look at all the folders other than the Other folder in The New Rock & Roll and I have found plenty of general examples, ROCEJ violations, and snarky complaining.
From the Anime folder for example:
- Let's not forget the non-Japanese attitude towards anime. When anime started becoming popular in places like the US, a few people attacked it for being violent and inappropriate (leading to a trope summarizing this misconception). Some people even claimed that children's anime like Pokémon was the work of Japanese Satanists. This can mostly be based on not doing the research, though. (It doesn't help that the Animation Age Ghetto was definitely prevalent during times like this.) Much of this notion has slowly waned over time as anime and manga have been normalized into niche western circles, but still can be seen as a questionable activity. Because of the unfortunate implications of terms like "lolicon" and the focus on sexual humor (a taboo subject in many western countries, especially America), not to mention the plethora of anime focused on young adults in high school, perceptions by the public have remained "questionable" at best despite the readily available outlets that now carry translated manga in major bookstores or DVD's and Blu-Ray collections of anime in many video stores. This has led to certain normalized insults such as "weaboo", which are often used as a badge of acceptance between other western anime lovers to denote their acceptance of their hobby, but as a derogatory insult by those outside these circles as an alternative to the term "Japanophile" or "Otaku", both of which are rarely used in a positive light.
- Let's not forget the non-Japanese attitude towards anime. When anime started becoming popular in places like the US, a few people attacked it for being violent and inappropriate (leading to a trope summarizing this misconception). Some people even claimed that children's anime like Pokémon was the work of Japanese Satanists. This can mostly be based on not doing the research, though. (It doesn't help that the Animation Age Ghetto was definitely prevalent during times like this.) Much of this notion has slowly waned over time as anime and manga have been normalized into niche western circles, but still can be seen as a questionable activity. Because of the unfortunate implications of terms like "lolicon" and the focus on sexual humor (a taboo subject in many western countries, especially America), not to mention the plethora of anime focused on young adults in high school, perceptions by the public have remained "questionable" at best despite the readily available outlets that now carry translated manga in major bookstores or DVD's and Blu-Ray collections of anime in many video stores. This has led to certain normalized insults such as "weaboo", which are often used as a badge of acceptance between other western anime lovers to denote their acceptance of their hobby, but as a derogatory insult by those outside these circles as an alternative to the term "Japanophile
I recommend making The New Rock & Roll IUEO.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jul 13th 2023 at 10:06:44 AM
Kirby is awesome.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I brought Fold-Spindle Mutilation and Dead Man's Chest here, rather than at NREP, because all the examples listed are either from around the last 50 years.
I wasn't sure if it's accepted to put a 150 years limit when there aren't examples listed that old, but if it is more appropriate I will move it there.
he/him
Already posted there.
It's the same approach used for other death tropes such as Murder by Cremation, and it cleared out the RL examples for some of them. We'll just comment out the empty RL folder if nothing's left behind.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 14th 2023 at 8:24:50 PM
Adora, the High Priestess
The Ophelia: It seems to reek of characterization and gossip.
"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."
Yeah, also sounds like Characterization.
Smoking Is Cool and Smoking Is Not Cool both sound like Too Controversial, Too Common, and probably Narrative as well.
Edited by MissConduct on Jul 14th 2023 at 8:57:29 AM
Dead Guy Junior seems like it’s Too Common.
The Enforcer
Not Using the "Z" Word is a trope about supernatural beings and also narrative (a work doesn't use the standard term for a folklore-inspired monster to be more "realistic"), making it impossible in real life and the current examples misuse.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
How sweet it is
Prefers Going Barefoot (formerly Does Not Like Shoes, though move hasn't been finalized) is attracting gossip for barefoot preference, or just going barefoot period.
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Hollywood Drowning is impossible in real life. The RL examples are dedicated to explaining how drowning works irl, which feels like a misuse. I was thinking that maybe they should be cut and moved to an analysis page.
Edited by UchuuFlamenco on Jul 15th 2023 at 9:54:12 AM
Re: Dead Guy Junior, it's also a prime example of what I would consider Characterization - in fiction, there's often narrative significance to the ties between the "Dead Guy" and the "Junior", and often there's some grander connection between them - in the real world there's no grander significance to someone named after a dead relative/friend/whatever, and the "Junior" often grows up to be nothing like the "Dead Guy".
Re: Not Using the "Z" Word, it might also be Too Controversial? Definitely Impossible (there might be other tropes that fit some of the examples better, like Disney Owns This Trope for the "superheroes" example).
Re: Does Not Like Shoes / Prefers Going Barefoot, hate to bring this trope up for, like, the third time, but if I Kiss Your Foot is NRLEP for vaguely being aligned with the interests of people with a foot fetish, then this supertrope that makes up essentially the core of foot fetishism should be NRLEP too. It's also probably Characterization.
Re: Hollywood Drowning, since it's a potentially life-threatening situation, I would probably say we shouldn't be talking about it. It reminds me a little of what got the Useful Notes Suicide Prevention page PRLC'd - we, uncertified non-experts, should not be teaching people how to save lives because if our teachings don't work a real person could die and TV Tropes could get sued.
Edited by MissConduct on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:22:43 AM
^ Maybe then cut the Hollywood Drowning RL examples and, instead of moving them to another page, just add one link to a reputable source about how to recognize drowning to the page description?
Edited by MonaNaito on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:38:21 AM
(she/her)
Invisible to Adults just reached the 2:00 mark not too long ago so I think we should a few days per crowner description. Calling everything else for NRLEP.
Macron's notes
The Enforcer
Added some explanations to tropes that lacked them on the morality sandbox, mostly in the vein of pointing out tropes that are also stereotypes, characterization, or impossible in real life. I'm not sure how many more of them need explanations, since a lot of them are pretty self-explanatory IMO from their titles alone and I don't think we need to repeat "calling people jerks or villains is a bad idea" in the notes for literally all of them. I also fixed all the note formatting and wicked some trope titles that weren't.
Also, I think we should link the other sandboxes in the current sandboxes and possibly in the commented-out administrative bits at the top of the main NRLEP index pages. Right now they're rather hard to find and it'd be nice to have them all in one place when folks are looking for them.
Edited by NonexistentYeets on Jul 16th 2023 at 6:06:02 AM
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
The Enforcer
Discriminate and Switch is a trope about discrimination, making it inherently controversial. While the whole point of the trope is that it's avoiding the most ROCEJ-violating of prejudices, talking about real people's hatred of left-handed folks, lawyers, etc. or jokes about said still seems questionable.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
I fix my examples all the time
Vanity Is Feminine falls into Stereotype.
Graffiti Wall
he/him
Microwave the Dog allows RL, and does actually have a RL example.
Feels like a strong candidate for NRLEP, unless there's already been a decision to keep?
The Enforcer
We Hardly Knew Ye is a narrative trope. Real people don't get killed by the writers as soon as they're "introduced" to the show; they have lives outside of what's "onscreen".
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
You can see if there was already a decision to keep if it's listed on Keep Real Life Examples, but I checked it myself and it's not on there.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 17th 2023 at 6:15:46 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Even some tropes that were formerly on KRLE were later made NRLEP.
Moral Guardians being one of the more recent cases.
Kirby is awesome.
Don't have any arguments against any of the recent suggestions.
(she/her)
Calling Invisible to Adults for Keep Real Life Examples. I already added the trope to that index. I am going to swap in a new crowner shortly.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 18th 2023 at 10:18:33 AM
Macron's notes
Crowner is filled and hollered.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Re: Misery Poker, it did have these RL examples:
I do think, on principle, this trope is Too Controversial (see the social justice one), we'll see if bad examples come back.