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openCharacter Derailment questions
I was planning on some additions and cleanup of Character Derailment. I have some questions about the following first:
- Came Back Wrong: If that's used to explain/handwave the change, how explicitly must the work state/portray that as the reason to disqualify it from Derailment?
- Characterization Marches On / Early-Installment Weirdness: How far back/much can this disqualify Derailment as they have yet to properly establish a character to derail? If the changes create continuity error is that enough to count.
- As a YMMV, is it worth noting other factors that caused it to be criticized as it was?
I was planning on removing this example.
- Erol in the ''VideoGame/JakAndDaxter'' series starts out as TheDragon to Baron Praxis, Jak's opponent in Haven City's races and his rival for Keira's affection. He seemingly dies when he tries to run Jak down with his vehicle, only to crash into a large stash of Eco and explode. Sure, he may already have been evil in that game, but in the next game, he [[BackFromTheDead returns from the dead]] [[WeCanRebuildHim as a cybernetic]] OmnicidalManiac who wants to TakeOverTheWorld. Though it could be argued his sudden character change from Jak 2 to Jak 3 might be due to either suffering serious head trauma from the accident(half his head is missing!), the dark eco he crashed into badly affected his mind like what it did to Gol and Maia Acheron or the Dark Makers were actually using him as a puppet and had some kind of control over him. Unfortunately the game never gives us an explanation to why Erol's sudden change in character and Jak kills him for good right at the end so we never get to know.
He first died trying to kill Jak as revenge for losing a race, so the vengefulness part was there. Everything else sounds like it would be sufficient to explain the change. Hard the entry is explaining how the change is explainable/justifiable. Does Derailment require the change seem impossible form what's presented to audiences?
openInfamous 2 Broken Aesop Entry Main Page Videogame
Infamous 2 has an entry for Broken Aesop with the majority of its text spoilered on its main page under the "main game" folder that I reposted (very awkwardly) below - I'm not sure if it's supposed to be here, since I'm used to seeing this on the YMMV page despite Broken Aesop not technically being listed on the YMMV subpage. Is this a valid entry? (It seems very weirdly done/argued as an entry and seems to work from a specific point of view only.
Broken Aesop: If you pick the ‘good’ path, you die, screw over ALL the power users, both good and bad, and the sequels leave the door open for the Beast / plague coming back into existence. Lastly, Zeke, your expy for regular humanity is hardly sympathetic. If you pick the ‘bad’ option, yeah, the number of deaths increase, but they were already high under the ‘good’ option anyways. The plague / Beast threats persist, but the surviving humans will be proactively immune to it. Lucy is way more sympathetic than Zeke. Humanity gets the doors thrown wide open for future possibilities. Its essentially a new age for humanity.
Edited by shroudstalkerdetectiveopenImage Not Uploading
Hello! I have been attempting to add an image on the Little Nightmares II Nightmare Fuel page. The HTML for the image cannot be edited once you crop the image, and it won't show up on the page at all. Are other people having this issue?
openFilm.LaColonia has multiple titles?
Film.La Colonia has multiple titles?
Wikipedia: Colonia / The Colony, Page Image: Colonia Dignidad◊, and the page title itself, all disagree.
openAlice_Luna... Again
So uh... Remember Alice_Luna? That troper who went on an image-changing spree on numerous anime character pages without discussion from Image Pickin'? Well, they're at it again on Characters.Negima Second Season, and as recently as July this year. See page history.
open Unauthorized creator article
We received a request to delete the Samson Cordier article for being defamatory towards the individual in question. That ordinarily would not be a valid reason, but in reviewing it (I won't say "reading"), I see a number of problems.
- The article and subpages are only in French. All wiki articles must be in English first, with translated versions second.
- In my extremely limited understanding of French, it seems to mainly be talking about this person rather than his work, and in a very negative way.
- The article does not list any works that the creator has made, nor does it link to any works he is involved with. This is also an explicit policy violation.
I nominate this for a cut unless someone has a reasonable objection.
open No Adds Message
I'm very late on mentioning this but a few weeks ago I got a message saying that I was viewing the site without adds but I wasn't paying for it. I don't know why this happened but I hadn't noticed the lack of adds until then. I'm not sure what is causing it or what to do about it but I'd like the adds back so I can support the site.
EDIT nevermind I fixed the problem, it was the inbuilt adblock on Nord VPN
Edited by papyru30openHow do you add a video to a page?
How do you add a video example? Is it complicated or simple? Can you just have a link, or you need to put the video on TV tropes first?
open Commenting out examples
Larry Mullen has been either commenting out examples of Values Dissonance and Values Resonance on the YMMV pages of works less than 20 years old, or readded examples that were deleted, commenting them out.
I'm not sure if this is okay, or if they should be deleted.
Sorry if this is acceptable...
Edited by fraggleloveropenIs This Acceptable?
I've seen a few pages list two related tropes after one bullet point, after which there is an explanation for both tropes. Here's an example of what I mean from PandoraHearts:
- Dark Is Not Evil and Light Is Not Good: Alice, the black rabbit, is the heroine of the story, while the Will Of Abyss, the white rabbit, isn't someone you want to stumble upon... Seriously.Ditto for Oz for being the real B-Rabbit and Jack Vessalius who is instigator of the plot for his obessive love for the twins mother Lacie. However, the Light Is Not Good part is subverted, as the Intention of the Abyss turns out not to be so bad. Also, Hope is a major reoccurring theme and often compared to Light in-story.
I know this example has some grammar issues to begin with, which I will fix, but I wanted to address the odd formatting decision in general. This isn't okay, right?
openFixing Trope Format
I wrote an example for Nice Mean And In Between on a work's page. It links to the correct trope, but for some reason the trope appears as "Nice Mean And In Between," which is definitely not grammatically correct. (As you can see, I unfortunately did this again when I linked the trope here.)
I know it's supposed to show as Nice, Mean, and In-Between. I'm not sure what I'm doing that's messing this up. How do I fix it?
Edited by CyokieRevottopenRequest feedback Film
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/SuperDeluxe
Hello, new Troper here. I just created my first article for Super Deluxe and would like article feedback. (If you're not familiar with the film, it's available on Netflix with subtitles.)
openBisexual Tropes
I've been looking through the list of bisexuality tropes and have a question. If there's a character who doesn't fit a particular stereotype but is bisexual, what can be done to indicate this? I'm aware you can't use Main pages, which is why I'm asking.
openIntentional Shoehorn Outside of TV Tropes
I know that Square Peg, Round Trope is used to prevent shoehorning on this site, but is there anything against doing it intentionally even outside of this site. (i.e. One thing that I like to do when playing Star Wars Battlefront II (2017) is refer to moments where a dark side faction such as the Separatists or Empire wins a multiplayer match as a Darkest Hour, but can that trope really apply to moments such as these in multiplayer games like Battlefront II, even if (as is the case with Star Wars) it's clear who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?)
Edited by PatrickD95openFranchise Orignal Sin misuse?
- Best Wishes was initially rather well-received by the Western fandom when it first aired, due to its brisk pacing and the B-Plot involving Team Rocket igniting people's interest, a fact which is largely forgotten since the Ending Fatigue at the end. Fact is that many of its problems were apparent from the start; Ash was rebooted to an Idiot Hero, Cilan and Iris were divisive supporting characters due to the narrative attempting to portray them as replacements for Brock and Misty, Team Rocket's narrative was a drastic change in characterizationnote Their transition to more serious characters was better received outside Japan (most infamously their voice actors, Megumi Hayashibara, Shin-ichiro Miki, and Inuko Inuyama, expressed Creator Backlash over the transition), due to their comedy in the Advanced Generation and Diamond and Pearl seasons being more tolerable and interesting in Japan than in America, though even in America where it was popular, fans of Dogasu's Backpack still use the terminology that the trio's seriousness made them "boring, emotionless drones"., the Team Plasma plotline wasn't immediately launched and finally the pacing was too fast (with Ash's badge quest skimming over the larger roles of the Gym Leaders in the games). The flaws simply became more apparent once the interesting things failed to pan out in the end. Ironically, overtime Best Wishes has become more respected as the opposite of this trope; though not considered good, it started many trends that were well received in the following seasons.
- The "villain team" in Pokémon Sun and Moon, Team Skull, aren't actually the villains of the game—most of them are either Laughably Evil or outright Harmless Villains, and the true Big Bads of the game are the Aether Foundation. At the time, reaction to this was largely positive, since it was a twist the series had never attempted before, and having the "evil team" not actually be the evil team was a refreshing spin on an old formula. When this was then repeated with Team Yell and Macro Cosmos in Pokémon Sword and Shield, fans were much more lukewarm, as eam Yell was so obviously harmless (being Football Hooligans who never do much more than stand in the way and call out their support for Marnie), and Chairman Rose so Obviously Evil, that it made most of the scenes with the former come across as filler.
I believe this is misuse. "Best Wishes" flaws don't stem from the original series. And Sun and Moon sounds too recent to be "Original". How far back must the sin originate for it to be this trope? Years? Installments?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaughtopen Ambiguous Disorder Misuse?
Found this in the Senran Kagura page.
- Ambiguous Disorder: While not talked about, it is noticed that some of the characters act in certain ways that may indicate them having some disorders.
- Yomi, Hibari, and Yagyuu all seem to have some form of autism.
- Hikage seems to have Emotional dysregulation.
- Katsuragi seems to have ADHD.
- Haruka seems to have some form of sociopathy.
Isn't the point of Ambiguous Disorder supposed be that any characters that do have some disorders are meant to be vague and never outright revealed? None of them are confirmed in canon, and this to me sounds like Speculative Troping.
open Should Sinfest get a short term cleanup thread? Webcomic
Sinfest... is a thing. As a page that's been here since 2011, it has loads of problems: ZCEs even when there's a warning against them, using links in place of context, using words like "recent" and "just now" for events that are probably like five years old by now, ect. The subpages are just as bad, special mention going to the mini-forum that is the Headscratchers page and the complaining and ROCEJ-skirting of the YMMV page.
However, this comic has been around for 20 years, and the main page actually has a lot (and I mean a lot) of good examples mixed with the troubled ones. Slogging through the pages alone, especially as someone who does not read the comic, would be maddening.
So, rolling back around to my original question; would it be okay if I created a Short-Term Projects thread for Sinfest, and if so, would other people help out with the effort?
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast
So I've noticed that the work pages for some series (such as Dora the Explorer and The Magic School Bus,) mention that they are the trope namers for XYZ tropes on the description. Since trope namers are discouraged, and there's always the Trivia page, we shouldn't have to mention this in the description, right?
Edited by ccorb