This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. Just for Fun and silly guesses go on the silly page. If a WMG is Jossed, please move it to the jossed page, if it is Confirmed, please move it to the confirmed page.
Please add new entries to the bottom of the page.
- This would be such a cool twist.
- Actually, that would be like castrating the fans and giving them a big "fuck you."
- Assuming that Karin isn't dead.
- Or that Karin truly resents Sasuke enough to want to kill him.
- Karin isn't dead, and has given up on Sasuke. It's unclear whether she would go so far as to try to kill him, though. And even if this would be the case, it's highly unlikely, that she will be let out of jail soon enough to try to kick Sasuke's ass.
- She probably will get out. She has a key to get out and hid it from the interrogators.
- Karin broke out, met up with Sasuke,Orochimaru,Jugo,Suigetsu,and the Edo Hokages. She was really mad at Sasuke leaving her to die,and did seem to want to kick his ass, but easily forgave him after he gave her a half-assed sincere apology,quickly resuming to swoon back over him.
- Or that Karin truly resents Sasuke enough to want to kill him.
- I don't know what manga you're reading, but Danzo's involvement in Nagato's life is basically limited to standing there and watching when Hanzo attacked Nagato. He didn't ruin Nagato's life any more than he ruined *random character* Rock Lee's life.
- He brought in some of his men, which might have helped in capturing Konan.
- Key word "might" There's nothing to suggest they did more than Danzo did.
- Nagato's back story could have worked without Danzo. Bringing Root into it was just a way to establish that Nagato hates the Leaf Village, and reinforce that the Leaf Village has a darker side to it. Honestly, if Nagato hadn't mentioned Danzo at all, I wouldn't have noticed Root's involvement.
- Half right. Danzo was involved to prepare to set up Akatsuki, but Tobi decided to screw over any chance Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan had to finding out about Danzo's involvement.
- No no no! It'll be a mentor! I mean, creepy face thing? Definite mentor qualifications. All it needs is, quote unquote, "five teenagers with attitude" and... They'll be Sentai!
- Or maybe it'll be a Deku Tree?
- Nah. You can't have an Orange Ranger if it turns into a Deku tree...
- Or maybe it'll be a Deku Tree?
- However, if you look on the last page of chapter 481, you'll see the tree isn't there at all. Probably because jutsu have No Ontological Inertia and Danzo died. Or maybe it left on its own.
- Tree is at the far end of the bridge. You can see the roots by the pillars.
- Those aren't roots, they're cracks in the ground. You can see on this page that the tree was sticking out partially in front of the pillars, so it should have been visible from the other two pages (especially since the pillars in front has a huge gap in it).
- Tree's back in the latest issue!
- Tree is at the far end of the bridge. You can see the roots by the pillars.
- Yeah, overbearing like his mother. And Hinata? Something more earth shattering than the Pain invasion would have to happen to set that in motion. Besides, Shikamaru is so lazy that he would never actually make a move on a woman anyway. He needs a girl who will make the first move.
- I've read some fanfics with this as a running subplot. It kinda makes sense...
The Moon's Eye Plan is not Madara's plan, it is the history of what happened to the Naruto universe. Madara only told the Kages about his plan in hopes that one of them, or anybody in the ninja world for that matter, would realize that their lives are already in its grip. Naturally this has some pitfalls, such as
1.) How is Madara not affected by the MEP?2.) Why were the Uchihas assassinated if this is the case?3.) How can any actions taken by Madara in the series be explained under this system?
I'll continue this later on.
Now that it's been revealed that Tobi is Obito I can answer this.
1.) Because he's casting the jutsu, he will remain unaffected by it and have control over it.2.) So he could convince people that he's really Madara, who hates the Uchiha3.) Because he no longer cares about the world, and wants to start a new one using the MEP.
- This fits with another WMG that Karin was brain washed to try and get pregnant from Sasuke. Orochimaru could have had a lot of others waiting at other bases to try and win over Sasuke.
- Does that mean that Orochimaru was Shipping them? Ew.
Stemming from the above, the Sage of the Six Paths always knew that either of his disciples and/or descendants could get the absolutely horrible idea of bringing back the Juubi, so he decides to have a unrelated third party have sole control of anything in regards to the moon: power over it, access to it, and such. The Byakugan is merely proof of that connection.
Furthermore, it can explain the whole "Stop Having Fun" Guys bit most Hyuuga have, as well as the Caged Bird Seal: The Hyuuga would be too proud to use the Juubi in any manner(If they ever knew of it in the first place), and any Hyuuga who thought otherwise would have their brains and eyes turned to mush. It could also explain Hinata's possible immunity to Bijuu chakra from Naruto's last Unstoppable Rage due to her Bijuu-containing moon mojo, but that's pushing it, I think.
- Which would also explain the genjutsu canceling powers of the Byakugan. A possible upgrade would be the power to disable all genjutsu within range of the Byakugan's sphere of vision, which can be over half a mile at least.
- The blind spot also makes sense, too. Yes, the eye has a anatomic blind spot where the optic nerve connects, but think about this: the moon is always in the sky, able to "see" everything as it passes around the globe. But there is also a dark side of the moon that results in the New Moon, when it disappears from the sky.
- Could the dark side of the moon be the Jubi? And the bright side represent the benevolent light of the Sage?
- Maybe Ten-tails destroyed the previous moon and this was a replacement! There would be cataclysmic effects without a moon, and the moon was created long before mankind came to inhabit the Earth.
- The blind spot also makes sense, too. Yes, the eye has a anatomic blind spot where the optic nerve connects, but think about this: the moon is always in the sky, able to "see" everything as it passes around the globe. But there is also a dark side of the moon that results in the New Moon, when it disappears from the sky.
The teacher lost. Every one of them.
It seems like a pattern, and so I thought I'd put it out there...
- Of course, Kakashi has been repeatedly shown to be made of Awesomeness. He already survived one fight against Sasuke, he should be fine.
- It's possible that Sasuke will fight against Kakashi until the two of them are nearly exhausted, and then escape, but Kakashi will realize that Sasuke wasn't at his full power. Kakashi and Yamato will then give up on Sasuke, leaving Naruto the only person who's willing to bring him back, and leading to their final showdown in the third invasion of Konoha or in another place.
- Didn't Kakashi already die in the Pain Arc?
- No, he was brought back to life, along with the rest of Konoha.
- No fewer than five people have thrown themselves in front of Kakashi's Chidori/Raikiri: Haku, Rin, the anime-only Gozu, Pain's Asura Path, and Haku again. Combined with his assertions that all that remains for him is to protect Naruto and with the rather grim turn his life has taken, well, I fear he may be getting ideas.
- Or subdue him. Killing him will shake the characters up too badly.
- In the recent chapter, Karin was seen wielding the infamous Uzumaki Chakra Chains with style and flair. Though that kinda was an 11th-Hour Superpower, still was pretty awesome.
- Seeing how unpredictability is how Naruto wins all his fights, and seeing how deceiving the opponent is the number one method for winning in Shinobi vs Non-Mook Shinobi fights (The Mooks are just overpowered and owned, splat, but not to the degree Luffy does it), you're probably right. Not sure this qualifies as a theory, though.
Kishimoto's plan is for everyone except Naruto, including the audience, to give up on Sasuke. At that point, Naruto's faith will save the day, Sasuke will turn out to be basically good once freed from Madara's eye techniques, and we will all learn a lesson about believing in your friends. Unfortunately, a large segment of the fanbase refuses to give up on Sasuke, so Kishimoto is forced to keep upping the ante.
- If this is true, than it WILL backfire, as at this point, a large segment will be pissed if that evil son of a bitch gets "redeemed".
- I don't really see much that Sasuke has done which is truly beyond redemption. Now, his stated goals are pretty bad and I'll admit, putting that blade through Karin to get at Danzo was pretty evil, but other than that he's done what? He kicked Naruto's ass, then time skip, then kicked Naruto's ass again, and then he's killed Danzo while potentially being misled by Madara. Really, all he's done is demonstrate a willingness to abandon his teammates plus the Karin thing, which, while reprehensible, doesn't quite put him into the realm of being completely gone. I don't think Sasuke's going to go this route since he's probably going to be crossing the Moral Event Horizon soon, but I don't think he's there yet.
- Oh, sure you can join my Team Evil, Sakura. Now, just to make sure you're evil enough to be my medic, kill the othe- BACKSTAB! (Cares for nobody but himself and his revenge)
- You Have Failed Me for the last time. Now die. [applied to his entire base, not just teammates who disagreed but allies who would do anything for him] (Not even the people loyal to him matter, even if their continued living would be kinda useful with regards to the whole completing his revenge thing. Both irrational and supervillianesque. To abandon one's comrades because of philosophical reasons is horrible, but forgivable. To abandon them because their death is more convenient at the moment than life is utterly unforgivable)
- Hahahahahahahahahaha! (off the deep end entirely. Once somebody does this, the only forgiveness that is any kind of believable is life in prison or the electric chair)
- A small group of spymasters in Konoha went too far in quashing a rebellion. The entire city must perish in flames. (further evidence of his mental and emotional disconnect from others He shows every sign of psychopathy, not being able to empathize with others, as well as the evil madness necessary to make having the many die for the sins of the few believable. If he was at all redeemable, he would at least consider ceasing now that Danzo was dead. It didn't even so much as occur to the bastard).
- The thing is, all of these are so laughably puppy kickingly evil that it's impossible to take the seriously. Sasuke is messed up in the head. He's not a tragic figure, or an evil figure, or even a sick puppy. He's turned into a flanderized version of himself. It's not a 'Fallen/Redeemed Hero' Paradigm anymore. He's just manipulation-bait. Even if Naruto manages to flip him again, it'll really just be more 'Sasuke gets manipulated to do things, just by the goodguys this time'. I'm sure he'll end up a minion for whoever replaces Madara as the evil figure in the inevitable continuation. And then by the next Big Bad. And the next. He's the Knuckles of Naruto.
- Knuckles was a Well-Intentioned Extremist when he was manipulated. The fact that Sasuke has displayed insane evil laughter and had a You Have Failed Me moment all his own indicate that while he's being manipulated, there is evil intent and feeling all his own beyond his manipulator's instructions.
- Or possibly Sasuke can be redeemed because he is so obviously crazy. Once he has/if he does snap out of his epic Freak Out, he'll realize what he's done is completely stupid. Sasuke toes the line mightily, as the fact is he hasn't actually managed to do permanent Moral Event Horizon crossing damage. Sure, the intent was there, but the execution was lacking.
- To the original post I completely agree about what Kishimoto is trying to pull of and how upping the ante isn't working but besides the Draco in leather pants crowd whose continued support of Sasuke drives the author to prove that Sasuke has fallen and needs to be redeemed,there is also a faction who declared him fallen beyond redemption since he first left Kohona and that he should have been killed on the spot so ultimately whatever stance Kishi would have taken somebody would have complained.
- I still think that, for Sasuke, Redemption Equals Death. He must die, because Konoha can never take him back after what he's done, but he will not die evil. Instead, he'll join forces with Naruto and defeat Madara, being mortally wounded in the process.
- Actually... I think this is probably true. Especially if you look at the Arcs. I was wrong in comparing Sasuke to Knuckles. He's Raistlin. He'll die, but he won't do it "for the world" or "for Naruto" or whatever. He'll do it, because it'll be the thing that spites Madara the most thereby finally satisfying his revenge. And, inevitably, he'll end up coming back just like Raistlin, because fan favorite 's never go away, no matter how much half the fanbase hates them. Give it ten-twelve years and we'll have cheesetastic powermetal songs about Sasuke too.
- I was actually thinking about how similar Raistlin and Sasuke are. I mean, yeah, their plots with Caramon and Naruto respectively is just the basic Cain and Abel story, but there are lots of other similarities. Both run into their "mentor" figure who they will later betray during a test, Raistlin meets Fistandantilus(well, his ghost) during the test of High Sorcery, and Sasuke during the Chunin exams. Both get marked during their tests, Raistlin with his golden skin(and hourglass eyes, but those are given to him by Par-Salian) and Sasuke with the curse mark. Both have a person who wants to bring them back to the side of good, Naruto considers Sasuke like a brother, and of course Caramon actually is Raistlin's brother. Both Raistlin and Sasuke are also considered geniuses, and both are prone to jealousy. Sasuke with when he realized Naruto was advancing faster than him pre-timeskip and Raistlin was jealous of Caramon during most of his life( especially during his test when the fake Caramon revealed he could cast spells even better than Raistlin, and Raistlin stabbed and killed him for it). Fistandantilus and Orochimaru are A LOT alike as well. They both use Grand Theft Me to make themselves immortal, and both try to absorb their apprentices, but get tricked into getting absorbed instead. It was also revealed in Dragons of the Hourglass Mage that Fistandantilus hung out "inside" of Raistlin and could talk to him, like how Orochimaru could talk to Sasuke.
- This troper would not be surprised that, if Kishimoto wants to draw the story out even more, we see a very-similar-to-Dragonlance time travel arc, probably back to either post-Juubi or the First Hokage's time, to discover Madara's weakness. Especially if they manage to redeem Sasuke in the upcoming fight.
- INCOMING SHITSTORM!!!!!
Essentially, he's never going to be Hokage. He's simply going to gain the title of Kage. As in not a Kage, but the Kage. The other Kages will answer to him. I mean, let's face it... After the fight he had with Pain, it's pretty easy to say that anyone who isn't named Danzo within Konoha would take Naruto's advice under strong advisement at the very least. Amegakure might not have a Kage, but Konan's their leader and she's sworn to follow Naruto. Gaara might not follow him unconditionally, but it's safe to say that if Naruto asks for Gaara's trust in believing that Naruto is uniting the world, Gaara will give it. So that's three countries in his pocket, two of them with Kages. He's halfway there and he hasn't even realized it yet.
- Except for the fact that this doesn't square thematically with the series. Naruto ruling over the world would essentially be the same thing as what Madara and Danzo are trying to accomplish, simply through less distasteful methods. The way Kishimoto is writing, it is clear that he is setting Madara and Danzo in the wrong for believing that the only way to attain peace is by having someone being given absolute power and then lording said power over others to keep them from fighting for each other. Naruto represents the "right" way of doing things by implying that true peace will be achieved by having people come together as equals to build a better future. The most ideal example of this will be Naruto not assuming a position of absolute authority, but by becoming Hokage and working together with the other Kages to build a truly peaceful world.
- ... Tenten comes from Konoha? Though, that said, there probably is. We've seen hits that there are other places beyond the seas before, though only in the movies.
- There was a vaguely European-style location in the Gelel movie, the place that had no idea what chakra was. Other continents besides the main one are entirely possible.
- The flaw here is that Sasuke is cited as being Kishimoto's favorite character to draw.
- To draw, yes. He said nothing about his personality. One can appreciate a character's looks (or find them easier to draw than any other character—given how many pages Kishimoto puts out on a regular basis, I wouldn't put it past him to like drawing Sasuke simply because it takes less time and effort to do so) and still despise them as a character.
- Though he did say it was in spite of him being very difficult to draw.
- To draw, yes. He said nothing about his personality. One can appreciate a character's looks (or find them easier to draw than any other character—given how many pages Kishimoto puts out on a regular basis, I wouldn't put it past him to like drawing Sasuke simply because it takes less time and effort to do so) and still despise them as a character.
- See collected WMG 17 above, and WMG about being possessed by the Jyuubi for reason for batshit insanity.
- Sasuke is Vengeance-sexual
- Can it really be called Single-Target Sexuality if the "target" isn't a person (or an object), but an abstract concept, such as "vengeance"?
- This fanfic apparently takes it that way... (Warning: Don't eat chips while reading it. It hurts to have chip pieces lodged in your sinus...)
- Can it really be called Single-Target Sexuality if the "target" isn't a person (or an object), but an abstract concept, such as "vengeance"?
- The gift was Jossed
- Seems increasingly likely, though given how often Sasuke's character seems to change, who really knows.
- I thought the moral was that Aoba is responsible for everything.
- Well, whatever that is (it seems his teleportation and intangibility as the same power; he becomes intangible by just teleporting part of his body instead of all of it) it apparently is not a Mangekyo Sharingan technique, as Madara uses it when only using his regular Sharingan.
- It's possible that this a part of the eternal sharingan's power though.
Naruto will be backed into a corner. Everything and everyone is all serious. Naruto then thinks to himself: 'No choice. I guess I'll have to use that Jutsu. I know Kakashi-sensei said I really shouldn't use it on anyone... and I really don't wanna subject anybody to that, but I'm up against the wall here. I gotta do it'. Naruto then pulls off an epic Shadow Clone combo, gets behind his opponent, and: "Ultimate Secret Leaf Village Jutsu! THOUSAND YEARS OF DEATH!!!. It would be a great surprise, and you all can't tell me you wouldn't enjoy seeing Sasuke flying through the air, propelled skyward by Naruto's "attack" while clutching the seat of his pants.
- I still can't stop giggling at that mental image. Anyone feel like drawing that?
At the Blue Samurai Bridge was because of the Itachi's crow. I have a WMG about the whole thing. Itachi's crow will come into action after Sasuke gets Itachi's eyes. Naruto was somehow aware of this, and thus couldn't fully attack Sasuke then. Once both Naruto and Sasuke are active with something of Itachi's, then finally some scheme of Itachi will come into play. I think that's what he meant when he said "I can't tell you now".
Is actually a pointer towards both a Heroic Sacrifice and overall compromise about his Ninja word. Naruto wants to anger Sasuke so much that he will want to obliterate Naruto. Remember, Sasuke is nuts, but is also one of the few people who can actually kill Kyuubi!Naruto, and infuriated enough, he won't be caring about capturing Naruto alive. Therefore, Naruto wants to arrange it so, so that both end up killing each other. (the whole "hit me with all your anger" thing).Naruto killing Sasuke will remove a threat from his village. Sasuke killing Naruto will both kill Kyuubi, a threat that even Yondi had trouble defeating, plus he will incapacitate Madara and the Akatsuki totally with them loosing a Bijuu.
- Except nothing we've seen suggests Sasuke is competant enough to do that. Killing a jinchuriki without extracting the bijuu basically requires the Chunky Salsa Rule. Seeing as hate filed rage tends to impare one's judgment, it doesn't seem likely that Sasuke would be able to kill Naruto, even if he's physically capable of doing so. Remember, at the end of Part I, Sasuke blew a hole through Naruto's lung (twice), and then the Healing Factor kicked in and he recovered practically instantly from something that would be a fatal wound to anyone else.
- Ah, well, I wasn't talking of current skill level, just that his EMS would perhaps control Kyuubi. Naruto can then allow himself to be killed a la Itachi, and also take down Sasuke with him. A sensible Akatsuki member would hold back, but a angry Sasuke wouldn't care. That is perhaps what Naruto is counting upon, the EMS being strong enough to kill a willing Kyuubi!Naruto even with his Healing Factor.
- But what about the Hyuuga clan? It hasn't been mentioned for about 400 chapters, but Naruto promissed to see to it that the Caged Bird Seal system is eliminated. To keep his word, he has to live long enough to see it through to the end.
- Naruto's precise goal is to change the clan, and he has already made an impact on Neji and Hinata, although it's unclear if he thinks it's enough. He notes that he'll do quite a few things after he becomes Hokage, and always says he never goes back on his word. While he seems to be reconsidering how likely he is to bring Sasuke back, which is a prerequisite for becoming Hokage, so it's possible he could see this as a reason to not give up.
- Averted with Itachi and Obito, and probably Shisui.
- Obito is no longer an aversion.
- And Itachi never was; just because he isn't evil doesn't stop him from being completely insane. Since the pain of seeing someone die in front of you (which would screw you up a bit) and taking out your own eyes and replacing them with your brother's (which would require you to be completely out of your head to do) are the ways to make your Sharingan stronger, this is practically canon.
- Averted with Itachi and Obito, and probably Shisui.
- Since you just lobbed it over the plate... The 'ancient technology' that will be used to combat the Juubi is actually, you guessed it, Gunmen. These will be opposed by various biomechanical creatures that run on angst. And it will be AWESOME.
- ...Does that make the Rasengan concentrated Spiral Energy?! DUDE!!
- Nope, its just chakra... that can be substituteded with Spiral Energy for a bigger attack. The Raikage, though, is concentrated Spiral Energy.
- ...Does that make the Rasengan concentrated Spiral Energy?! DUDE!!
- Alternatively, the Naruto world is stuck at the tail end of the Age of Strife. Chakra is actually a precurser to psykers, but humanity's evolution isn't quite there, yet. Furthermore, everyone's at war, and Naruto has yet to face the true horrors of the rest of the world and unite everyone as the God-Emperor of Mankind. Or the God-Emperor of Mankind will show up (perhaps after the Sixth Hokage's death) and, unfortunately, kick everyone's asses.
- Conversely, the Naruto world is a colonized planet lost to the Age of Strife, where psykers are accepted as ninja, because the Imperial Truth has been lost to time as the legend of the Sage of the Six Paths. Again, this explains the ramshackle technology and alternative geography we see in canon.
- Since the newly announced "Naruto The Last" is coming sometime soon I am going to assume this will become important after the main series ends. It will be one final send off.
- "Tell me what you know" "Ah bite me" XD
- Given the rest of the chapter, its probably Kabutimaru.
- It's Tonbo! We all know he's hiding the Rinnegan under those bandages.
- Sharinnengan.
- Or maybe Madara will discover a way to both regain his "full power" and somehow make himself young ("prime of life" and all that).
- Of course, the great toad refered to Jiraya as 'Jiraya-boy', so its possible that Naruto'll just fight Madara.
- And Neji might be it, actually- in activating a yet unseen form of his bloodline, he goes binkers and lashes out at everyone around him.
- Or, of course, my above WMG about Minato and Kushina's parentage is correct, and Naruto has to fight himself...
- Makes sense. I don't see how Naruto could possibly fight Madara without the Hiraishin.
- Gee, really?
- It's too obvious. In a story that's constantly giving us more and more complex and unintelligeble plans, 'Finishing the Hirashin' is far too streight forward. Either the Finished Hirashin will be nothing like the original, or it's something that's going to come completely from left field, like some sort of super-moon-destroying jutsu to stop Madara's equally crazy plan.
- Except they don't need to really do anything to stop the Moon's Eye plan. The Juubi is trapped in the moon. Madara need to revive The Juubi in order to have the power to reflect Tsukuyomi of the moon. The plan is self-defeating, once The Juubi's awakened there will be no
spoonmoon - That would be where the Impure World Resurrection technique comes in- an ability that not only lets you revive a person, but gives you control over the same, at the cost of one human sacrifice. Nagato would be capable of reforming the moon, even at the cost of his own life, which would be convenient for Madara anyway. Madara's fulling of tricks, and he always seems to have a backup plan.
- Except the Juubi's body is unimprtatnt, Madara is only intersted in the chakra. Not really, it turns out Madara has had the Juubi's body all along.
- Gee, really?
- Original poster here; I just thought of sumfin! Naruto still can't form a Rasengan without his clone's help (outside of Sage Mode, that is). Maybe that's what he's tryin' to learn how ta do! ...Nah, too anti-climactic. Never mind!
- No I think you're on to something. But it's something from much earlier. What's the one Jutsu that Naruto has never been able to do, no matter how hard he's tried? BUSHIN NO JUTSU!
- Isn't is probably the Rasen Shuriken?
- He's already mastered that.
- I thought it was the Tailed Beast Rasengan. Y'know, the Rasengan he's learning to use in his new controlled Nine-Tails Mode?
- Maybe Hanabi is a spare until the next leader is chosen, or if Hinata dies.
- I was under the impression that Hanabi was never going to be branded even if Hinata was clan head because Hanabi is a girl, and they cannot create branch families.
- Isn't his issue a problem wtih his Chakra Coils? I could be wrong and that just be fanon, but that's the impression I have. If that's the case, Nature Chackra wouldn't fix anything; he still cant manipulate it.
- I do not know about the Chakra coils thing, but what if Nature energy did not go through them? What if because it is being drawn from outside his body he has a much easier time externalizing it, because it already came from outside of his body?
- But it is drawn through them. It's why it can turn you to stone if you do it wrong. Besides, Fukasaku makes a big deal about how you have to have huge chakra levels to learn to use it, which Lee is never shown to have.
- I do not know about the Chakra coils thing, but what if Nature energy did not go through them? What if because it is being drawn from outside his body he has a much easier time externalizing it, because it already came from outside of his body?
- Seems likely, but I'd guess Naruto will (as he seems to be doing now) have to go through multiple hoops to get KB to train him.
1: ? Sussano'o/Izanagi
2: ? Sussano'o/Izanagi
3: Water affinity copy.
4: Fire affinity copy.
5: Lightning affinity copy.
6: ?
7: Instant Copy power of Sharingan
8: Ameterasu
9: Earth affinity copy.
10: Air affinity copy.
11: Motion tracking/ movement memorization
12: Kamui
13: Mind Control Genjutsu
14: Expanded Chakra reserves
15: Tsumiyoki
16: Izanami
17: Genjutsu breaking skillz?
18: ???
Thoughts on the few techniques left out, and where they go?
The second Hokage had an Uchiha on his personal team, so let us assume that he was not prejudiced against them as Madara claimed. Rather, he welcomed the peace with the Uchiha after the years of war, but was more worried about Madara coming back and ruining things than his brother. He created Edo Tensei so that he could be prepared if he needed his brother back to fight off Madara again, but his real worries when the Fox struck Konoha were that Madara might be able to stir up younger members of the Uchiha into following him and restarting the struggle between the two clans. To try and strengthen the village's ties with the Uchiha, he made them the police force, fully intending it as a gesture of trust. Madara, however, outsmarted the second and disguised himself, infiltrating the Uchiha anonymously and spreading around the idea that the second had done it to keep the clan out of political power and to spy on their movements. Over time, this took root, and the Uchiha began to plan revolt, believing that they couldn't trust the government, while the government officials besides the Hokages began to suspect the Uchihas were intending to betray the peace and perhaps had been planning this from the start. The second died long before he could resolve the situation, and Sarutobi's attempts to make peace were thwarted by the elder's paranoia and the Uchiha's bull-headed pride and old grudges against the Senju being stirred up. The massacre was a senseless waste of human life Madara engineered and caused to get revenge on the Uchiha and weaken the Leaf.Whether Sasuke cares at all when he finds this out is another story.
1.) He seems to have lived with ROOT for pretty much his whole life, so he would have been out of the way during the massacre.
2.) He has the black hair and dark gray eyes that seem fairly constant among Uchihas. Similarly, he has been repeatedly noted to look like Sasuke.
3.) The sharingan is generally activated by large amounts of emotional stress, and Sai has never really been in any situation that would cause that sort of reaction (besides his brother's death, and that still wouldn't necessarily activate it; after all, Sasuke's didn't show up during the massacre). So, the fact that he doesn't have a sharingan doesn't do much to argue against it, either.
- I thought Sasuke's sharingan DID manifest during the massacre. Wasn't that revealed in the chapter where Sasuke remembered chasing after Itachi and seeing him crying? Although whether that actually happened is anyone's guess...
Also death in the fake world just merely means release and Madara plans on dropping out of the world to retreive those who escaped once the second moon eye thing is in place.
The only other people who knew what was going on were Itachi and now Sasuke due to their mangekyo sharigans. However Itachi realized that he wouldn't be able to do anything about it with Madara watching him so closely so he purposely turned Sasuke into the crazy nutbag that he currently is. Since so far the only way they know to free people is by killing them Sasuke's goal of destorying Konoha would actually be good for everyone. However Madara doesn't realize what's going on cause he just thinks Sasuke is insane due to his own machinations and the actions of Itachi.
Once Sasuke rips Konoha a new one he plans on committing suicide and then teaming up with all the freed people to hunt down Madara in the real world to kill Madara for real and saving the world.
And the reason they haven't told anyone is so one Madara won't know that they know and two who the heck would believe them?
- That is now personal canon. Why? Because it's really cool.
- Same here.
In the case of transplants, this may influence what ones are inherited. It's possible that Danzo took Shisui's eye for the power it had, but Izanagi could have derived from his strong desire for self-preservation (fleeing the Kage summit, taking Karin hostage, being hesitant to sacrifice himself as a diversion). Kakashi may have also wanted the ability to predict his enemy's movements so that he could use Lightning Blade, and the copying ability may have been based on his desire to expand his repertoire of jutsus.
- This troper has thought of this possibility as well. My headcanon is that abilities such as movement tracking and prediction or enhanced genjutsu are basics that come in every Sharingan and vary in strength depending on how many tomoe the eyes gain. I figured that Izanagi and Izanami were also techniques that only required regular Sharingan, since Danzo could use Izanagi with his stolen eyes, but knowledge of how to use them was kept secret. Then, the extra powers that the Mangekyou give vary from person to person. It seems like Susanoo is a technique that everyone with the eyes is capable of using, since Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara have all been seen using it. Aside from that, Itachi had Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, which he gave to Sasuke, Shisui had Kotoamatsukami, and Kakashi and Obito, apparently, had Kamui. The knowledge of how to use the Mangekyou techniques comes with the eyes themselves.
- So the laziest character has been pulling strings so he can be lazy? sounds like a pretty stupid thing for a genius to do.
Oh, and the third databook says Kiba learned how to use the Whirlwind Wolf Fang (旋風狼牙, Senpū Rōga) between Part I and Part II. They don't tell us what it is. If anyone can think of what it would possibly be other than Dual Wolf Fang + Wind Release, please share it. You're obviously a creative genius for thinking of it in the first place.
- thats easy, they surround the enemy by forming a whirlwind with both of them circling the enemy and rip the enemy apart.
The Cloud village has been known to kidnap those with powerful Jutsu, Chakra or Kekki Genki, has been explicably stated to have been collecting Jutsu and gearing up their military might in a time of general peace between the powerful nations. In fact, the other large village's (Leaf, Stone, Mist, Sand) have been de-militarizating themselves. Add in the Darwinist Raikage, his general reluctance to work with the other nations, and hints of a larger agenda, it wouldn't surprise me to learn Kumo was preparing to invade the other nations.
- For one thing, Kushina's kidnapping was way before his time, given that both he and Minato were the Fourth of their village. Secondly, given how annoyed the Raikage gets at subterfuge and kidnapping, like when he gets pissed off at Danzo, the other villages' under-the-table cooperation with terrorists like Akatsuki, or his unshakable resolve to see Sasuke die for kidnapping his brother, I don't think it's very in-character for him to be behind these underhanded attempts to collect unusual ninja. However, while the Raikage was growing up, we saw the Third Raikage briefly, who apparently held the job far into old age instead of dying young. Not to judge a book by his cover, but he looks pretty damn shifty, and if he lived to be quite old in his job, there's a good chance that he was still in charge all those years ago when the Hyuuga incident took place.
- Or Kishimoto could just Gainax Ending the series by having it end right after Naruto's final fight with Sasuke, once everything else is resolved. Both run at each other, Sasuke screams he's going to kill Naruto, Naruto screams that he told Sasuke he'd die with him, Super-Duper-Ultimate Rasengan hits Ultra-Wowie-Uber Chidori and then boom, the series ends.
- If Kishimoto pulls a stunt like that, he will Never Live It Down, and he'll seriously tempt the animators to write their own ending. We know from Dragonball GT that things like that tend not to end well.
- Dark!Naruto described himself as 'who Naruto really was'. Naruto said that the next time they fought, both he and Sasuke would die. Now, if Naruto nearly died, Dark!Naruto would get really pissed at Sasuke to the point that he would kill himself just to kill Sasuke. However, it may be possible to kill Dark!Naruto without actually killing Naruto. Rid of the darkness forever, Naruto is free to bring his dreams and ideals to reality.
- Naruto finally gets his therapy jutsu skills to work on him, convincing Sasuke that continous revenge is not a healthy life style to live.
- Sasuke actually grows a few brain cells and realises all the information and motivation he's gotten so far are from a member of the family who has a serious grudge against Konoha, not exactly the most reliable person.
- Sasuke has actually been preparing to Heel Face Turn ever since Madara recruited him, he did the same to Orochimaru after he outlived his usefulness.
- Sasuke won't be willing to fight alongside Kabutimaru, given that the latter won't be pleased with the former's behaviour.
- Itatchi's gift to Naruto causes one of the above
- Itatchi's gift allows Naruto to find out that Sasuke's been influenced by another scource, be it left over curse seal, Orochimaru's soul (somehow) or Madara's influence. This could even allow for a complete happy ending, given that Sasuke will be proven free of a lot of blame for the last two, the blame going to Kabutimaru and Madara anyway. Sure Sasuke will have to repay people somehow, but he will have to work for his happy ending at this point anyway.
- But Naruto was born with the whiskers and even if that was because his mother was a Jinchuuriki, she had red hair before having the Kyuubi placed inside of her
- The whiskers might be a Kyuubi mark, the two ninjas that decided to eat the Kyuubi had them as well.
- If the seal is forcibly broken, the Bijuu will be released or extracted and contained, and the Jinchuriki dies.
- If the seal is released by the Jinchuriki while the Jinchuriki has control over the Bijuu, the Jichuriki is able to transform fully into a Bijuu, retain conciousness, and revert at will.
- If the seal is released by the Jinchuriki or breaks on its own, but the Bijuu has less than three tails, the Jinchuriki transforms into a Bijuu, but the Bijuu has control. However, the Jinchuriki will revert to human form upon losing conciousness (two tails) or waking up (one tail).
- If the seal is released by the Jinchuriki or breaks on its own without the Jinchuriki having control over the Bijuu, and the Bijuu has at least three tails, the Jinchuriki permanently merges with the Bijuu and the Bijuu is released. The three tails threshold is evidenced by the fact that Gaara and Yugito were able to revert after transforming out of control, but Yagura appartently wasn't, as Sanbi was found in the wild.
- Sounds likely. Plus, given that he still can't do the basic Bushin, I bet that'll be the key to beating him.
- Apparently, Word of God says that his final battle will be against Sasuke. This still is fairly likely to happen, and it could give the Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors that Yamato mentioned a chance to come into play, with Sasuke countering Naruto's Rasen Shuriken with a Fire jutsu or even Amaterasu, and Naruto having to find some way to deal with Sasuke's fire jutsus without water jutsus.
- Confirmed that Naruto uses all his power boosts vs Madara [spoiler: Tobi is close enough.]
- I dunno, having people who get around line of sight by using magical 360 vision teach someone who doesn't have that vision how to fight blindly seems like a terrible idea, and like something Naruto would try.
- Better have Gai train him. After all, he already spent ungodly amounts of time developing the means to fight against a Sharingan.
- But wouldn't Madara know that Naruto was the new Jinchuriki, and thus he needed him alive? I suggest that it was either Fugaku or Danzo, depending on whether the Uchiha clan was really planning a coup or the Massacre was orchestrated without legitimate provocation and everyone is lying about it (therefore, we know that either Danzo and/or Fugaku is a traitor, but until we get a crediable account of what happened that night, we don't know who the traitor(s) really is/are.
- I know, but, whoever it is probably figured that threatening Naruto was the best way to make Kushina lose focus. Plus he's not the Jinchuriki yet, its still Kushina.
- The man is wearing the mask we saw Madara wear in a flashback, and we know now that Madara orchestrated the Kyuubi incident. Why wouldn't it be him?
- Because he's Obito.
- I know, but, whoever it is probably figured that threatening Naruto was the best way to make Kushina lose focus. Plus he's not the Jinchuriki yet, its still Kushina.
- Possibly gaining credibility with the fact that it has been revealed that Nagato IS AN UZUMAKI; with the Rinnegan to boot.
- Meaning that it's a Bloodline limit then? So what can Naruto do about to invoke it?
- However, with the revelation that Madara (Tobi)is actually Obito, it's much more believable that his plan is to create a world of peace, considering war took away the person he loved.
Third, Madara could be interested in Sasuke's eyes. Perhaps as a replacement for his own. He seems desperate for Sasuke's eye's to improve, and throwing him at the kage's could be construed as trying to exhaust the eyes so he takes Itachi's. The possibilities of transplanting another Eternal Mangekyo are unexplored. He also has an interest in the Rinnegan.
Theres a lot there which seems related, but I'm not quite sure how to form a unifying theory out of it.
- Maybe Madara needs Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes so they get the upgrade, he then steals the eternal Sharingan because he has lost both of his due to overuse of Izanagi.
The Uzumaki Clan's adeptness with Sealing techniques was made particular note of in the recent chapter, and we know the Hyuga Caged Bird Seal is probably highly advanced to seal away the Byakugan. So, before the formation of the Five Ninja Villages, and possibly the alliance with Senju, the Uzumaki were alligned with the Hyuga, and created the Caged Bird Seal not to keep the Branch Clan in check, but to solely protect the Byakugan's secrets, and prevent it from falling into enemy hands. Before the formation of Konohagakure, the Hyuga were probably hunted for their eyes, since aside from whatever secrets they still might have, they were the perfect scouting tool, and the Gentle Fist was the deadliest known Taijutsu. So, to ensure the Byakugan's secret were kept as such, they approached the Uzumaki with the request for a seal to neutralize the Byakugan upon the wielder's death, hence the creation of the Caged Bird Seal. However, as the years went by, the Hyuga expanded on the Seal's abilities so it became the seal we know today.
- That makes sense, and it would be quite relavent to Naruto and Hinata getting rid of the Seal. Now, it would require only executive fiat to ban the practice of branding children with the Seal, but that won't change the fact that numerous Hyuga already bare the Seal. They would need a seal master to be able to remove it without killing or crippling them in the process (it's connected in such a way as to destroy nerve cells under certain conditions, so haphazardly attempting to remove it is liable to do more harm than good).
- This would go quite a ways towards explaining some of his treatment too. If the ninja clans paid much attention to a specific orphan it would be something that any good spy could pick up on.
- This could happen, given that Minato used a seal to cause Madara to lose control of the fox, and Naruto might use one on one of the seven beasts Akatsuki has.
- Alternatively, Minato (or at least Naruto) got the surname Uzumaki since it is an important ancient clan, while Namikaze was not.
- With Asuma, the possibility is that this could be influenced by the difficulties he had with his father, as well as him potentially being a strong ninja in his own right when we first see him.
- Konohamaru acted like he expected special privileges just for being the Hokage's grandson.
The ball is in Naruto's court as far as his ships with Hinata and Sakura go; he has yet to respond to Hinata's confession and as it's unlikely that he will believe any confession Sakura makes, it will be up to him to make the next move with her. Sakura was harmed when Naruto lost control of the fox, and Yamato calls Naruto out on it, so Naruto decides to save Sasuke with his own power. Seeing Hinata apparently killed after her Love Confession drives Naruto to nearly break the seal on the Fox, and he realizes that not using the fox's power and hoping that he won't lose control of himself won't work, and decides to control it (before, he didn't know how, and had the urgent matter of finding Sasuke before the people who wanted him dead did).
It's thus possible that he fears that if he accepts Hinata's confession or confesses to Sakura and she accepts it, he will grow closer to them and thus react even more harshly to any harm that comes to them. However, he may learn something from his mother, who knew about the seal weakening if she had a child, and chose to have him anyway. This, combined with his new seal, may possibly enable him to get the courage to approach the girl he loves. It's also worth noting that the first question Naruto asks Kushina is how she met his father.
- For that matter, meeting his parents could help him understand love in general. It's one thing to understand a matter conceptually; it's quite another to have an example to point to. He probably would have asked Minato about his mother if it weren't for the fact that there was very little time and they had more urgent matters to discuss.
- Alternatively, he is under the impression that if get close to anyone it will resmble situation with Gaara, as in Fox will pass into his children.
- Or is it just that girls have Cooties.
- Alternatively, he is under the impression that if get close to anyone it will resmble situation with Gaara, as in Fox will pass into his children.
- Their child would have double colored hair, like Yuugi Motou. Cuz that would be the Rule of Cool.
- Not with Konan, because she's DEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!
- Everyone is not closely related is distant cousins if you go back far enough- that's just biology.
- So Sage of Six paths is a "God", and his two sons is Adam and... Adam?
- This could happen, especially since Naruto has taken the Kyuubi's chakra for himself by stealing it from the beast, so even if Madara gets all the tailed beasts, Naruto would still have the power to fight him.
- Jossed. Naruto immediately loses consciousness and his heart stops beating a few minutes later. He gets revived, though.
- Sasuke said during his confrontation with Itachi that Madara would be next, and during the talk where Madara reveals the truth, he shows anger over Madara's using his brother's eyes to replace his own. It's possible that since he hasn't given up on taking revenge on Madara.
- Nice pair of Shipping Goggles you got there. Still, the fact that Naruto's love interests boil down to Sakura, Hinata and Karin (with an outside chance) means this could still be right.
- ...Karin? Hinata I support; that I understand, it's the one I've seen the most evidence for. Sakura... I understand why someone else would root for her... but Karin? Really, some bitch steals the main character out of nowhere?
- It's somewhat likely that Karin will develop a one-sided crush on Naruto similar to the one she once had on Sasuke, but it's highly unlikely that Naruto will reciprocate, since they've only interacted once.
- Why can't characters end up with other random characters? Or even people outside of the established set of characters? Real life, after all isn't as convenient as the shipping wars would have you believe. This theory is as plausible as any of the other main pairings.
- ...Karin? Hinata I support; that I understand, it's the one I've seen the most evidence for. Sakura... I understand why someone else would root for her... but Karin? Really, some bitch steals the main character out of nowhere?
- Itachi was thirteen when he massacred the clan, so this sounds a bit improbable.
- I don't know about the lover, but he supposed to Kill someone very close to him to gain Mangekyo, maybe Madara was reffering to his friend being also his lover? Which would mean that Itachi is...
- It's best friend, lover or something equal emotion-wise, Itachi killed his friend and encouraged Sasuke to kill Naruto.
Hence once Naruto removed the Kyuubi's mind from the chakra and he begins using the now untainted chakra he becomes all sage like and stuff. It would definitely explain how he knew how to make a new seal up on the fly and why the Kyuubi mention the Sage.
- This might also explain why the Kyuubi was significantly more powerful than the Hachibi.
- How about Incest ship?
- Confirmed she is an Uzumaki
- How about Squick?
- Then again, this is Japan we're talking about. Their views on incest somewhat differ from ours.
- This is almost certain to happen, or at least that Sasuke will betray Madara, though whether Sasuke ever "followed" him at all is debatable. Sasuke's outright stated he plans to kill the other person responsible with the massacre, which was Madara, and some of Madara's other actions have got to come out in the open some time.
When C4 explodes, a cloud of microscopic bombs are released. Impossible to be seen by a normal person, the victims breathe in the bombs, which then enter the bloodstream. Sasori doesn't breathe or have a normal body, so he is immune to the effects of C4, just like his puppets. So it's likely that the technique is developed to use alongside Sasori, and not to kill Itachi, as Deidara initially claims.
- Seems like a possible explanation for Itachi's gift to Naruto, except that it will also allow Itachi to communicate with Sasuke during their inevitable fight.
- Or the Edo Tensei will do the same thing.
- As of chapter 619 this is close enough to confirmed. The Sharingan is activated when a Uchia who has experienced love loses it. They haven't explained the Mangekyo or Eternal yet but given when Sasuke awakened his Mangekyou and what we know about Itachi it probably awakens with completing your vengeance.
Kakashi despite having a mangekyou has only demonstrated one technique with it, Kamui. Since the eye was originally Obito's this seemed to imply that Obito was a direct descendant of either Madara or Izuna.
- I don't know - if Nagato needed a huge freaking bathtub to even stand up, I seriously doubt Little Nagato is in working condition. Even if this was true, Madara killed Konan, so you can forget about that.
- Besides she was interested in Yahiko, which considering that Nagato had him as a zombie/puppet requires some Brain Bleach if she was pregnant.
- Kubo who?
- Wrong Manga-ka.
- There's also the fact that her powers include the ability to pay great attention, so combined with her crush in him means that she could have been was a sorta-stalker.
- In Naruto's fight with Kiba, Hinata realizes based on observing Naruto from a distance how lonely he was in his childhood, how hard he had to fight to overcome it and how significant it is that he's fighting in front of many of his peers who looked down on him. It takes Sakura a few months of being on the same team with Naruto and fighting alongside him to understand that he really is a Determinator.
- Fish can breathe air, actually quite well because air has a much higher oxygen content than water. The problem with a fish out of water is that its gills don't retain water well when not immersed in it. They can withstand short periods of time out of water, but their gills will collapse from dehydration if they stay out of water too long, and suffocation soon follows.
- The Rinnengan's paths are the six Realms of Bhuddism. God/Deva, Demon/Asura, Hell/Naraka, Hungry Ghost/Preta, Human and Animal. Alright, let's relate that to the clans: Uzumaki is God Path because of their long lives and mastery of sealing. Senju would be Animal Path, giving them the power to rule over the forrest and master a thousand different techniques based off of various animal motifs, hence the "Thousand Hands." Uchiha is Hungry Ghost: no matter how much power they obtain, it is never enough to satiate them; even as they kill each other to increase their own power, it still isn't enough. The Hyuuga have the power of the all-seeing eye, which means they represent whichever Path Pain used as a Living Lie Detector. That leaves two others.
- The demon path is probably the Jubi. Madara needs it for a reason.
- The Path Pain used as a Living Lie Detector was the Hell path.
- She had just been healing everyone in the village at once, the ones that were still alive, so that would explain the aging.
- So Kabuto brings him back and lets him walk away?
- Willingly not, but it IS possible for a Edo Tensei to regain his self, As seen with Itachi, so there IS a possibility.
- Sasori: Kankuro couldn't defeat him. When the robe comes off of Hiruko, Sakura destroyed it with ease. When Sasori used the Third Kazekage, he was wearing his robe, and Sakura and Chiyo couldn't even touch him. As soon as the robe came off, his fate was sealed.
- Hidan: We actually saw this one in effect. Dude was physically unable to die. That is, until Shikamaru blew him up, destroying the robe, and the body.
- Hidan is immortal and survived both decapitation and dismemberment. Also he mentions that someone will find him and dig him up eventually. That's also th emost likely reason that Kabuto didn't bring him back with Edo Tensai. It only works on the dead.
- Kakuzu: This one's tricky. He never really fought onscreen while wearing the robe. He takes it off to become the tentacle beast, and he gets killed by Naruto and friends.
- Orochimaru: He never died while in the Akatsuki. In order to stay immortal, he has to change bodies every now and then. Sasuki absorbs him... without an Akatsuki robe.
- Deidara: Takes off his robe to use the C4 chakra nuke. Dies in the explosion.
- Itachi: Wasn't wearing a robe at the end of his fight with Sasuke. He died.
- Kisame: Shirtless while being beheaded by Killer Bee and Raikage.
- Pain: This is really hard to figure out. We do see robe-clad Pains get killed... but they're already dead. Putting an Akatsuki robe on a dead guy actually brings them to life (with chakra rods), but doesn't make them completely invincible. Nagato is almost, if not completely, naked when he sacrifices himself for the Gedo art of rebirth.
- Konan: So far, hasn't taken off her robe. Tobi-dara killed her while she kept her cloak on, which probably blows this theory to pieces.
- Zetsu: The white half did not wear a robe, and got curbstomped by the Raikage. Black half is still unknown.
- I have long supported this very theory, but there are some minor mistakes.
- The real Kisame came back after the Zetsu clone was killed. However, he died shortly after due to the absence of a cloak.
- Konan just died, and yet she still had her cloak.
- Madara has actually replaced his cloak, but we have yet to see what he will do next.
- I have long supported this very theory, but there are some minor mistakes.
- PLEASE let this one come true.
- Except Itachi already did that, and Sasuke's too insane to just become good, or be allowed to live
- Ot it's a bloodline limit. XD
The weapons a ninja uses requires a great deal of skill, natural ability, and training so whenever a weapon comes about that requires less training (I might be wrong here guns may require not that much less training than other warefare), the ninjas quickly destroy all that form of technology. That is why there can be things like electric power but no guns. As long as the technology is for civilian use, the ninjas allow it, but the moment something like a gun is a created, the gun gets destroyed and maybe whoever knows how to make one gets assassinated.
- This makes a lot of sense. Guns do require much less training/are more effective than other kinds of warfare and are much easier than ninjutsu is shown to be. Even your simplest ninjutsu require chakra control which for some people (Rock Lee) is simply impossible others it's extremely difficult (Young Naruto and it's really not clear how much better he's gotten since he just has absurdly large reserves he may still suck at getting the maximum bang for his buck). Guns also require fairly little physical strength, a gun is just as deadly in the hands of a five year old as it is in the hands of a body builder. The only problem with that explanation for the schizotech is that it only addresses weaponry. Why don't they have steam ships and trains? Why aren't radios more common (we know they have them after the Rescue Gaara Arc) but since they have those why weren't they using them during the Fourth Ninja War instead of nearly killing their psychics with the strain.
- Possible expansion to the above: It's possible even that the entirety of the events in Naruto are one long Gambit Roulette by Harashima Senju and Madara Uchiha to create world peace. Harashima and Madara saw that, by working side by side and creating Konohagakure, they were able to forge lasting peace between two incredibly bitter rivals, the Senju and the Uchiha. Other ninja clans followed suit, but war still happened, only now they were between countries instead of families. Harashima and Madara realized they just needed to find a way to make the entire world do undergo the same sort of cooperation that the Uchiha and the Senju did, and concocted this whole plan.
- You mean Madara is actually Lelouch Vi Britannia?!
- Seems to make more sense than any of the other ideas of why Madara is doing this.
- You mean Madara is actually Lelouch Vi Britannia?!
- Will the giant worm be sinking cities?
- I don't know about Manda, but Deidara is just the result of an Impure Resurrection Summoning. He's given some free will unless the Hokages Orochimaru summoned, but he is still dust and ashes bound by his soul covering a sacrifice. No Zetsu involved.
- Then why does he look so different?
- Because some/all the zombies have weird eyes because of the Resurrection technique.
- Then why does he look so different?
- Isnt this canon? The first part, anyway?
- Actually, no. Then again, I haven't read the databooks to see if they say anything. Otherwise, the manga is silent, and the anime shows her to still be alive after giving birth to Hanabi. We are left to infer that she died some time later, but this is conjecture.
- He claims that he is leaving because it was an "impossible battle". Let's examine that claim.
- Kabuto's side: Manda V.2, Itachi, Deidara, Sasori, Pein, Kakuzu, another unnamed (presumably powerful) dead person, a and himself.
- Opposing him: The Tsuchikage, Yamato, four other Jounin. Gai is out of commission for now and Killer B and Naruto are avoiding the fight.
- Conclusion: if Kabuto had been by himself, it would have been a bit iffy, but he might have been able to take them all on. With the ridiculous amount of support power that he has available, it would have been a Curb-Stomp Battle if he were to fight seriously. Notice that the Tsuchikage is the main threat, and Kabuto handles him by letting Deidara lead him away so that he won't interfere with the capture of Yamato. As far as I can tell, Kabuto is inspired by and respects Naruto and I predict that Kabuto will never attempt to seriously fight him. However, Kabuto's motivations are still largely unknown. What does he want with the wood element and/or Zetsu's clones?
- Kabuto is yandere towards Orochimaru. In general, Kabuto generally attempts to find diplomatic solutions to problems and appears to be a genuinely polite and pleasant human being (e.g. he healed Hinata when there was nothing for him to gain from it). However, when it comes to helping Orochimaru achieve his goals, Kabuto is willing to resort to murder, betrayal, war, Mad Science on living human beings, More than Mind Control (with Kimimaro): in short - a host of other actions which cross the Moral Event Horizon. After Orochimaru died, Kabuto had an existential crisis, but he claims that the person who inspired him to continue was Naruto. Notice that Kabuto's goal currently appears to be killing Sasuke, ostensibly for revenge, but he might be trying to Murder the Hypotenuse as well. This could also be behind his reasons for suddenly retreating from the island after capturing Yamato.
- Also maybe part of why he wants to get rid of Madara.
Maybe he was just copping a feel.
- He implanted her with his seed (changed her eggs), so if his plan to absorb Orochimaru will fail - he could be reborn in Hinata's childern. Oh shi...
- I'd support this purely because I'd enjoy laughing at the fandom fallout.
- Or it could be someone that no one ever imagined it to be his pair. Like Tenten =)
- I'd support this purely because I'd enjoy laughing at the fandom fallout.
However, as the human brain is not designed to use Experiential and Analytical thinking simultaneously, overuse of the Sharingan can be extremely taxing on the user's neural pathways, and in cases of severe overuse it can cause neurons to effectively fry themselves en masse. Symptoms-slash-effects of this can vary from reduced mental faculties due to a drastically reduced brain-cell count, drastic changes in personality due to loss of behavioral inhibitors and/or empathy, amnesia, retrograde amnesia, increased susceptibility to suggestion, sudden development of mental illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia or bipolar manic depression, and rarely even outright degenerative psychosis.
As for the Mangekyo? Meh, I dunno, probably magic or some such gobbledygook.
- Naruto vs. Sasuke (obviously)
- I would say Naruto would have to battle the 4th Hokage on the way.
- Seems to be Jossed.
- Black Zetsu vs. Yamato and/or Kakashi
- Jossed.
- Manda 2.0 vs Tsunade
- Jossed. [spoiler: Tsunade spends her entire time battling Madara Uchia]
- Zombie!Konan vs. Shikamaru (he always has to fight the girls)
- Jossed. [spoiler: Kabuto doesn't seem to have even summoned her and regardless Madara is the only Edo Tensai still out.]
- Zombie!Asuma vs. Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino if Kishimoto is cruel enough.
- Confirmed
- Also Zombie!Haku and Zombie!Zabuza vs. Naruto. An unknown (and relatively unremarkable) bloodline user and a swordsman without his sword. Why else other than the emotional impact would Kabuto have brought back ninja who are (compared to the others) unremarkable.
- Jossed. [spoiler: Kakashi and Sai split the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist.]
- "..skilled ninja who were once famous on their own right."
- Zombie!Deidara vs. Tsuchikage (rematch)
- Jossed.
- Zombie!Kisame vs. Raikage and Killer Bee
- Jossed. [Spoiler: The Raikage only fights Madara until the Edo Tensai is broken and Killer Bee fights Tobi and Nagato.]
- Zombie!Kakuzu vs. Mizukage
- Zombie!Sasori vs. Sand Siblings (Kankuro vs. Sasori in particular)
- Confirmed.
- Zombie!Itachi and Zombie!Pein and Zombie!Unknown vs. Madara
- Jossed. [spoiler: Itachi and Pein fight Killer Bee and Naruto before Itachi fights Kabuto.]
- Kabuto vs. ???anyone/everyone/no one???
- Confirmed.
- Naruto Clone Army and all the other ninja vs. Zetsu Clone Army
- Confirmed.
- Ninjas vs. Pirates
- What about these: Naruto v.s. Nagato; Sasuke v.s. Itachi; Sakura v.s. Sasori; Kakashi v.s. Kakuzu; Sai v,s, Deidara
- Mostly Jossed. [spoiler: Naruto does fight Nagato, Sasuke and Itachi team up to fight Kabuto, Kankuro fights Sasori not Sakura, Team Ino-Shiki-Cho take out Kakuzu and Deidera is defeated in a group battle that does involve Sai.]
- Er, arent Impure World Ressurection Zombies indestructable? I thought that was why the 3rd had to seal them away.
- You're right, this means probably that Sasuke will fight Kabuto with a Susanoo possesing the Totsuka Sword, considering that the Totsuka Sword can also seal souls.
- Now that Suigetsu and Juugo have gotten out of jail,this troper believes that a Kimimaro vs Juugo is in order(It seems too late for a Suigetsu vs Zabuza at this point).
- Jossed. [spoiler: The edo tensai is released before Juugo and and Suigetsu even arrive at the battlefield.]
- Ten-ten vs. Madara and she wins.
- Hahahahaha. No.
- What about these: Naruto v.s. Nagato; Sasuke v.s. Itachi; Sakura v.s. Sasori; Kakashi v.s. Kakuzu; Sai v,s, Deidara
- Tsunade waiting to be confirmed
- Shikaku confirmed
- Inoichi confirmed
- Kankuro
- Anko
- Madara, Kabutomaru.
- Choza is the most likely of the Ino-Shika-Cho trio to bite it. He's the only one currently on the battlefield, and is injured from being slapped by the faux Kyuubi. Jossed. Concerning all three Ino-Shika-Cho members; Inoichi, Shikaku, and Ao, as well as anyone else in the HQ, died due to the Ten-Tails blowing the HQ up with a Bijuudama.
- In the anime canon, there was the Land of Tea arc and the first movie which took place between Sasuke waking up from his coma and going back into hospital from Lo T. The mission probably took place then.
- Dan for Tsunade
- Yugito Nii for Killer Bee (He respected her)
- Haku, Zabuza, and possibly Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya and Hiruzen for Naruto. He resurrected the previous Jinchuuriki and Kages, so why not the previous Jinchuuriki of the strongest tailed beast, two very powerful Hokage and one Sannin?
- Because the Hokage's can't be resurrected, he is too lazy to get Jiraiya and Kushina might be too hard to obtain her DNA.
- Hizashi against Neji/Hinata
- Hiashi vs. Hizashi
- Chiyo against Suna/Sakura
- Asuma against Shikamaru
- Itachi against Sasuke
- Alternatively, he canonizes it, but makes it far from pleasant. Wives chosen on a genetic rather than romantic basis, not allowed to go on dangerous missions until kids are born, what have you.
- Explain- Naruto+ Hinata= Badass Family (kids with the chakra reserves of the Fourth Hokage and the Byakugan). Naruto+ Ino= not compatable for kekkei genkai blending. Naruto+ Tenten doesn't make sense for romantic or breeding reasons. Naruto+ Sakura= workable, not as good as Hinata, but if we're talking polygamy, that's no problem. Naruto+ Temari= Political marriage, creating a blood tie that would preserve Konoha/Suna alliance in the event of Gaara's untimely death. Naruto+ Karin= redundant- even assuming Karin's powers are genetic, Konoha already has the best medics and at least one of Naruto's kids are bound to undergo Sage training, meaning that the sensory powers would be available to them anyway (ignoring the fact that if the sensory power is genetic for Karin, Naruto's probably is, too, see above WMG about Karin being Naruto's cousin). Everything else seems to be a crack pairing.
- Seems to be Jossed, but I wouldn't call it confirmed. Suigetsu and Jugo are both with Sasuke and Orochimaru listening to the Hokage somewhere in/around Konoha. The bit with Zombie!Zabuza is Jossed due to Itachi releasing Edo Tensei.
- I thought she wasn't a Jinchuriki at that point. They kidnapped her for her special chakra not the nine-tails. And if she was a Jinchuriki she would have been better protected.
- She wasn't a Jinchuriki at the time. However it's cannon that she couldn't control Kurama, it seems that as far as we can tell from the actual manga Killer Bee may very well be the first Jinchuriki with control over his beast. The anime would extend this control to the two tails which still has this power limited to no more than four. It's possible nobody has ever really tried. If we use Gaara as an example it's possible that the standard technique for using a Jinchuriki was basically to dump them on the battlefield and step back while the beast goes nuts. Given what we know about the Bijuu as a whole however this seems to be a little bit of everybody's fault. There was absolutely nothing preventing any of the Bijuu from having a positive relationship with their Jinchuriki. It frankly doesn't make sense that Kurama and Shukaku DIDN'T do this. I don't think they would have had to do much to convince Gaara to wreck the village hidden in the sand and while it would have had a harder time getting Naruto on board but given the power boost (and evidence from the fight with Oorochimaru) if Kurama had flat out offered to help get Sasuke back and promised not to randomly beat up Naruto's friends he would have taken the deal in a heart beat.
- When she was 14? That's ridiculous.
- That's not how recessive genes work. Recessive genes have recessive alleles that get passed on to the person's children. These children can pass on the recessive alleles anyway, even if the dominant alleles completely physically repress the recessive ones, which is how traits can skip a generation. Thus, if Wood Jutsu is a recessive gene, then all of Hashirama's direct offspring would be heterozygous (having dominant and recessive alleles) but expressed as the dominant trait (I presume inability to use Wood Jutsu). Considering Hashirama seems to have numerous living descendants, then at least a few should theoretically carry a recessive allele, and as squicky as it may sound, inbreeding among the Senju should eventually produce someone capable of Wood Jutsu. Also, unless Hashirama was mutated in the womb, or both of Hashirama's parents were mutated in a specific way (in a genetic sense, not in a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sense), there should have been Wood Jutsu users before Hashirama, since the recessive alleles must have been passed to him by someone (even if that someone is the Sage of the Six Paths).
My theory is that the shell that holds the spiral in place was made too dense, preventing the proper osmosis. Naruto was able to master it because of his formation of Rasengan. Because his Shadow Clone shortcut lets him neglect higher chakra control, the shell he forms is naturally weaker than the original, which lets him mix in his Wind Release just fine. This is evident in most all of the movies, if you want to try to mix them into continuity. Rainbow Chakra, moonlight, and all other kinds of strong external energies are absorbed into the Rasengan improving on the original. This was also demonstrated by Jiraya in Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm, where he achieved a Fire Release Rasengan by first hitting his enemy with a Dragon Flame Bomb, and then introducing the Rasengan. The Rasengan sucked in the fire that was still burning on his opponent, transforming into the Fire Release: Rasengan.
- Fridge Brilliance - If you look back at the Chunin Exams, you'll see that in actuality the only villages that actually participated were Waterfall, Rain, Sound, Sand, Grass, and of course Leaf. Out of the five great nations, only two actually participated in the exam. Mist, Cloud, and Rock (all of whom were at war with Leaf at one point or another) are absent. Perhaps the Leaf couldn't quite get over their grudges with those three villages (and vice-versa) but if you take into account how long White Fang has been dead (twenty years), then it's been at least twenty years since the last war with Sand. Considering that, it's not impossible to imagine that many of the people in the Leaf and Sand villages could have made amends. However, wars with Mist, Rock, and Cloud have been going on until just recently, so the Leaf would be less willing to invite them to participate, instead allowing lesser-known villages who were either allies to them or just outsiders during the Great Wars.
- Fridge Brilliance - the reason everyone has been talking so highly of Itachi lately is to try and get Sasuke on their side. Even the Second Hokage started praising some Uchiha when he realized that doing so would get through to Sasuke.
- Well, there is a problem- he would blind himself doing that. Also, there's no indication that the Izanami user can use it on himself.
- And that's a textbook non-fatal Heroic Sacrifice for Sasuke, to justify to the audience why he should be considered good now.
- Well, there is a problem- he would blind himself doing that. Also, there's no indication that the Izanami user can use it on himself.
Transplants which defy biology are possible thanks to the recipient acquiring control over cells from Hashirama’s DNA, which allows them to prevent a body part from being rejected..
Hashirama’s DNA needs an appropriate amount of chakra in order to properly mesh with the recipient otherwise the person gets killed. That’s why fatigue leads to a tree sprouting from the area with the transplant and why newborns don’t survive the procedure.
- Ninja News got Nuked.
- By that reasoning, Kakashi, the teacher, will become the Hokage like the 3rd.
- Jossed: She survived (barely) long enough for Suigetsu and Karin to heal her all the way. Orochimaru then gave her a truncated explanation of the situation and then took off.
- I suspect the Chunin Exams aren't as deadly as they seem. Other than that this WMG makes a lot of sense.
We already know that the Sharingan can allow the user to see chakra and accurately enough even in it's lowest form that Sasuke could tell which Naruto was real, something Neji couldn't accomplish nor can nearly anybody else. He also has excellent chakra control. He didn't have the time to try it against Kabuto since even a prodigy like him needs a moment to build up the energy but having seen both Kabuto and Naruto perform the technique it would be shocking if he couldn't. Lets be honest the Sharingan has performed acts a lot more absurd than letting him copy a technique he's only seen twice. Heck that was the original use!
- doubt it- since honestly, Sasuke couldn't truly see the original amongst the clones [Chunin exams proved that]- it was more the fact that Sasuke can keep track of the original with his sharingan like a homing beacon. The sharingan in its basic form is super-sight, so it's not impossible for Sasuke to be able to see the original pull off the move and just keep track of Naruto that way. The reason Neji couldn't tell the difference was the fact that the chakra was distributed evenly, so all of the clones registered as 'the real one' to him.
He and the real Madara have the same seiyuu, what gives them the same voice. So, they will handwave it by saying the masks he used to wear changed his voice. He might as well get his original voice actor back.
- Confirmed.
It's been outright stated that using too much of Kurama's chakra before Naruto gained control of him caused terrible damage to his body (such as burning off his skin and seemingly boiling his blood) and even after regenerating it he's always left extremely weak after. Given how warped his thinking became while using his chakra cloak, what if Kurama's chakra also damaged his brain? If there was even the slightest problem with regenerating the damage, the effects could range from personality changes to memory loss to sensory trouble, possibly even if his brain was regenerated properly. This could explain how after his three year training trip and the events of Shippuuden (both cases where he used Kurama's chakra frequently) could explain Naruto's apparent change from being Book Dumb but tactically insightful (such as creating the Uzumaki Naruto Barrage after seeing Sasuke's Lion Barrage once) into his current character that doesn't know where babies come from and regularly forgets things he himself figured out (sometimes in seconds).
It's similar to how the whole "Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Knowledge and are kicked out of Eden" story from the Bible is a morality story and allegory for something. Chakra already exists in all living things in the Naruto-verse, as stated waaaayyy back in the manga. The Sage's mother was merely the first person to access and harness her chakra, and passed the knowledge on to her son, who became the first chakra scholar and used what he learned to tame the 10-Tails' power and become the Sage of Six Paths.
- Doesn't explain why the Shinju actively tries to take the chakra of everything around it. The idea of the Shinju simply being enraged and trying to take back what was stolen from it was already sensible, and it still brings it to the fact that the Jyuubi is not inherently evil. The entire point of Shinju was to represent a being that was not good nor evil, just a force of nature- it was simply acting out in a sort of Gaia's Revenge esque maneuver.
You see that and you think "Crack Theory", I know, but just hear me outNow, going by Madara's description of the Shinju, it appeared long before Chakra had been discovered, in a war-torn worldLong story short: Our world was torn apart by World War III, Nations were torn apart and the Shinju appeared and many considered it be a religious relic.One woman sought to end the war and consumed the fruit and through her son, the sage of six paths, the world was unified once more at the nations of the Naruto verse
- This could also count as another DBZ reference.
- Alternatively, the Armor Piercing Question will be: "If you want Rin to be alive, why wasn't she revived with Edo Tensei?"
- The problem with those ideas is that he already knows that the Rin he loves never existed. He doesn't want Rin back as she was; he wants a Rin he can control to fulfill his desires. Kakashi tried exactly this and Obito dismissed Rin jumping in front of a Jidori as an illusion.
- Well can't you control an Edo Tensei?
- Not in the sense Tobi wants. You can control an Edo Tensei, but only by stripping it of all appearance of free will. That won't feed Tobi's delusion, because he'll see right through it.
- I get that, I just don't comprehend how he will control her while keeping himself from knowing she isn't real.
- What Tobi basically wants is a world where The Good Guys Always Win and the hero always gets the girl; that's why he offered Naruto a world where he could be Hokage, which we all know is Naruto's dream. Also, he's basically rejected the reality of the world as he knows it really exists, and he's a grade-A nutcase anyway, so it wouldn't be beneath him to make a world where Rin is alive and wants him. He'd know it's not what really happened, but because it's what he wants, he won't care.
Afterwards:
Sasuke will have truly made a Heel–Face Turn for good, but realizes that after everything he’s done he can’t just return to the Leaf Village and act like nothing has changed. He decides to go on a journey of redemption, walking the world and doing good. He’ll be joined by Taka, as well as Orochimaru and maybe Kabuto. However, as he leaves, Naruto tells him that he’ll always have a home at the Leaf Village.
The allied ninja army will return to their individual villages, and the five great nations will enter a peace treaty and Naruto will help the biju learn to coexist with the villages instead of the villages controlling them. Tsunade will decide to retire from the position of Hokage due to age and growing weaker, and will nominate Naruto for the position, but it will be turned down because he’s STILL a Genin.
Instead, the position of Sixth Hokage will be offered to Kakashi for the third time, but Kakashi refuses to take the position of Sixth, but will agree to become the Seventh Hokage on the condition that Obito be granted the position of Sixth Hokage posthumously for saving the ninja world.
- Jossed, Kakashi becomes the sixth Hokage as a placeholder for Naruto to mature.
The village has added Obito and Kakashi’s heads to the mountain. We’ll finally see Kakashi’s real face on the mountainside.
- Jossed, we still don't see his face.
- Confirmed
- Jossed, she retired and married Sasuke.
- Jossed, he married Ino.
Ino will have retired from being a ninja, and instead run the flower shop. She will also be married to a nameless character.
- Jossed. She married Sai.
Kiba will be a Jonin and the head of a tracking squad.
- Confirmed
Shino will join the Anbu Black Ops, and bemoan the fact that no one can recognize him because of his mask.
- Jossed
Hinata will become the new head of the Hyuuga Clan and will have moved on from Naruto, marrying someone in her clan and having a child named in Neji's honor.
- Jossed. She married Naruto.
Rock Lee will have opened a training dojo that allows anyone who doesn’t have what it takes to be a ninja to have the skills to fight on equal grounds with them.
- Jossed
Tenten will… um… a weapons shop? She does something with weapons, right?
- Confirmed
Gaara will still be Kazekage, but will have voluntarily become the Jinchuuriki for the Ichibi again, although will be working to understand it as an individual to form a bond like Naruto and Kurama had.
Kankuro will be head of the Puppet Corps.
Temari will be the official diplomat between Leaf and Sand. She and Shikamaru will be dating/married.
- Confirmed, married with a child
- Jossed
- Confirmed
- Jossed
- Jossed
- Confirmed
- Confirmed, possibly Jonin.
- This idea became ridiculous as soon as you said Naruto is turned down for the position of Hokage on account of being a Genin.
- Why would Naruto be passed over for Kakashi, and why would they ever agree to let Obito become a Hokage after all the bad things he did?
- Jossed, Naruto does indeed become Hokage.
- Possibly Jossed, at least the first part, when Black Zetsu forces Obito to use the Rinne Tensei to resurrect Madara.
Second, remember that when Itachi used the Izanami, he mentioned that it was a technique specifically made for "punishing people who became complacent due to the use of the Izanagi" Considering that the Izanagi is a two use move, it seems kind of difficult to imagine people becoming overly reliant on it. Danzo is the only person we've seen use it more than once. However, the techniques were created back during the battles between all the clans, which was when Madara took his brother's eyes. It is never directly stated that this wasn't something that would have been commonly done back then, like if every time an Uchiha died in battle, his sharingan would be implanted into his sibling. If an Uchiha had the ability to use the Izanagi as much as they wanted without losing their eyesight, then it would become very easy for people to be overly reliant on it, and thus cause a reason for the Izanami to be made. However, the Uchiha were eventually repulsed by people like Madara, and no longer implanted eyes from their siblings, so without the ability to use the Izanagi or Izanami more than a few times the moves were declared forbidden.
If it is possible for someone with an EMS to use the Izanagi and Izanami repeatedly, then with Madara alive again it will give him the perfect trump card against the shinobi alliance when his eyes regenerate They'll simply kill him again and again, and he'll just keep coming back.
For example, consider the flashback montage where Kishimoto visualizes how the Izanagi can mess someone in the head, and how the Izanami works. The Uchiha that was affected by the Izanagi re-wrote reality to escape the female's abdomen cut/shot/death blow. Now, as we see Kabuto just standing there locked in Izanami, then the same might be said for the male Uchiha when the female trapped him in Izanami. (Which means the guy is, in real life, STILL BLEEDING from that shot).
Izanami traps the victim's consciousness inside a time loop, but not the victim's body. So, per example, if the body has received a fatal wound, before Izanami has been cast, then they will be caught standing, and bleeding to death. Now, if Izanami is cast BEFORE they are caught in the loop, then they may still survive.
The hypothesis is that eventually, Kabuto will break out of Izanami, after executing an emotional Heel–Face Turn and come to his senses, but not in time to help Naruto and the army fight off the Big Bad and The Plan. Bonus points if Kabuto's salvation occurs as the absolute last event in the Naruto canon.
(WMG date posted: 1/28/2014. Keep this in mind when editing)
Kabuto was saved by Izanami, and pulled a Heel–Face Turn as a result of it. He saves Sasuke's live and intends to team up with the alliance to save his home.
- Jossed. Gaara and Sakura reach Minato with no problem.
- This is beautiful.
- Jossed, it's Kabuto.
- See above theory.
Thematically, this might also put Naruto in contrast to Madara in a way that is somewhat similar to the Rikudou Senin's sons (Senju & Uchiha ancestors). Naruto will possess the "Will" of the 9 tail beast, while Madara has the "Power", and ultimately, like the two sons, the one who inherited the "Will" wins.
- To add to this at the end of chapter 660 Gyuki can be seen cutting off one of his tentacles so it is possible that Bee could have survived the same way he used to escape taka. Although this time it was reversed with most of Gyuki getting sealed and a small portion being left to keep Bee alive.
- And in a slightly more serious version of this: The unnamed Kirigakure nin in the first summit is Orochimaru's dad. He ended up betraying Kiri for whatever reason, sold them out to Konoha and settled down there. Because the guy seriously looks like Orochimaru without his eye markings. Furthermore, at the summit, every other kage brings the future second kage of their village. Mizukage brings some random guy? Seems a bit weird when Kishimoto could have just thrown the Nidaime Mizukage in there without anyone batting an eye.
Ok, just bear with me. Obito was never Jiraya's student officially, but he was Minato's student, who was Jiraya's. And after being defeated by Naruto, he says that he was "defeated by Jiraya's ideals". It may be that Obito was a student of Jiraya's teachings through both Minato and Naruto. And he will be the one to ultimately defeat Madara with the Reaper Seal.
Madara will undoubtedly recover his left eye. After that, Kakashi will die saving Obito, Naruto or Sasuke, and he will give Obito back his Sharingan. And Obito will awaken his Susanoo. And it will either be white, as a symbolism to Kakashi, or golden, after their sensei, Minato.
We know now that Gai's father opened the Eight Gates to save Gai and his team from the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist, and he clearly succeeded. Given Gai's size in the flashback, he was probably around Rock Lee's age, marking this as a few years after Kakashi became a jounin, maybe a decade before the start of the manga. Considering we know that all of Gai's team are/were still alive, we know that Dai beat them badly enough before his death that none of them were able to chase Gai's team down. We know that Zabuza was a member of the Seven Swordsmen at least long enough to be skilled with his blade when he attempted his coup, which was at least a few years before the Wave Arc. The timing would match up properly for that particular swordsman to die in this fight.
[spoiler: Ok while this is more than Far fetched I think that the clue's to this are building up. Because If you pay attention to Kaguya's Image when Naruto is talkng to the Sage inside his mind you see that it's turns into Madara and that the Sage himself said that he is becoming more and more like her. Now here's the interesting part, In 673 When Madara absorbed the Holy tree, Kagura's eye's a visible in one panel after he abosrbs it. Which could mean that she live's within or is the world tree or the Ten tails itself because the two are one and the same. So here the scary part, maybe she when so mad with power that she became a demon AKA the Ten Tail and that her two son's fought her in a fight that may have killed that The Sage's twin Brother and when she lost. the Sage then when and absorbed her and split her into the Tailed Beasts to stop her from returning ever again.
But what's more; She may even be manipulating Madara without Him realising it to do her biting and may have started the whole Senju/Uchiha Conflict by serectly infecting Indra with the her Chakra and the power of the Sharingan which drove him crazy with the power (he didn't earn the hard and right way unlike Ashura) when still whole and inside her son( SQUICK!!), and then made that the Ideology of the Uchiha to seek and lust for power until someone like Madara or Obito went and decided to use the Eye of the Moon plan Complete her Twisted plan for Total world peace. One reason why I made this hypothesis is because the Sage did not tell Naruto or Sasuke the story of how his mother died or how exactly the Holy tree became the Ten Tail or even how the "Sharinnegan" which she and now Sasuke now possess. another is because while Madara did explain alot of things about the past, I don't he when into alot of the details or if he was been a Subversion to being an Unreliable narrator. Only time will tell if this will be true, jossed or both.
P.s On a Side note I think that the Byakugan came form the brother of the Sage and that only Naruto and sasuke are now Immune to the Eternal Tsukuyomi]]
- That might make sense since the Shinju didn't immediately go berserk and try to murder Kaguya after she ate its' fruit to gain the power of chakra. That indicates that the Shinju wasn't able to transform into the Juubi at that time for some reason, maybe hinting that it wasn't even sentient then either. Considering that a tree's fruit is also the tree's seeds and that the Shinju only bears fruit once every 1,000 years, then it's possible that the Shinju has some sort of life cycle where it grows, bears fruit, dies, and then is reborn from its' fruit again. By eating its' fruit, Kaguya broke that cycle and in turn, the Shinju was reborn within her and thus SHE became the new Shinju and inadvertently gave it sentience through her. Then later on, when her physical body died, the new tree grew out from her corpse (think back to those 59 babies Orochimaru experimented on with Hashirama's cells and Danzo lost control of the Mokuton in his right arm, transformed into the Juubi and went on a rampage.
- Confirmed that it is her planning all along, though the other details are still WMG.
- The last bit is also confirmed, but only because the tablet was modified to make the technique the end-all that will save the Uchiha. It also was modified to include the instructions of how to perform it.
- That mean...she got pregnant by a tree / Eldrich Abomination.
- Jossed. Kaguya and the Ten-Tails are one and the same.
- Doubtful. If a Byakugan really is at all vital to the Plan, then Madara would have harvested at least couple by now. But on the otherhand, the fact that Kishimoto went out of his way to point out that Kaguya has the Byakugan is significant and shouldn't be overlooked... If this is true, then the good thing is they have a whole clan of Byakugan users standing around nearby.
- that's I said earlier and it would be a possibility because Naruto and Sasuke not only have to sages power now but also because Sharingan users and Jinchūriki have resistance(being the main word here) to Genjusu as well as the fact that the sage may have even been under the ET by his own mother at one point but fought off the effects but who knows. Also on a side note Now that we now know that the Byakugan came form Kaguya It's safe to say I will become a plot point soon enough, Perhaps Hinata will finally a more Important role soon.
- It would probably be her entire clan rather than just Hinata. She has the Byakugan, but she has nowhere NEAR the amount of power Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, & Kaguya have to be able to help out just on her own. Which, again, is a good thing her entire clan is just hanging around close by. It would likely be a combined effort by all living Hyuuga, perhaps with Hinata in the lead to show (especially to her father) that she IS more than worthy of being clan head.
- Partially confirmed. Black Zetsu was the one who initiated the takeover, and said takeover was completed after the plan succeeded.
- Or we see them leap at each other with Chidori and Rasengan... and it fades to white, and we never know the outcome.
- It seems like every Rinnegan has it's own unique ability, Limbo for Madara's eyes and Sasuke's teleportation ability, they'll probably pull out another ability using the Rinnegan if that's how the battle ends, since the Mangekyo has become almost redundant just like the Sharingan did.
- Confirmed! Except that he was actually Kaguya's will all along.
- But she has such an evil smile: [1]◊
- Wouldn't your smile look evil if you had blank white eyes and were seen in that context?
- Despite having good intentions in the beginning, she lost her mind due to the immense power and initiated the technique to absorb all the chakra in the world and turn everyone into White Zetsu servants.
- They tried, they failed.
Now it looks like Madara has set Kaguya free by casting the Tsukuyomi on to the moon (hence her slasher smile face looking over the world), and given the trend we have seen so far, they will soon dispose of Madara now that his purpose is served. Laser-Guided Karma.
- Going on this, if the Curse of Hatred that started with Indra was indeed the work of Kaguya corrupting him, then I believe the major reason Sasuke was the first and only reincarnation of Indra to overcome the Curse of Hatred was because Madara had infused Kaguya's will (thinking it was his own) to create Black Zetsu before his reincarnation cycle ended. Thus when Indra's chakra reincarnated again in the next cycle onto Sasuke, it did NOT carry Kaguya's will/corruption over with it. So even though Sasuke ultimately pulled a heel-face turn of his own choice/free will, it might have really helped that he would not have Kaguya influencing him.
- For Bonus points, Kaguya will appear and reveal the full story written on the stone tablet and why Hagoromo even revealed the secret of the infinite tsukuyomi at all (when you look at it he could have avoided it if he kept his mouth shut, but for some reason he didn't). The sage claims he left it to warn his descendants, probably because he was trying to warn them of Kaguya's plans to use the Rinnegan and the power of the Tsukuyomi to make all chakra into one and revive her. The reason of that is that because Kaguya was the origin of all the chakra in the world, when all the chakra in the world becomes one, it will bring out Kaguya's chakra the same way mixing Indra and Ashura's chakra brought out Hagoromo's rinnegan and Kaguya will use that to revive her powers after using Madara's rinnegan to revive herself.
- Turns out Black Zetsu edited the monument to favor the Infinite Tsukuyomi, meaning no matter how thoroughly Madara deciphered it, he would get the opposite of Hagoromo's warning and be manipulated into reviving Kaguya anyways.
- Yeah. One reason why the Eye of the moon plan may have begun now is because Hashirama possess Wood style with may be key in controlling the ten tails and using the last part of the IT as well as absorbing Chakra. Kaguya may waited for the time were one of the descendent's of Asura or Indra to be born wiht wood style and their fore allowing her to finally begin her plans. Also Hashirama is no one lie about such things as killing Madara during their last battle so it's possible She brought Him back form the dead without his knowledge to carry out her will and that his second(?) death was to avoid suspicion and have Obito carry out a Batman Gambit to set all of the plans in motion.
- Originally at some point, she got too Drunk on her God level Power and decided the only way to stop wars was to wipe out the world altogether and create a new one. And that's why the sage believes that if the chakra fruit is revived, Kaguya's chakra will arise again and the world will be destroyed.
- Now that kaguya will return, I think she will gain physical form in two way, Hijacking Madara and:
- Transform Him into her own true form since his has the ten tails and the rinnegan. Hens Delivering the ultimate Karmicdeath by Bodyhorror and becoming whatyouhate.
- the other is to use black zetsu to suck Madara dry and hijacking Hinata become she may be resisting the IT and also because she has the buyakugan as well as the fact their are both women.
- Building up on all the above theories, it was actually Kaguya's body that was the Shinju tree that was manifested on the battlefield (which explains why the Ten Tails could be revived by Madara a second time while the original tree still stood). Kaguya is actually immortal after eating the fruit (if Madara could boast of immortality, then it's very possible Kaguya is too). If a part of a person can survive and reincarnate via their chakra, then Kaguya will be revived if a new chakra fruit is created. So Kaguya tells Madara to absorb the tree which means she entered his body and that's what gave him her third eye. With all the chakra of the world gathering into one under Madara's wood release, Kaguya's chakra is restored to full power. Now she can turn Zetsu into her will and use her presence within Madara to control his body, which is what we are seeing now.
- The Juubi didn't really seem to be so intelligent that it could speak in complete sentences. It's possible that when Kaguya's sons decided to stop her plans to control the world with the Infinite Tsukuyomi, she merged with the tree and this caused it to turn into the Ten Tails. Or Kaguya was defeated and absorbed by the Ten Tails, which was not enough to get back it's fruit as Kaguya's chakra had now gone to both her sons. That could explain how she could have put her will through Madara to manifest Black zetsu because at that time she was still part of the ten Tails.
- Those tools are ridiculously overpowered and are able to capture a person's soul using the word most spoken by them and require ridiculous levels of chakra just to handle them once, which is at a whole new level beyond anything we've seen. Why would such a powerful sealing technique be required? Because it was meant to seal either Kaguya or tails, most probably Kaguya because she's human her soul could be captured by a technique this powerful. However Madara first spit out the tools and then his forehead protector just so accidentally happened to fall on Tenten's scrolls. Probably this pierced one of them and her spirit / will, was set free. Is it me or was Madara defeated by sheer accident?
- Bonus points if those tools will be able to seal her away at the end for good.
- An interesting hypothesis. She was a princess who eventually began to be feared as a demon. The dead demon looks like what she would become after turning into an evil witch, growing old and her soul banished to the role of the Shinigami after her death. In fact take a look at the Shingami Mask - rather resembles an old, evil witch doesn't it? Besides we've seen her in a flashback in pose not unlike the Shinigami. Perhaps that was her punishment for eating the forbidden fruit. But here's an even better idea. Kaguya Death Note, the Shinigami are beings that keep prolonging their life span by killing humans (i.e. basically causing death among people). Kaguya was so drunk with power that she wanted to be truly immortal and became the dead demon so that she could live using the deaths of people throughout history to prolong her lifespan. Perhaps this was the true secret of the Curse of Hatred — Shinigami in Japanese folklore induce people to have suicidal thoughts. Kaguya works a little differently - she possesses and corrupts people to inherit deep hatred. While hatred induces the Ninja world at war, the Uchiha, beginning with Indra inherited the Shinju's chakra and are prone to demonic corruption. By inducing Indra's descendants fall into the curse of hatred to kill each other and their enemies to gain more power, Kaguya kept prolonging her lifespan as the Shinigami and waited for the time when one of Indra's reincarnations fell victim to enough hatred that they would awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan and understand the secret of the Infinite Tsukuyomi to control the whole world — and that person happened to be Madara.
- In fact, The description of Shinigami in The Other Wiki throws up something very interesting. "...In the Ehon Hyaku Monogatari from Tenpō 12 (1841), there was a story titled "Shinigami," but in this one, the shinigami was the spirit of a deceased one and had bad intent, and acting in jointly with the malicious intent already within people who were living, those people were led on bad paths, which caused repeat incidents to occur at places where there was previously a murder incident, for example by causing the same suicide at places where people have hung themselves before,[14] and thus these shinigami are somewhat like a possession that would cause people to want to die..." and "..in the kabuki Mekuranagaya Umega Kagatobi by Kawatake Mokuami in Meiji 19 (1886), a shinigami enters into people's thoughts, making them think about bad things they have done and want to die..." Now replace suicide with revenge and this sounds eerily similar to how the curse of hatred works . What if Kaguya's spirit became the Shinigami after she died - unable to truly die and move on as punishment for eating the forbidden Chakra fruit — or perhaps on purpose as part of her plan to revive herself and attain immortality ? Perhaps this is also the reason for the massive Generation Xerox that has been happening among Indra's and Asura's reincarnations too.
- Oh and her pose with arms stretched out is a possible representation of her "spiritual" crucification kind of punishment.
- Because we explicitly don't know why yet◊. Not even Hagoromo knows. Only the Shinju and perhaps Kaguya themselves know. One idea is that the Shinju is reborn from the fruit every thousand years. Another could be is that the fruit is some accumulation of special chakra that the Shinju cannot contain for some reason, but which it is very desperate to get back. The fruit probably contains power that the Shinju cannot control, as it will make a person who eats it even stronger than itself. Or maybe it works like this.
- Hinata is the reincarnation of Kaguya.
- Good lord, no! Don't give Naruto a reason to avoid her after the fact!
- Okey while we all know that the Sharingan is fuelled by hate born out of love. One has to wonder what drove Kaguya to start using the IT and go from a wellintentionedextremist to a near sociopathic dictator. One reason is that she may have been the first one to succumb to the curse of hated because her lover and the father of the sage of the six paths was killed in one of the very few events where she was totally powerless and hens that hate created the third eye and may have even mutated her into the ten tails.
- Or the fact that she ate the fruit meant she succumbed to hatred in the long run as a consequence. Probably like a Pandora's box, Kaguya introduced a special hatred into the world and eventually became victim to it. It's likely that Indra and then his descendants are vulnerable to extreme hatred because Indra favoured his grandmother's methods and therefore was more attuned to her. However this allowed Kaguya's hatred to spread through the chakra he had inherited from her, causing him to fall to the curse of hatred and passing it on to the Uchiha.
- To ensure that the Infinite Tsukuyomi cannot be undone.
- Wouldn't that make it easier to undo?
- You'd need the moon to cast the justu to stop it, won't you? How are they going to do that if she blows up the moon?
- Hagoromo simply sealed the Gedo Mazo into it. But Kaguya created it to complete her infinite Tsukuyomi
- Raiga was made canon in the Manga despite first appearing in the Manga so why not the Zero Tails? The Zero Tails in my theory was once as powerful as the Ten Tails before having it's power split into Satori, the Kamenjū, the Three-Headed Guardian Beast and the Light Dragon with it's body being left powerless like the Ten Tails' body was yet unlike the Ten Tails it retained it's sentience and still be capable of movement. When all 7 split parts of itself are reunited the Zero Tails will take it's true form and fight Kaguya.
- There's also the possibility that someone may decide to become it's Jinchuriki becoming equal to Kaguya causing a three way battle featuring two opposing Big Bads fighting each other and Naruto and Sasuke.
- Orochimaru is possessing a Zetsu and since Kaguya's Infinite Tsukuyomi creates Zetsu the jutsu will ultimately reject Orochimaru and cast him out allowing him to locate all the components of the Zero Tails and use them to become their Jinchūriki.
- Because he's far too cool a Villain to die all of a sudden and it's kind of a let down that he went out without any resistance.
- And he shouldn't go without figuring out his connection to Indra and Sasuke.
- He got absorbed by Kaguya, so he'll figure out a way to attack her from the inside.
- Madara will do an Obito and pull a Heel–Face Turn now that he realizes he was totally deceived.
- He'll be spat out by Kaguya like Majin Buu. After Kaguya's defeat he'll be on the ground, paralyzed and no longer the Ten tails' host, express repentance to Hashirama and do a Rinne Tensei no jutsu to atone for his crimes. Sasuke gets his eyes.
- With the other half of the juubi's power in him, no less. Waiting for the day his mother would revive to stop her for good.
- So they won't have free will to fight each other.
- Which could explain how he survived. If you take a close look at this panel, you can see that just after defeating Madara, Hashirama senses something above and a black substance comes from the sky, however he dismisses it as he was too exhausted to continue. Now we can conclude that this is Kaguya's black Zetsu, having waited for years to find someone who wants to enact the Eye of the Moon plan. Once Hashirama departs, Black Zetsu enters into Madara and revives him, though Madara himself is not aware of how he survived. Madara proceeds with his plan, and it's probably by the influence of Zetsu that he comes up with the idea of creating White Zetsus using Hashirama's cells. Later, when Madara believes he created Black Zetsu, what he really did was to simply release Kaguya's Zetsu from his body before he died. This also means Kishi planned Madara's defeat a long long time ago and for Kaguya to be the main villain.
- Bonus points if Kaguya also figured out beforehand that Indra or his reincarnations may attempt to recreate the Rinnegan and read Hagoromo's tablet, and planned for Black Zetsu to assist them in the plan.
- CONFIRMED! It was Black Zetsu who rescused Madara's body alright. What is jossed is that Zetsu did not enter into Madara's body - Madara revived himself. Also confirmed is that Black Zetsu did assist Madara in creating the Rinnegan - by completely rewriting the text on the tablet so that it would look like the Infinite Tsukuyomi would save the world, which Madara dutifully followed.
- The Shinigami has horns similar to Kaguya, his hair is like a combination of Hagoromo's and Kaguya's, and his style of clothing is similar to the two's. It would give Hamura big enough impact on the manga, to equal his mother and brother. Not to mention, The 'Dead Demon Consuming Seal' jutsu that summons Shinigami, with it requiring sacrificing oneself, serves as a great antithesis to Madara'a and Kaguya's methods of sacrificing others. Hamaru was the first user of this jutsu, and became the entity tied to it, the Shinigami.
- That would explain why the Uzumaki clan had a mask allowing them to control the Shinigami without being fatal depending on how they use it.
Kaguya was going to exempt her family from the Infinite Tsukuyomi and have them rule with her, but Hagoromo and Hamura disagreed and stopped the genjutsu with the Rinnegan. This falling out caused Kaguya to become paranoid about trusting others with chakra, which made her jump further off the slippery slope, if such a thing were even possible.
If Kaguya knew how Sasuke and Naruto care about Sakura, she might take her body and make the difficult more difficult for the two. Not only that but Sakura's self healing powers combined with Kaguya's chakura would make her invincible.
- It word work to have Naruto do the Take a Third Option where he stops Kaguya *and* saves Sakura, but Sasuke has shown he doesn't care if Sakura dies, that was a major point in her development in a previous chapter. Sasuke would kill Sakura to get to Kaguya.
- If she does, then she essentially is just the Shadow Queen from Paper Mario.
- Wouldn't he need DNA from everyone in the world, meaning that even if he did sacrifice every zetsu, people who died before the war might be revived instead.
- This can't happen. Can you imagine the massive lawsuits leveled against against them from the deaths caused by literally blowing the roofs off millions of houses worldwide? On a serious note without some serious Power Creep, Power Seep in action this would be terrible. The power scale between Naruto and Dragonball is something like a gerbil vs a grizzly bear. Assuming he didn't get caught in a genjutsu Krillin (Circa Frieza Saga) could probably take Madara with minimal problems. Even at (what we assume) is the end of Naruto people are impressed by destroying mountain ranges. By the time the Cell Saga starts it's brought up several times that you can't aim down (Vegeta's Final Flash, Cell v Goku Kamehameha and Goku v Cell Instant Transmission Kamehameha) because you'll destroy the Earth itself. Though I wouldn't put it beyond the writers to directly mention that each reality is different and hilarity ensues while the heroes try to adapt to the rules. Raditz was the last guy Goku had to fight without being able to fly consistently and Naruto can't fly at all. That alone might pay for the deaths caused from the aforementioned blown roofs from the announcement.
- What's more Orochimaru is Hagoromo's reincarnation and was taken over by Hagoromo's mind right at the start and manipulating things so that he would regain his original form. By possessing a Zetsu he would be able to bond with Kaguya and have the Zetsu turned into Hagoromo due to the nature of Infinite Tsukuyomi. Sasuke was a chance to gain three full powered Rinnegans so he made use of him at least until Itachi derailed that plan when he sent one of Hagoromo's Orochimaru manifestations into an unbreakable genjutsu before it could possess Sasuke.
- Naru Hina becomes canon, Shika Temari is another couple that becomes canon as well among other popular ships. I saw a WMG on something along the lines of one version would handle shippings and the other would not(I think?) The final movie would be the one to handle the shipping, not the anime or the manga.
- Hiashi will turn over control of the Hyuuga clan to Hinata. Hinata resigns from front line duty after getting married and assuming control of the Hyuuga clan, and Hanabi takes her place on Team 8, see above WMG about tracking ninja.
- Sasuke WILL NOT be in the movie due to dying in the manga and/or anime(if it happens). He dies due to what happened in manga chapter 691
- OP here: The Sasuke part is jossed - Sasuke appears to be in the movie◊
- Counter-WMG: "Sasuke" is a ghost, hallucination, dream, lookalike, etc. He looks like he's got some chains, maybe he's got some kind of Jacob Marley thing going on.
- OP here: The Sasuke part is jossed - Sasuke appears to be in the movie◊
- Jashin will be the villain, since he might be the only thing capable of posing a threat after the war.
- A way to give the film a villain with pathos (instead of a new random threat that everyone just forgot to mention existed), solve the shipping wars, AND deconsruct DieForOurShip in one fell stroke. Namely, Naruto lets her down as gently as possible (because even if he doesn't love Hinata, that doesn't mean he would be a jerk to her), but the rejection causes Hinata to go mad and swear vengeance not only on Naruto, but the village and people he loves so much. She's also going to take several levels in badass during the time skip in order to be a credible threat. Ultimately, she's a tragic villain warped by hatred and who's similarities to the way Sasuke's hatred consumed him will not go unnoticed by the cast.
- That just doesn't work, if for no other reason than Naruto has been immune to Gentle Fist attacks since he beat Neji. Now that he knows senjutsu, he doesn't even need to have access to Kurama's chakra to overwhelm a chakra block and force his chakra points open. Now if Hinata was possessed by some super-powered evil like Kaguya, that would be a different story.
- In her current state, Hinata is clearly no match for any of the main cast. However, what if she found something or someone that could make her a match for Naruto, such as freeing Kaguya, or coming across something related to the Ten Tails that would allow her to fight the main cast on an even keel? Considering the lengths that she would go to for vengeance, looking for such a thing would not be out of the question.
- Concept Art hints that the Big Bad is actually a descendant of Hamura Otsutsuki, the Sage of the Six Paths' brother, and kidnaps Hanabi. What if Hinata is the new villain's woman on the inside? She has every motivation to want to kidnap Hanabi, the chosen one of the clan than disowned her. She could easily set a trap with the rescue mission to lead Naruto to his death, getting her revenge on the boy that rejected her. And whatever the Big Bad is planning likely spells doom for Kohana, the village that did nothing to help her. She could easily become The Dragon to the main villain, and eventually either be taught the error of her ways, or if you want to enrage hardcore shippers, have her meet her end pursuing revenge.
- That just doesn't work, if for no other reason than Naruto has been immune to Gentle Fist attacks since he beat Neji. Now that he knows senjutsu, he doesn't even need to have access to Kurama's chakra to overwhelm a chakra block and force his chakra points open. Now if Hinata was possessed by some super-powered evil like Kaguya, that would be a different story.
He is actually an ancient being from the Sage's time and know Ninshuu. He gave Naruto the power to take jutsu away from a person and that's how Naruto will defeat Sasuke without killing him.
And if you think this should be a total rip-off of Avatar: The Last Airbender, you're probably right.
- And it will make just as little sense here as it did there. Still, I could see it happening.
- Though he's still counting on Naruto to guide Sasuke back to the light side so maybe he's still considering what to do.
- Nope, it's dumb and shows how little he learned from Itachi (or how poor Itachi's communication skills are).
- While a similar plan may have worked for Lelouch vi Britannia, Sasuke is no Lelouch. He's trying to go at it completely alone, manipulating every single person he can instead of having at least a small group aware of his intentions and aiding him in achieving them. Naruto could have been his Suzaku, but he clearly never thought of actually discussing his plan with his supposed equal like an adult would.
- Sasuke is driven to find things to blame the deaths of his clan and his brother on despite the fact that he essentially satisfied both things by killing Itachi and Danzo because of his despair-fueled Sharingan. At this point I'm sure if he killed every living thing on earth eventually something would sprout again so he'd go kill the sun, and when that didn't satisfy him he'd either create a black hole or try to stop the Big Bang. He won't stop until he's either dead or Sharingan- or Chakra-free, and Naruto's the only one who can do that — he's basically provoking Naruto into killing/sealing him because he can't stop his destructive ways.
- Sasuke wants to unite the ninja world a la the first Emperor of China, or at least the one depicted in Hero (2002): if the five ninja countries are united they won't fight and won't cause another ninja war.
- Sasuke wants to unite the ninja world a la Lelouche Lamperouge and become the target of everyone's hatred, and what could be more hate-inducing than killing the five Kages after they had already united and fought as a team to save the world?.
- Oh my god he's going for the last one! This might not have been quite so bad if the last two Big Bads hadn't copied their plans from other stories as well! Pain's plan to control all war is from Metal Gear and Obito's plan to trap all of humanity in a happy dream world was from The Matrix.
- The above is pretty much confirmed, as of chapter 694. Sasuke says he plans to bear the burden of everyone's hate, essentially becoming a lightning rod to unite the world in their hatred.
- Oh my god he's going for the last one! This might not have been quite so bad if the last two Big Bads hadn't copied their plans from other stories as well! Pain's plan to control all war is from Metal Gear and Obito's plan to trap all of humanity in a happy dream world was from The Matrix.
- Better yet this an elaborate Suicide by Cop so that he can kill Indra and end the cycle for good. Though of course there's a strong likelyhood that Naruto will rip Indra out of Sasuke's head and try to kill him though whether he'll pull it off right away without someone *cough*Orochimaru*cough* grabbing Indra's chakra for himself is another matter...
- The "him" in "try to kill him" means Indra, right? Also I thought Orochimaru was dead for good? Maybe Kabuto will nab Indra's powers then make a clone(?) of himself and make it literally insanely powerful... purely for the ouroboros symbolism.
- Orochimaru is alive and well inside the Infinite Tsukoyomi.
- Also, Anko still has her curse seal, so even if Orochimaru is killed again, he still has one more respawn left.
- Anko's mark was removed when Orochimaru came out of it.
- Orochimaru is alive and well inside the Infinite Tsukoyomi.
- Confirmed.
- She'll return to her old life with Shizune...OR Sasuke/Orochimaru/someone will end up killing her.
- OP here confirming she does "drop" the title, and Kakashi gets to become the sixth, but he gives it to Naruto, who becomes the seventh hokage.
- Because as Eiichiro Oda (the author of One Piece) once said, this is a boys comic. If you want romance, don't read comics for guys.
- Jossed: The manga does show Naruto x Hinata, among other characters during the end in the manga as shipped to other characters.
- Why wouldn't Naruto just disintergrate Orochimaru before he possesses him, Orochimaru has come back from a lot worse than disintegration with no real trouble and has a bunch of ways to resurrect himself, Orochimaru even admitted that he couldn't take over Sasuke and thats before his power ups, Naruto's way stronger than Sasuke was at that point.
- Well, if it happens right after he'd take over Tsunade, he probably wouldn't have had time for a backup plan.
- Orochimaru's meant to be smart, why would he try taking over Naruto right after taking over Tsunade and having at least 3 years to set up to possess Naruto.
- Why wouldn't Naruto just disintergrate Orochimaru before he possesses him, Orochimaru has come back from a lot worse than disintegration with no real trouble and has a bunch of ways to resurrect himself, Orochimaru even admitted that he couldn't take over Sasuke and thats before his power ups, Naruto's way stronger than Sasuke was at that point.
- Jossed: Concept Art hints that the Big Bad is actually a descendant of Hamura Otsutsuki, the Sage of the Six Paths' brother. Based on the fact he kidnaps Hanabi, and also has a byakugan himself, along with his general outfit-theme.
- So the story ends in a completely different medium? That would be a slap in the face to fans of the manga that never bothered with the anime for whatever reason, and may not be available to them. Not to mention, completely ignoring shipping, making the Naruto/Hinata relationship plausible in a two hour relationship when next to zero development was given to it by the manga would ensure that the film would have devote nearly all its time to it (rather than build off of the manga) and be a love story on the level of Titanic to make the relationship plausible. I don't see it.
- No development. Right. Sorry. To try to avoid being offensive I'll say this. Given what has happened in the manga AND the fact that we get a time skip. It seems completely plausible.
- No, no, no, that's not what I meant. What I meant is, let's say someone's a loyal reader of what is possibly one of the most popular comics in the entire world. And you get to the last chapter, and there is no hint of who he ends up with, not even a slight development. No, to get that, you have to go watch the movie. A movie that may not be available in your territory for several months at earliest and that may only be if you resort to...unsavory methods. Wouldn't you as a reader feel jipped?
- Only if you cared about his love life, the focus has never been on romance at all, it's pretty unlikely that it would end with Naruto having a harem, so only one shipping faction would be satisfied by a hint and then there would be some non-shippers who would be annoyed at the inclusion of something pointless.
- OP Now I get what you are saying. I respect your point, and I personally wouldn't care as much because I follow both the manga and the anime, but that's just me.
- No development. Right. Sorry. To try to avoid being offensive I'll say this. Given what has happened in the manga AND the fact that we get a time skip. It seems completely plausible.
- Confirmed. Developing Naruto and Hinata's relationship is the whole point of the movie.
- I'm guessing that Naruto will regrow their arms like he made Kakashi a new eye.
- Naruto can regenerate any injury as long as he has Kurama's chakra to draw on. The only reason Naruto still couldn't move by morning was because Kurama too had passed out from exhaustion. I expect Naruto to be 100% within a week.
- Jossed: They get Senju cell prosthetics like Obito did.
- Bolt x Sarada is getting quite popular as of now, I am not sure about other ships.
- The above said "crack" pairings, not highly plausible ones.
- Bolt x Sarada is getting quite popular as of now, I am not sure about other ships.
- Another contribution to that theory is her interest in prank pulling. Naruto and Kushina pulled pranks in their youths, so maybe mischievousness is genetic in the Uzumaki clan.
- Doesn't explain Sarada sharing Sakura's eye shape and Forehead of Doom, though.
- Or it was Karin.
Basically, it will involve a villain trying to reenact Infinite Tsukuyomi without using Tailed Beasts using some Reality Warper magic artefact. Naruto is somehow immune to this and ends up in a world where he married Sakura, Sasuke married Hinata, Shikamaru ended with Ino, Sai ended with Tenten and so on. Naruto is also much weaker in this Universe's backstory to stop him from resolving the plot in 15 minutes with Flying Raijin. Expect a Recycled Script to go with the Recycled Premise.
By this theory, Karin and Sasuke got together some time before Sasuke and Sakura married and had Sarada, but Karin died, and Sakura later adopted Sarada.
You never see who Chojuro's bodyguard is for some reason. My bet's on Suigetsu - same village, and Seven Swordsmen of the Mist connections. Otherwise it's probably some Kirigakure fodder.
- Orochimaru and Kabuto confirmed for Boruto manga.
That is one clue to her being a hateful bitch. the second is that Harogomo did not gain the Sharingan but his son Indra did. Considering the Sharingan and it's fused Rinnegan hybrid which only Kaguya possessed, it is a symptom of crazy hatred. But Indra was manipulated by Black Zetsu into going against his family. So Indra may have been a lonely, perhaps arrogant but also extremely loving person that was twisted by Black the same way Madara was. So if Indra was capable of extreme love, then so is Kaguya and one has to wonder. What triggered her madness? In fact it ties in perfectly that she was good in the beginning but when crazy with hatred.
Lastly in a more symbolic sense. When Kaguya and Black Zetsu got sealed for good and Naruto redeemed Sasuke, he had saved the world from her hatred twofold. One: He and Sasuke defeat the real offenders to this thousand+ years old crime. and Two: Forgave and saved a one of the victims of this madness, who was being self-destructive and in a position to choose perpetuating the vicious cycle and truly ending up like his predecessors or accept it is over and find peace, choosing to treat the Jerkass Woobie as the Woobie, rather then the Jerkass, saving the world form a vicious cycle that has nearly ruined it over a very long time
So in a nutshell Kaguya is the source of hatred of the Uchihas and, indirectly, the world of Naruto.
When the Rabbit head spits out Madara after Kaguya is sealed I wondered were did the Rabbit Head go. did it get sucked back into the Gendo Statue or did it get free and is on the loose. Having Kaguya living as a tailed Beast with vengeance on her mind is a very bad thing to think over.
He never uses Tailed Beast Version. 2 or the form of the tailed beast when wild(with skin, bones and other features) that Bee is able to use. So it means he have still to use the Nine Tails to its full potential. He managed to use the complete form on Road to Ninja, but the canon of that movie is highly debatable. So his tranining is incomplete.
- Hatred was the key to using the darker forms of the Kyuubi's power. For reasons not explained, not having any hatred when using the Kyuubi's power results in the Golden Super Mode instead.
Naruto noted after her defeat that he didn't like sealing her away again, showing just how forgiving he can be. Also it's not impossible to think that even if she was sealed, her son Hagoromo couldn't help her return as a good person, especially since he has the reality bending power to visit people from beyond the grave seemingly whenever he wants.
- Sarada is Karin's child but Sasuke is not her father, suggesting she was taken in after her mother's death when Sarada was too small to know. This could put Sasuke and Sakura in a very noble light, especially if any relationship towards Karin ultimately turned antagonistic.
- Sasuke is not directly the father. Instead, we'd have Karin using the services of Orochimaru, Inc to impregnate herself with Sasuke's child. Mostly found this idea hilarious because it means that not only was Sasuke not there to be a father for his child, he wasn't there to father his child. It'd be like that episode of Moral Orel where the priest learned he had a daughter because a stalker took his tissue filled trash can.
If Kishimoto is either trolling his fans with false drama or trolling them by changing the results of the epilogue, Naruto and Hinata's relationship will be put in doubt next chapter. Watch as Sarada(trying to seek answers) or Bolt himself see Naruto ignoring his wife, acting suspicious around Sakura(probably even keeping a clone around her), and there is a montage of Hinata pregnant that is revealed to be really Sakura pregnant.
Should this come true... fanfiction writers, get ready to tear your hair out.
At the same time, this would give rise to a reason behind why Sarada will become Bolt's rival. She would be jealous that Bolt is the one Sasuke takes under his wing; this may be supported by Sarada's glasses—perhaps he never meant for her to suffer the curse that comes with a Sharingan, and so would rather train Bolt.
This would also mean Bolt's signature move may be a special variant of the Chidori.
- Confirmed! Boruto will be using a form of Chidori as revealed in the second trailer
- They function similarly to actual genetics, if not being outright tied to genetics. Either they're recessive traits and thus it depends on both parents being able to pass the kekkei genkai gene downnote , or they start off as recessive, but can somehow be changed to dominant if an individual's chakra has certain qualitiesnote .
- The "type" of release (Lava Release, Ice Release, Dark Release, etc.) is actually a classification rather than that release's specific name. This allows multiple kekkei genkais to be classified as the same release, even if they're not the same. For example, looking at Lava Release, we have Mei Terumi's acidic mud, Son Goku's magma, Iwagakure's quicklime, and Dodai's vulcanised rubber. If we factor out Son Goku for not sharing human genetics, this indicates that there are multiple types of Lava Release, none of which are actually lava or magma. They could be produced by having the two base natures in different proportions, such as Terumi being 25% fire/75% earth and Dodai being 75% earth/25% fire, for example.note
- Jossed, Sarada is Sakura and Sasuke's daughter and Karin was the midwife who delivered her. The glasses were a souvenir from her, no idea how she knew Sarada needed glasses though.
- Instead of bringing back the fruit as was instructed, she ate it with the intention of bringing peace to the world with her newfound power. Momoshiki caught wind of this and, with Kinshiki, attempted to kill Kaguya for betraying the clan. Kaguya barely managed to defeat them using the Shinju's power, and they fled to find another Shinju to counter her. She feared that they could be even more powerful than her if they found one, and that fear started getting to her head. She lost a lot of her chakra to birthing her two sons, but accepted it as long as they were with her. She finally snapped once they left, and 1) fused with the Shinju in an attempt to overpower and take back the chakra her two sons had, and 2) performed Infinite Tsukuyomi to amass an army of White Zetsu to prepare for Momoshiki's and Kinshiki's return.
- Kakashi Hatake: Kakashi means scarecrow and Hatake is field, so together 'scarecrow in the field.' Now, what does a scarecrow do? It just stands there and wards off enemies through sheer presence, but nothing else. Just like Kakashi was a great asset in making sure Team 7 survived to part 2, but all his students got their main arsenal and world perspectives from someone else.
- Sakura Haruno: Sakura is a term usually associated with the cherry blossom tree. While a stunning figure, it's still just a tree. It just stands there, not really affecting what goes on around it besides sometimes being in the way. Much like the character herself most of the time.
- Sasuke Uchiha: Since the name Sasuke is an explicit to classical Japanses tales, ala Sasuke Sarutobi the great ninja, is foreshadowing on his ability. The Uchiha also have a fan as their symbol, which while sometimes innocent, iron fans were also used as covert weapons, ala devious and underhanded, or sometimes just clubs made to look like closed fans, hence subtle until threatened, because a club is by no means subtle.
- Naruto Uzumaki: While some like to take quick pot-shots at the alternate food meaning name, it should be remembered that there is in fact a city named Naruto famous for whirlpools. Coincidence? I think not. It should be also be noted that in the beginning of the series and throughout (though slowly toned down over time) that Naruto is incredibly arrogant and selfish. Yep, there. I said it.
- Naruto continued: While Sasuke is a combo of off-beat confidence and the arrogant martial artist, Naruto starts off by being weak with only personal concerns in his mind, after all, remember that in the beginning he only wanted to be Hokage for himself and it was only later it became about protecting people. He gets better, sorta, but lets face if he had been made Hokage for whatever reason before Haku rammed some character development (opinions of which should be discussed elsewhere) down his throat, he probably would have renamed Konohagakure Naruto and had it painted orange.