The Grand Unified Appearance Trope Clean-up:

You have my vote as well; chop it!

take it to the cutlist

Alright, I'll begin dewicking Red Headed Bully.

EDIT: Done, except for a wick on No Real Life Examples, Please! that I've submitted to the Locked Pages thread.

edited 30th Jun '16 6:58:50 AM by Morgenthaler

That wick's culled.

And submitted to the Cut List.

Redheaded Bully has now been cut.

Next up is Redheaded Hero, another "common hair color" trope that was mentioned in passing in the TRS thread for Blond Guys Are Evil. The examples on the page are relatively ok (though there are plenty of ZCEs even there), but across the wiki especially it appears to be mostly used without any meaning attached to it. Additionally, no distinction is made between a] natural redheads b] people with red dye-jobs c] You Gotta Have Blue Hair (which seems to include the page image)

Here are the results of a wick check, examples picked at random:

50 out of 1983 wicks

Correct usage (4)

• Final Fantasy XIII
• Game Of Touhou The Vale
• HERZ
• Vault Hunters Wanted Vault Hunters

Misuse (3)

• Dragon Age: Origins – Playable Characters – The Companions (says that it's really an example of Fiery Redhead—which could overlap, but there is no context for this trope)
• EvilFTW (shoehorned into an entry of Heroes Want Redheads with "this could be an example" Word Cruft)
• Genesis of Aquarion (sinkholed together with Dark Skinned Redhead)

Zero context (28)

• A Game of Gods: Ex-Champions
• Always Remember Me
• A Song of Ice and Fire - Brotherhood Without Banners
• Batman: Supporting Cast
• Big Brother 15 Winner
• Blood Revolution Kenshingumi
• Brain Dead 13
• Chalion
• 8-Bit Theater
• Ephemeral Prince
• Freedom City Play By Post GHI
• G.I. Joe
• Hack/Slash
• Head Trip
• Jane and the Dragon
• Les Revenants
• Marvel Avengers Alliance Heroes Tacticians And Blasters
• Miserere
• Mugen Souls
• Outlander
• Phineas and Ferb: Main Characters
• Princess Tutu
• Rusty Hearts
• Scion
• Sinister Dexter
• The Dragonslayers
• The Selection
• The Young Protectors

Insufficient context (only mentions heroism, or only mentions red hair) (15)

• Adventure Time: Secondary
• Atlas Shrugged
• D.N.Angel
• Fatal Frame
• Fate/Zero: Humans
• Indigo
• Josie And The Pussy Cats
• Neptunia
• Paranatural
• Phineas and Ferb: Main Characters
• Red Hood and the Outlaws
• SPAZ
• Tamrielic Adventures
• Trustfell
• Wheel Squad

Results: Based on 50 consulted wicks, there is 8% correct usage.

edited 1st Jul '16 4:42:55 AM by Morgenthaler

Considering how often this comes up in discussions, especially in anime and Japanese video game threads, the amount of ZC Es there is shocking.

Its a really common thing for a Red-Headed Hero / Red-Headed Heroine / Pink Haired Heroine since red is the heroic color and the fact that the heroine is often Tsundere thus a fiery personality to match the hair.

I really don't think that one should be cut outright. Looking at a few wicks I know, it's definitely misunderstood to be any member of the good guys instead of the main Hero and/or main Heroine, or at least be in your face about the hero aspect.

edited 1st Jul '16 8:47:42 AM by Memers

in that case it's essentially Red Is Heroic but applied to hair color.

I'm on the fence as to whether that deserves its own subtrope. Especially if no one calls attention to the hair color in universe.

It is a subtrope of Red Is Heroic but also Pink Is Girly Heroic and Tsundere Fiery Red Head tend to be the heroine as Japan eats that up.

Some works do call it out. Such as Neptunia makes a joke with The Meta Guy Neptunia calling the character Falcom 'you are an 'I'm going on an adventure' looking girl with that outfit and the red hair' and such.

Unfortunately that example is confined to the character page. On the main page it just lists the party members with red hair including a character based off the company RED Entertainment who is named RED, wears red and has red hair... Not an example IMO.

Edit: we might be able to chop it if we adjust Red Is Heroic a bit and add Pink Is Girly Heroic as a redirect or another trope. Heroes Want Redheads could go too.

edited 1st Jul '16 10:47:45 AM by Memers

We have Pink Heroine already as a main character's color counterpart to Red Is Heroic and Blue Is Heroic.

And Rose-Haired Sweetie which is the hair personality counterpart to Fiery Red Head and Shy Blue-Haired Girl / You Gotta Have Blue Hair.

Edit: I also feel like Red-Headed Hero is nullified by Evil Redhead. There are so many red head tropes that its sort of just, Red is an important color (Chromatic Superiority) so if you have red hair you probably have a distinct personality. Aggressive, heroic, evil, Red headed bully, Red Headed Step Child which is a same but more specific of Redheads Are Uncool, and Redheads are desirable via Heroes Want Redheads. But having a trope for each of those seems unnecessary.

I think Fiery Red Head is certainly a thing, as is Redheads Are Uncool since those are personalities or related to character interactions that move the story along, but the others are just roles in a cast. Maybe lump the rest into something like Red Hair Stands Out, or Unmistakable Red Head.

edited 1st Jul '16 1:33:01 PM by acrobox

Wow, I had no idea we had so many "Red hair+trait" tropes, and there's still more like Significant Green Eyed Red Head. We either need to cut them or lump; we can't leave the situation like this. Red-Headed Hero is a good place to start.

I'd say you could easily make a lumped trope that's basically

"Red hair is uncommon in real life. When you see a character with red hair usually means the creators wanted them to have a distinct appearance, so you can expect them to have a distinct role in the plot. And the three most distinct roles in any plot are the main hero, the major foil/antagonist, and the love interest." and then redirect at least Red-Headed Hero, Evil Red Head and Heroes Want Redheads there.

edited 1st Jul '16 8:01:40 PM by acrobox

I have to say, I'm not seeing a real argument being advanced for merging other than everyone being on one side of the Lumper Vs Splitter dichotomy (which I tend to be on as well, but it's not an unambiguous issue like the way some other appearance tropes have been).

edited 1st Jul '16 8:05:54 PM by nrjxll

Ahh Pink Heroine exists now, that must be new. It seems way too limited to strict magical girl though and not the non-standard stuff like To Love RU's lead girl Lala which has everything a magical girl has but as a Magical Girlfriend or Is This A Zombie's uhh this◊.

EDIT: As well as missing the Supporting Heroine types like Lacus Clyne, which actually match the Japanese definition of 'heroine' which is the gender neutral significant other who is partnered in the plot.

edited 1st Jul '16 9:29:08 PM by Memers

well lets at least tackle red hair for now before getting into pink tropes to keep things focused.

I don't think it's a good idea to just mash all red hair tropes together. There is redundancy and misuse here, but there are a bunch of unique ones among them. My thoughts:

• Red-Headed Hero: Far too much misuse to salvage (again, less than 10% correct use when the threshold we voted on was less than 50%). I'm up for tweaking the definition of Red Is Heroic to mention red hair (if it doesn't already), but we're better off just cutting this one.
• Fiery Redhead: Unless someone establishes a massive misuse problem, I think this is a healthy trope for now.
• Significant Green-Eyed Redhead: Will need to do a wick check first, so no opinion at the moment.
• Redhead In Green: Same as above.
• Heroes Want Redheads: "Redheads are desirable" looks tropeworthy (just like Everyone Loves Blondes), so definitely no change unless someone can establish misuse.
• Redheaded Step Child, Evil Redhead, Redheads Are Uncool: I do think these three are a problem in terms of redundancy. There is definitely a trope for the old stigma of redheadedness being a sign of someone being evil or shifty (compare A Sinister Clue when it comes to lefthandedness), but I think these three tropes are differences of degree rather than kind.

edited 2nd Jul '16 6:45:25 AM by Morgenthaler

I would say at least Red Headed Step Child and Red Heads Are Uncool should be merged. The main distinction is whether or not the uncool/stigmatized red head lives in the same house with everyone.

Evil Red Head is at least slightly different in kind, since the above two are usually sympathetic underdogs rather than outright antagonists.

edited 2nd Jul '16 10:32:15 AM by acrobox

I don't know about Heroes Want Redheads. So many examples on the page are just "X hooks up with Y". If that's all there is to say then it's tropeworthiness seems suspect to me.

I still don't get Significant Green-Eyed Redhead. Red-Headed Hero might just be an anime thing because 'hero' should be more specific than main character. Heroes Want Redheads sounds good if he is heroic or there is significance put on her hair color.

Soo, I made a ykttw for High Class Finery in order to gather examples

Seeing as Red-Headed Hero does have 3000 inbounds, how about redirecting it to Red Is Heroic instead of cutting it completely after purging the wicks?

I like that idea.

Thank you. Hopefully we'll get enough to launch it soon.

Thirding with making Red-Headed Hero a Redirect

Yeah, but the description will need to be adjusted a bit as it talks solely about wearing red.

it implies the rest. I'm going to go ahead and add a line that mentions hair color.