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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#2351: Jan 10th 2016 at 10:57:54 PM

Okay I added the section linked [up][up] to the character page...except for the Cargo Cult example. That I'm holding out on because of a rewrite, So I want to check to see how grammatically correct the following is:

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2352: Jan 12th 2016 at 3:28:47 AM

[up]

  • Cargo Cult: This cult worships the lesser moon, unaware of it's true nature or the actual deity contained within.

"unaware of it's true nature". The nature belongs to the moon, so you'd use the possessive pronoun "its" here.

-> unaware of its true nature.

The word "it's" is a contraction for "it is". Whenever you're not sure whether to use "its" or "it's", you can use a simple rule that will almost always work:

  • Insert "it is" instead.
    • If "it is" looks correct then use "it's".
    • If it sounds wrong use "its".

Using this rule with the above item:

"unaware of ??? true nature" -> "unaware of it is true nature"

Since "unaware of it is true nature" sounds wrong you know "it's" is wrong, so use "its".

edited 13th Jan '16 1:33:24 AM by Arivne

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#2353: Jan 12th 2016 at 11:59:31 AM

I have a trope for Characters.Sentinels Of The Multiverse.

Infinator

  • Only I Can Kill Him: Infinator's alternate form - 'Tormented Ally' - makes his Manifestations Indestructible, unless Infinator does enough damage to kill one.
  • Zerg Rush: Infinator's Manifestations often come in miniature hordes and can very easily outnumber the heroes in the span of a single turn.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:55:29 PM by Kingofsouls

I am a figment of your imagination
MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#2354: Jan 12th 2016 at 1:39:20 PM

[up][up] Okay I removed the apostrophe and added it to the page. thanks

andrew369 Since: Apr, 2012
#2355: Jan 12th 2016 at 9:05:08 PM

Hey guys. Sorry that I didn't appear here much due to my work.

Anyway here's a trope for one of the characters in Love Live!:

Rin Hoshizora

  • Butt-Monkey: Namely in the Lily White group in the Audio Drama. Especially when Nico is not around and every time she's with Nozomi.
    • In Season 2 Episode 2, she was forced to go hiking with Umi and Nozomi and nearly breaks into tears.
    • In Season 2 Episode 4, during the Nico chase scene, Nozomi chooses her to slide in between two vans to chase after Nico due to her having [[A-Cup Angst small breasts.]
  • Got Volunteered: In Season 2 Episode 5, she is forced to become μ's temporary leader when Honoka, Umi and Kotori are in Okinawa.

edited 13th Jan '16 5:16:31 PM by andrew369

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2356: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:39:48 AM

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"...makes is Manifestations Indestructible..."

Should be "its".

-> "makes its Manifestations Indestructible"

"...except if Infinator does enough damage to kill one."

I would replace "except if" with "unless".

-> "...unless Infinator does enough damage to kill one."

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2357: Jan 13th 2016 at 1:50:16 AM

[up][up]

This is a Zero-Context Example because it doesn't say how the character fits the trope. Please include some information about the character is a Butt-Monkey.

  • Got Volunteered: In Season 2 Episode 5, she gets this as she becomes μ's, temporary leader when Honoka, Umi and Kotori are in Okinawa.

Whenever you say someone "does this", "is this" or anything like that it's considered Word Cruft, even if you explain how it fits the trope immediately afterward. Any such statement should be deleted. Also the comma is unnecessary.

-> In Season 2 Episode 5, she is forced to become μ's temporary leader when Honoka, Umi and Kotori are in Okinawa.

Kingofsouls Kingofsouls from EVERYWHERE Since: Jun, 2010
Kingofsouls
#2358: Jan 13th 2016 at 12:55:08 PM

[up][up] Nah. Infinator is a guy, so his is the appropriate term. Fixing it now. Also, if it isn't too much trouble, can someone add those two to his section of the Sentinels character sheet?

edited 13th Jan '16 12:56:34 PM by Kingofsouls

I am a figment of your imagination
andrew369 Since: Apr, 2012
#2360: Jan 13th 2016 at 11:20:08 PM

Oh yeah, here's another one only for the Funny sections in Neptunia game.

Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth1

  • The entire Lowee CPU Q&A Quiz. In order to tell who is the real Blanc, the group decides to ask both of them questions that only the real one can answer. However these questions are actually about Blanc's embarrassing secrets, which involves her measurements and her secretly written novels. The real Blanc can't answer it because everyone in Lowee is listening, while the fake one easily reveals and answers them correctly. After the third question, Blanc snaps and lets out multiple vulgarity words, knowing that everyone in Lowee knows of her secrets. Much to both Blancs' surprise, the people of Lowee confirm that the vulgarity Blanc is the real one since they know her personal traits (despite the fake Blanc's bad attempts to say vulgar words).

edited 14th Jan '16 5:34:20 PM by andrew369

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#2361: Jan 13th 2016 at 11:27:45 PM

[up] "...much to both Blanc surprise..."

Whether it be one flat-chested CPU or two, possessives are still a thing, I think. It should be "much to both Blancs' surprise"

Likewise the last sentence should be "(Despite the fake Blanc's bad attempts to say vulgar words)" or "(Despite the fake Blanc badly attempting to say vulgar words)"

edited 13th Jan '16 11:29:58 PM by MorningStar1337

andrew369 Since: Apr, 2012
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2363: Jan 14th 2016 at 2:20:52 AM

[up][up][up]

However these questions are actually Blanc's embarrassing secrets which involves her measurements and her secretly written novels. The real Blanc couldn't answer it due to everyone in Lowee is hearing it while the fake one easily reveals and answers it correctly.

"However these questions are actually Blanc's embarrassing secrets"

Needs the word "about" after "actually".

"secrets which involves" -> "secrets which involve"

And we need a comma in that last one.

-> "However these questions are actually about Blanc's embarrassing secrets, which involve..."

The "couldn't" should be changed to "can't" as per How to Write an Example - Write in Present Tense.

The first sentence refers to "questions" (plural). The second sentence says "it" (singular) three times. Based on the first sentence, each "it" should be "them".

"due to everyone in Lowee is hearing it" -> "because everyone in Lowee is listening".

And we need another comma in there.

-> The real Blanc can't answer them because everyone in Lowee is listening, while the fake one easily reveals and answers them correctly.

However these questions are actually about Blanc's embarrassing secrets, which involve her measurements and her secretly written novels. The real Blanc can't answer them because everyone in Lowee is listening, while the fake one easily reveals and answers them correctly.

And a couple more:

"knowing that everyone in Lowee knows of her secret."

The earlier sentences refer to "secrets".

-> knowing that everyone in Lowee knows of her secrets.

"(Despite the fake Blanc's..." -> (despite the fake Blanc's...

edited 14th Jan '16 2:44:27 AM by Arivne

GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#2364: Jan 14th 2016 at 9:52:19 AM

[up][up][up][up]"vulgarity words" doesn't sound right. I'd suggest "profanities" or the simple "swear words".

andrew369 Since: Apr, 2012
#2365: Jan 14th 2016 at 5:38:18 PM

[up][up]

Edited and noted.

I got a question here regarding the comment below:

"(Despite the fake Blanc's..." -> (despite the fake Blanc's... "

Well I've seen many post and topic in various websites have a capital letter after the bracket (E.g: (Despite)). Is it suppose to be small letter to begin with just to ask out of curiosity.

[up]

That's true but the word 'vulgarity' is in the game so I decide to stick to it with the following trope.

edited 15th Jan '16 5:28:39 AM by andrew369

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2366: Jan 14th 2016 at 9:31:02 PM

[up]

I got a question here regarding the comment below:

"(Despite the fake Blanc's..." -> (despite the fake Blanc's... "

Well I've seen many post and topic in various websites have a capital letter after the bracket (E.g: (Despite)) but I'm curious is it suppose to be small letter to begin with just to ask.

"(despite the fake Blanc's bad attempts to say vulgar words)" is part of the previous sentence, not a separate sentence on its own, so its first word isn't capitalized.

Think of it this way: If you hadn't put it inside the parentheses it would have been preceded by a comma. You wouldn't capitalize a word following a comma, would you?

edited 14th Jan '16 9:49:49 PM by Arivne

andrew369 Since: Apr, 2012
IAmNotAFunguy Since: Apr, 2014
#2368: Jan 16th 2016 at 8:04:25 AM

Got a Zero-Content Example followed by edit suspension after posting this example on the Pokemon Black & White page. I don't think there is anything wrong here and the fact it includes an explaining example makes me think there was nothing that could note a Zero-Content Example.

Pokemon Black & White- Ship Level: The Royal Unova, an optional cruise ship that can be sailed on after the main game is completed. Like any ship in a Pokémon game it includes trainers to battle.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2369: Jan 17th 2016 at 2:45:28 AM

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Just to let you know, we have a forum specifically to provide help in writing examples. It's "Is this an Example", here:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100

It's currently on page 76:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=76.

They can probably give you more help.

Got a Zero-Content Example followed by edit suspension after posting this example on the Pokemon Black & White page. I don't think there is anything wrong here and the fact it includes an explaining example makes me think there was nothing that could note a Zero-Content Example.

  • Ship Level: The Royal Unova, an optional cruise ship that can be sailed on after the main game is completed. Like any ship in a PokĂ©mon game it includes trainers to battle.

I've just looked at the Ship Level page and it has a list of five things that often occur on a Ship Level. Condensed down to their essentials, they are:

  • Being surrounded by water
  • Below decks: narrow corridors and sneaking through well-lit corridors.
  • Corridors = linear level design.
  • They make the game world seem very large and that great distances are being covered, which can give the feeling of progressing through an epic journey.
  • Ships can be sunk, which can lead to a transition to an underwater level.

Does the Royal Unova have any of these things?

If it doesn't, maybe you could give some specific details about it: who you can meet there, what you can do in it, what can happen to you, how it's designed and so on.

You can also look at the longer examples on the Ship Level page and see what kind of information they provide, then do the same with your example.

edited 17th Jan '16 2:56:00 AM by Arivne

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2370: Jan 18th 2016 at 11:07:23 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Porridge

Okay, I have some additions for the Porridge Characters page (in this case most of the tropes are already there, I’m supplying the information). I’m afraid this is a bit of a long one.

For Fletcher:

  • Affably Evil: Fletcher maybe a chronic thief, but he is still most of the time a cheerful, wise and decent friend.
  • Anti-Hero: Fletcher mostly means well, and isn’t truly a bad man at heart. However he is an unashamed thief and habitual criminal.
  • Genre Savvy: Having been in prison for much of life, Fletcher understands how things work. For instance he rightly predicts Grouty's plans to break the son of powerful mob boss out of Slade Prison will push the guards just a little bit to far, and cause everyone problems.
  • Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Fletcher maybe blunt, a criminal and a cheat. However at heart he truly isn’t that bad a guy. He cares for his friends, despises genuine unpleasant or dangerous people like Ives or Harry Grout, and will come through when the situation demands it.
  • Lovable Rogue: Fletcher has been in prison for much of his life, is described as a habitual criminal and immoral. However the series gives enough focus into his more redeeming traits, that he is easily likable.
  • Manipulative Bastard: Fletcher is something of a master at this, and often fools the more naĂŻve members of the cast, from other inmates to Mr Barrowclough and Governor.
  • Schemer: Fletcher is virtually always scheming, be it a plan to get out of having to pain the library, or get himself a holiday in the prison medical ward. He’ll come up with a plan, it might not work, but he’ll think of it.

For Ives:

  • Butt-Monkey: Ives often suffers, such as being it getting badly stung by a rare insect while out on a working party, and he almost always brings it on himself.
  • Dirty Coward: The first sign things are getting serious, you can always count on Ives to get out of the way.
  • The Friend Nobody Likes: Justified, as the inmates are locked up together. When they get a chance to avoid him, nearly everyone prefers to stay clear of Ives.
  • Jerkass: Ives is a lazy, cowardly, snivelling cheat and snitch; and as such despised by most of the prison.

For Mclaren:

  • Hair-Trigger Temper: Mclaren will get aggressive at the slightest provocation, its especially bad in his first appearance where he even grabs Fletcher for knocking into him. Deconstructed, as this has mostly ruined his life, and is the reason he’s in prison in the first place. Fletcher outright spells out to him how if he turned the other cheek a few more times he wouldn’t be in his present situation, and it isn’t worth sacrificing so much just for his pride. As such he mellows out in later appearances, but it never completely goes away.
  • The Big Guy: In the event the group need anything physical done, it falls to Mclaren to do it. Not that he complains.
  • Freudian Excuse: It’s acknowledged Mclaren’s life hasn’t been a happy one, growing up in Scotland as a half-black illegitimate orphan. Fletcher even acknowledges he’s had it “harder than most”
  • Scary Black Man: Mclaren really can be intimidating when he’s angry. Most weaker inmates are afraid of him.
  • Violent Glaswegian: A Scotsman by birth, Mclaran is a physical angry young man, who jumps to violence far too quickly.

For Harry Grout:

  • The Dreaded: Grouty is feared throughout the prison, simply because everyone knows displeasing him will end in him sending in one of his many heavies after you, or worse. Even Fletcher is terrified of him.
  • Evil Is Bigger: Harry Grout is six foot, while not overly large he still towers over the shorter Fletcher and most of the cast.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Grouty is charming, polite, and never even raises his voice. If he’s in a good mood he might even be willing to bribe you. However fail him, anger him or even annoy him, and he’ll happily send his goons in to beat you senseless.
  • Genre Savvy: In the Movie, while agreeing to break another mob boss out of prison who plans to flee the country, he makes sure said mob boss pays him most of the money he asks for in exchange before he has him broken out.
  • Knight of Cerebus: Whenever Harry Grout makes an appearance the stakes get a lot higher, and the show dips into a lot more Black Comedy.
  • London Gangster: Harry Grout is a high up east London mob boss, and is a very powerful man buried deep in organised crime.
  • Pragmatic Villainy: Do a job for him well enough, and Grouty might even give you a little reward. After all he didn’t rise so high in organised crime without understanding the importance of business relationships.

For Blanco:

  • Beware of the Nice Ones: One of the most gentle inmates in the entire prison, however its revealed in his final appearance he killed the man who murdered his wife and framed him for the crime years earlier.
  • Cool Old Guy: Blanco is a friendly, cheerful and in many ways still cunning man. He is quite well liked by most of the inmates.
  • Nice Guy: Blanco is among the friendlies and most likable inmates in Slade prison.
  • The Old Convict: Blanco has been in Slade prison for over twenty years, partially down to him rejecting parole on the grounds of him protesting his innocence in killing his wife.

For Warren:

  • The Ditz: Warren isn’t really that bright, he often takes a while to catch up on the fact he’s been insulted.

For Lukewarm:

  • Affectionate Pickpocket: As one episode shows, Lukewarm is a master of this managing to pitch Mackay’s watch and wallet with nothing more than a friendly handshake.
  • Big Fun: Certainly on the hefty side, however he is a likable fellow who the other inmates get along well with.
  • Team Mom: Lukewarm is pretty kind and nurturing towards the other inmates, Fletcher even admits if he had had a mother like Lukewarm he would probably have gone straight.

For Cyril:

  • Cloud Cuckoolander: Upon hearing his birthday was April 1st (April fools day) Fletcher found it very appropriate considering his personality.
  • The Ditz: Cyril is really quite slow, it often takes him to the end of a conversation to properly process the first thing that was said.

For Harris:

  • Asshole Victim: While he doesn’t die, it’s only the fact that he’s so repulsive that allows Grouty having his thugs torture him that keeps the act in the sphere of Black Comedy.
  • Butt-Monkey: Generally his unpleasant deeds come back to bite him. He was even arrested when he tried to mug a little old lady, only for it to turn out she had a brick in her handbag.
  • Evil Redhead: A smug, cowardly bully who only ever picks on people he’s convinced are weaker than him, with red hair.

For Mackay:

  • Deadpan Snarker: For someone so straight faced, Mackay is surprisingly quick and witty.
  • The Dreaded: Amongst the Prison guards, he holds this reputation, as he is easily the harshest and toughest.
  • Drill Sergeant Nasty: Was an actual drill sergeant in the Argyle and Southern Highlanders before becoming a prison officer. He certainly still acts like he is.
  • Hair-Trigger Temper: Mackay is an easy enough man to set off, especially when it involves Fletcher.
  • Inspector Javert: Mackay is only doing his job and is often right in his suspicions that Fletcher is up to his tricks. If he wasn’t so harsh it would be hard to disagree with him.
  • Large Ham: Shouts a lot of his lines.
  • The Napoleon: Like Fletcher, Mackay is a bit short, especially compared to the much taller Mr. Barrowclough.
  • Pet the Dog:
    • Despite claiming to hate all inmates, Mackay is shown to be softer on more well behaved inmates.
    • Following him revealing the existence of the escape tunnel to him, Mackay was happy to give Fletcher a Christmas present.
  • Properly Paranoid: His suspicions about the inmates are so extreme he can’t watch a man tie his shoes without suspecting he’s hiding something in his sock. However when it comes to Fletcher he’s nearly always right.
  • Violent Glaswegian: Downplayed, Mackay is never violent with the inmates, but he still has the personality.

For Barrowclough:

  • The Big Guy: Barrowclough is the tallest prison officer, and towers over most of the cast.
  • Gentle Giant: While the tallest of the cast; Barrowclough is an all-around gentle and friendly man.
  • Lovable Coward: Mr. Barrowclough is much more timid than Mr. Mackay, and shows his fear in dangerous situations. However he is such a nice and friendly guy it’s hard to dislike him.
  • Nice Guy: Mr. Barrowclough is by any standard a cheerful, friendly and kindhearted man. He even see’s prison as more for rehabilitation over punishment.
  • Reasonable Authority Figure: Barrowclough is a fair and reasonable man, he even tells a new Prison guard not to ask what a new inmate is in for, as that allows you to judge him as a person over what he has done.

For Geoffrey:

  • Lovable Coward: Really the Governor has no stomach for more dangerous things, but he’s still a fair and reasonable person.
  • Nice Guy: A cheerful and friendly man, he and Fletcher even strike something of a friendship.
  • Pointy-Haired Boss: He means well, and tries his best, but really he’s too gentle to be an effective governor.
  • Reasonable Authority Figure: Governor Venables is always willing to give the inmates the benefit of the doubt, is a firm believer in rehabilitation and hearing both sides of the story.
  • The Teetotaler: Refuses alcohol for moral reasons, as such it distresses him when the inmates manufacture illegal booze.

For Wainwright:

  • Drill Sergeant Nasty: Even worse than Mackay, Wainwright can’t even talk to the inmates without either insulting them or barking an order.
  • The Dreaded: Quickly gains this reputation where ever he goes, simply cause of how harsh and strict he is.
  • Politically Incorrect Villain: Admits to outright hating the inmates, and considers them scum that he would keep locked up away from society forever, if he had the power to.
  • Sadist: He really takes too much pleasure out bullying and mistreating the inmates.
  • Tyrant Takes the Helm: Upon arriving he makes everyone’s life quite a bit harder, even negating Mr. Barrowclough to a miserable job on the farms believing he’s too soft. Unlike Mackay who understands the importance of never pushing the inmates to far (and vice versa) Wainwright has no limitations.

Okay thank you.

edited 19th Jan '16 2:07:55 PM by MGD107

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2372: Jan 18th 2016 at 11:40:49 PM

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"Fletcher maybe a chronic thief, but he is still most of the time..."

-> Fletcher may be a chronic thief, but most of the time he is still...

"unashamed thief" -> shameless thief

"Having been in prison for much of life" -> much of his life

"just a little bit to far" -> too far

"Fletcher maybe blunt" -> may be

"despises genuine unpleasant" -> genuinely

"life, is described as a habitual criminal and immoral." -> life and is described...

"traits, that he is" -> traits that he is

"get out of having to pain the library" -> paint

"He’ll come up with a plan, it might not work, but he’ll think of it."

-> He’ll come up with a plan. It might not work, but he’ll think of it.

" such as being it getting badly stung by a rare insect" -> such as getting badly stung

"and as such despised" -> and as such is despised

"For Mclaren" -> All "Mclaren" should be changed to [=McLaren=]. The [= =] markup prevents the word from displaying as a Red Link (i.e. Mc Laren).

"slightest provocation, its especially" -> slightest provocation. It's especially...

"harder than most" -> "harder than most". <- period

however its revealed -> however it's revealed

"among the friendlies" -> friendliest

"partially down to him" Is this British English? An American would say "partially due to him".

"As one episode shows, Lukewarm is a master of this managing" -> this, managing

"pitch Mackay’s watch" -> pinch?

"who the other inmates get along well with" -> whom

April 1st (April fools day) -> April Fool's/Fools' Day. Apparently there's supposed to be an apostrophe in "Fools" but it's a matter of dispute where it goes.

"He even see’s prison" -> sees

"where ever he goes, simply cause of" -> wherever, because of

"too much pleasure out bullying" -> out of bullying

"even negating Mr. Barrowclough to a miserable job" -> relegating

"pushing the inmates to far" -> too far

edited 20th Jan '16 3:05:09 AM by Arivne

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2373: Jan 19th 2016 at 1:44:40 PM

Okay thank you. I implemented all the changes (and copied them bellow). What do I do next, as I can't presently edit the pages myself?

PS: Yes it is British English, but I understand why this site needs to be in American English.

For Fletcher:

  • Affably Evil: Fletcher maybe a chronic thief, but most of the time he is still a cheerful, wise and decent friend.
  • Anti-Hero: Fletcher mostly means well, and isn’t truly a bad man at heart. However he is an shameless thief and habitual criminal.
  • Genre Savvy: Having been in prison for much of his life, Fletcher understands how things work. For instance he rightly predicts the side effects of Grouty's plans to an inmate out of Slade Prison will push the guards just a little bit too far, and cause everyone problems.
  • Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Fletcher maybe blunt, a criminal and a cheat. However at heart he truly isn’t that bad a guy. He cares for his friends, despises genuinely unpleasant or dangerous people like Ives or Harry Grout, and will come through when the situation demands it.
  • Lovable Rogue: Fletcher has been in prison for much of his life, and is described as a habitual criminal and immoral. However the series gives enough focus into his more redeeming traits that he is easily likable.
  • Manipulative Bastard: Fletcher is something of a master at this, and often fools the more naĂŻve members of the cast, from other inmates to Mr Barrowclough and Governor.
  • Schemer: Fletcher is virtually always scheming, be it a plan to get out of having to paint the library, or get himself a holiday in the prison medical ward. He’ll come up with a plan. It might not work, but he’ll think of it.

For Ives:

  • Butt-Monkey: Ives often suffers, such as being it getting badly stung by a rare insect while out on a working party, and he almost always brings it on himself.
  • Dirty Coward: The first sign things are getting serious, you can always count on Ives to get out of the way.
  • The Friend Nobody Likes: Justified, as the inmates are locked up together. When they get a chance to avoid him, nearly everyone prefers to stay clear of Ives.
  • Jerkass: Ives is a lazy, cowardly, snivelling cheat and snitch; and as such is despised by most of the prison.

For McLaren:

  • Hair-Trigger Temper: McLaren will get aggressive at the slightest provocation. Its especially bad in his first appearance where he even grabs Fletcher for knocking into him. Deconstructed, as this has mostly ruined his life, and is the reason he’s in prison in the first place. Fletcher outright spells out to him how if he turned the other cheek a few more times he wouldn’t be in his present situation, and it isn’t worth sacrificing so much just for his pride. As such he mellows out in later appearances, but it never completely goes away.
  • The Big Guy: In the event the group need anything physical done, it falls to McLaren to do it. Not that he complains.
  • Freudian Excuse: It’s acknowledged McLaren’s life hasn’t been a happy one, growing up in Scotland as a half-black illegitimate orphan. Fletcher even acknowledges he’s had it “harder than most”.
  • Scary Black Man: McLaren really can be intimidating when he’s angry. Most of the weaker inmates are afraid of him.
  • Violent Glaswegian: A Scotsman by birth, McLaran is a physical angry young man, who jumps to violence far too quickly.

For Harry Grout:

  • The Dreaded: Grouty is feared throughout the prison, simply because everyone knows displeasing him will end in him sending in one of his many heavies after you, or worse. Even Fletcher is terrified of him.
  • Evil Is Bigger: Harry Grout is six foot, while not overly large he still towers over the shorter Fletcher and most of the cast.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Grouty is charming, polite, and never even raises his voice. If he’s in a good mood he might even be willing to bribe you. However fail him, anger him or even annoy him, and he’ll happily send his goons in to beat you senseless.
  • Genre Savvy: In the Movie, while agreeing to break another mob boss out of prison who plans to flee the country, he makes sure said mob boss pays him most of the money he asks for in exchange before he has him broken out. Remarking people in his situation have a habit of forgetting those who helped them out.
  • Knight of Cerebus: Whenever Harry Grout makes an appearance the stakes get a lot higher, and the show dips into a lot more Black Comedy.
  • London Gangster: Harry Grout is a high up east London mob boss, and is a very powerful man buried deep in organised crime.
  • Pragmatic Villainy: Do a job for him well enough, and Grouty might even give you a little reward. After all he didn’t rise so high in organised crime without understanding the importance of business relationships.

For Blanco:

  • Beware of the Nice Ones: One of the most gentle inmates in the entire prison, however it’s revealed in his final appearance he killed the man who murdered his wife and framed him for the crime years earlier.
  • Cool Old Guy: Blanco is a friendly, cheerful and in many ways still cunning man. He is quite well liked by most of the inmates.
  • Nice Guy: Blanco is among the friendliest and most likable inmates in Slade prison.
  • The Old Convict: Blanco has been in Slade prison for over twenty years, partially due to him rejecting parole on the grounds of him protesting his innocence in killing his wife.

For Warren:

  • The Ditz: Warren isn’t really that bright, he often takes a while to catch up on the fact he’s been insulted.

For Lukewarm:

  • Affectionate Pickpocket: As one episode shows, Lukewarm is a master of this, managing to pitch Mackay’s watch and wallet with nothing more than a friendly handshake.
  • Big Fun: Certainly on the hefty side, however he is a likable fellow whom the other inmates get along well with.
  • Team Mom: Lukewarm is pretty kind and nurturing towards the other inmates, Fletcher even admits if he had had a mother like Lukewarm he would probably have gone straight.

For Cyril:

  • Cloud Cuckoolander: Upon hearing his birthday was April 1st (April Fools’ Day) Fletcher found it very appropriate considering his personality.
  • The Ditz: Cyril is really quite slow, it often takes him to the end of a conversation to properly process the first thing that was said.

For Harris:

  • Asshole Victim: While he doesn’t die, it’s only the fact that he’s so repulsive that allows Grouty having his thugs torture him that keeps the act in the sphere of Black Comedy.
  • Butt-Monkey: Generally his unpleasant deeds come back to bite him. He was even arrested when he tried to mug a little old lady, only for it to turn out she had a brick in her handbag.
  • Evil Redhead: A smug, cowardly bully who only ever picks on people he’s convinced are weaker than him, with red hair.

For Mackay:

  • Deadpan Snarker: For someone so straight faced, Mackay is surprisingly quick and witty.
  • The Dreaded: Amongst the Prison guards, he holds this reputation, as he is easily the harshest and toughest.
  • Drill Sergeant Nasty: Was an actual drill sergeant in the Argyle and Southern Highlanders before becoming a prison officer. He certainly still acts like he is.
  • Hair-Trigger Temper: Mackay is an easy enough man to set off, especially when it involves Fletcher.
  • Inspector Javert: Mackay is only doing his job and is often right in his suspicions that Fletcher is up to his tricks. If he wasn’t so harsh it would be hard to disagree with him.
  • Large Ham: Shouts a lot of his lines.
  • The Napoleon: Like Fletcher, Mackay is a bit short, especially compared to the much taller Mr. Barrowclough.
  • Pet the Dog:
    • Despite claiming to hate all inmates, Mackay is shown to be softer on more well behaved inmates.
    • Following him revealing the existence of the escape tunnel to him, Mackay was happy to give Fletcher a Christmas present.
  • Properly Paranoid: His suspicions about the inmates are so extreme he can’t watch a man tie his shoes without suspecting he’s hiding something in his sock. However when it comes to Fletcher he’s nearly always right.
  • Violent Glaswegian: Downplayed, Mackay is never violent with the inmates, but he still has the personality.

For Barrowclough:

  • The Big Guy: Barrowclough is the tallest prison officer, and towers over most of the cast.
  • Gentle Giant: While the tallest of the cast; Barrowclough is an all-around gentle and friendly man.
  • Lovable Coward: Mr. Barrowclough is much more timid than Mr. Mackay, and shows his fear in dangerous situations. However he is such a nice and friendly guy it’s hard to dislike him.
  • Nice Guy: Mr. Barrowclough is by any standard a cheerful, friendly and kindhearted man. He even sees prison as more for rehabilitation over punishment.
  • Reasonable Authority Figure: Barrowclough is a fair and reasonable man, he even tells a new Prison guard not to ask what a new inmate is in for, as that allows you to judge him as a person over what he has done.

For Geoffrey:

  • Lovable Coward: Really the Governor has no stomach for more dangerous things, but he’s still a fair and reasonable person.
  • Nice Guy: A cheerful and friendly man, he and Fletcher even strike something of a friendship.
  • Pointy-Haired Boss: He means well, and tries his best, but really he’s too gentle to be an effective governor.
  • Reasonable Authority Figure: Governor Venables is always willing to give the inmates the benefit of the doubt, is a firm believer in rehabilitation and hearing both sides of the story.
  • The Teetotaler: Refuses alcohol for moral reasons, as such it distresses him when the inmates manufacture illegal booze.

For Wainwright:

  • Drill Sergeant Nasty: Even worse than Mackay, Wainwright can’t even talk to the inmates without either insulting them or barking an order.
  • The Dreaded: Quickly gains this reputation wherever, because of how harsh and strict he is.
  • Politically Incorrect Villain: Admits to outright hating the inmates, and considers them scum that he would keep locked up away from society forever, if he had the power to.
  • Sadist: He really takes too much pleasure out of bullying and mistreating the inmates.
  • Tyrant Takes the Helm: Upon arriving he makes everyone’s life quite a bit harder, even relegating Mr. Barrowclough to a miserable job on the farms believing he’s too soft. Unlike Mackay who understands the importance of never pushing the inmates too far (and vice versa) Wainwright has no limitations.

edited 19th Jan '16 2:26:52 PM by MGD107

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#2374: Jan 23rd 2016 at 3:22:02 AM

[up]

You still need to correct:

"Fletcher maybe a chronic thief" -> may be

"Fletcher maybe blunt" -> may be

"such as being it getting badly stung" -> "such as getting badly stung"

"its especially" -> it's

"managing to pitch Mackay’s watch". Again, shouldn't this be "pinch"?

And a few I missed the first time:

  • Evil Is Bigger: Harry Grout is six foot, while not overly large he still towers over the shorter Fletcher and most of the cast."

This should be two separate sentences.

-> "Harry Grout is six foot. While not overly large he still towers over the shorter Fletcher and most of the cast."

  • Asshole Victim: While he doesn’t die, it’s only the fact that he’s so repulsive that allows Grouty having his thugs torture him that keeps the act in the sphere of Black Comedy.

-> "...that keeps Grouty having his thugs torture him in the sphere of Black Comedy."

  • Evil Redhead: A smug, cowardly bully who only ever picks on people he’s convinced are weaker than him, with red hair.

As written, this means that the people he picks on have red hair.

-> A smug, cowardly bully with red hair who only ever picks on people he’s convinced are weaker than him.

edited 23rd Jan '16 3:23:28 AM by Arivne

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#2375: Jan 23rd 2016 at 5:10:34 AM

[up] Thank you, sorry its so long. I probably should have done it in sections. Oh well.

Now here is the corrected version:

For Fletcher:

  • Affably Evil: Fletcher may be a chronic thief, but most of the time he is still a cheerful, wise and decent friend.
  • Anti-Hero: Fletcher mostly means well, and isn’t truly a bad man at heart. However he is an shameless thief and habitual criminal.
  • Genre Savvy: Having been in prison for much of his life, Fletcher understands how things work. For instance he rightly predicts the side effects of Grouty's plans to an inmate out of Slade Prison will push the guards just a little bit too far, and cause everyone problems.
  • Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Fletcher may be blunt, a criminal and a cheat. However at heart he truly isn’t that bad a guy. He cares for his friends, despises genuinely unpleasant or dangerous people like Ives or Harry Grout, and will come through when the situation demands it.
  • Lovable Rogue: Fletcher has been in prison for much of his life, and is described as a habitual criminal and immoral. However the series gives enough focus into his more redeeming traits that he is easily likable.
  • Manipulative Bastard: Fletcher is something of a master at this, and often fools the more naĂŻve members of the cast, from other inmates to Mr Barrowclough and Governor.
  • Schemer: Fletcher is virtually always scheming, be it a plan to get out of having to paint the library, or get himself a holiday in the prison medical ward. He’ll come up with a plan. It might not work, but he’ll think of it.

For Ives:

  • Butt-Monkey: Ives often suffers, such as getting badly stung by a rare insect while out on a working party, and he almost always brings it on himself.
  • Dirty Coward: The first sign things are getting serious, you can always count on Ives to get out of the way.
  • The Friend Nobody Likes: Justified, as the inmates are locked up together. When they get a chance to avoid him, nearly everyone prefers to stay clear of Ives.
  • Jerkass: Ives is a lazy, cowardly, snivelling cheat and snitch; and as such is despised by most of the prison.

For McLaren:

  • Hair-Trigger Temper: McLaren will get aggressive at the slightest provocation. It’s especially bad in his first appearance where he even grabs Fletcher for knocking into him. Deconstructed, as this has mostly ruined his life, and is the reason he’s in prison in the first place. Fletcher outright spells out to him how if he turned the other cheek a few more times he wouldn’t be in his present situation, and it isn’t worth sacrificing so much just for his pride. As such he mellows out in later appearances, but it never completely goes away.
  • The Big Guy: In the event the group need anything physical done, it falls to McLaren to do it. Not that he complains.
  • Freudian Excuse: It’s acknowledged McLaren’s life hasn’t been a happy one, growing up in Scotland as a half-black illegitimate orphan. Fletcher even acknowledges he’s had it “harder than most”.
  • Scary Black Man: McLaren really can be intimidating when he’s angry. Most of the weaker inmates are afraid of him.
  • Violent Glaswegian: A Scotsman by birth, McLaran is a physical angry young man, who jumps to violence far too quickly.

For Harry Grout:

  • The Dreaded: Grouty is feared throughout the prison, simply because everyone knows displeasing him will end in him sending in one of his many heavies after you, or worse. Even Fletcher is terrified of him.
  • Evil Is Bigger: Harry Grout is six foot. While not overly large he still towers over the shorter Fletcher and most of the cast.
  • Faux Affably Evil: Grouty is charming, polite, and never even raises his voice. If he’s in a good mood he might even be willing to bribe you. However fail him, anger him or even annoy him, and he’ll happily send his goons in to beat you senseless.
  • Genre Savvy: In the Movie, while agreeing to break another mob boss out of prison who plans to flee the country, he makes sure said mob boss pays him most of the money he asks for in exchange before he has him broken out. Remarking people in his situation have a habit of forgetting those who helped them out.
  • Knight of Cerebus: Whenever Harry Grout makes an appearance the stakes get a lot higher, and the show dips into a lot more Black Comedy.
  • London Gangster: Harry Grout is a high up east London mob boss, and is a very powerful man buried deep in organised crime.
  • Pragmatic Villainy: Do a job for him well enough, and Grouty might even give you a little reward. After all he didn’t rise so high in organised crime without understanding the importance of business relationships.

For Blanco:

  • Beware of the Nice Ones: One of the most gentle inmates in the entire prison, however it’s revealed in his final appearance he killed the man who murdered his wife and framed him for the crime years earlier.
  • Cool Old Guy: Blanco is a friendly, cheerful and in many ways still cunning man. He is quite well liked by most of the inmates.
  • Nice Guy: Blanco is among the friendliest and most likable inmates in Slade prison.
  • The Old Convict: Blanco has been in Slade prison for over twenty years, partially due to him rejecting parole on the grounds of him protesting his innocence in killing his wife.

For Warren:

  • The Ditz: Warren isn’t really that bright, he often takes a while to catch up on the fact he’s been insulted.

For Lukewarm:

  • Affectionate Pickpocket: As one episode shows, Lukewarm is a master of this, managing to pinch Mackay’s watch and wallet with nothing more than a friendly handshake.
  • Big Fun: Certainly on the hefty side, however he is a likable fellow whom the other inmates get along well with.
  • Team Mom: Lukewarm is pretty kind and nurturing towards the other inmates, Fletcher even admits if he had had a mother like Lukewarm he would probably have gone straight.

For Cyril:

  • Cloud Cuckoolander: Upon hearing his birthday was April 1st (April Fools’ Day) Fletcher found it very appropriate considering his personality.
  • The Ditz: Cyril is really quite slow, it often takes him to the end of a conversation to properly process the first thing that was said.

For Harris:

  • Asshole Victim: While he doesn’t die, it’s only the fact that he’s so repulsive that keeps Grouty having his thugs torture him in the sphere of Black Comedy.
  • Butt-Monkey: Generally his unpleasant deeds come back to bite him. He was even arrested when he tried to mug a little old lady, only for it to turn out she had a brick in her handbag.
  • Evil Redhead: Harris is a smug, cowardly bully with red hair, who only ever picks on people he’s convinced is weaker than him.

For Mackay:

  • Deadpan Snarker: For someone so straight faced, Mackay is surprisingly quick and witty.
  • The Dreaded: Amongst the Prison guards, he holds this reputation, as he is easily the harshest and toughest.
  • Drill Sergeant Nasty: Was an actual drill sergeant in the Argyle and Southern Highlanders before becoming a prison officer. He certainly still acts like he is.
  • Hair-Trigger Temper: Mackay is an easy enough man to set off, especially when it involves Fletcher.
  • Inspector Javert: Mackay is only doing his job and is often right in his suspicions that Fletcher is up to his tricks. If he wasn’t so harsh it would be hard to disagree with him.
  • Large Ham: Shouts a lot of his lines.
  • The Napoleon: Like Fletcher, Mackay is a bit short, especially compared to the much taller Mr. Barrowclough.
  • Pet the Dog:
    • Despite claiming to hate all inmates, Mackay is shown to be softer on more well behaved inmates.
    • Following him revealing the existence of the escape tunnel to him, Mackay was happy to give Fletcher a Christmas present.
  • Properly Paranoid: His suspicions about the inmates are so extreme he can’t watch a man tie his shoes without suspecting he’s hiding something in his sock. However when it comes to Fletcher he’s nearly always right.
  • Violent Glaswegian: Downplayed, Mackay is never violent with the inmates, but he still has the personality.

For Barrowclough:

  • The Big Guy: Barrowclough is the tallest prison officer, and towers over most of the cast.
  • Gentle Giant: While the tallest of the cast; Barrowclough is an all-around gentle and friendly man.
  • Lovable Coward: Mr. Barrowclough is much more timid than Mr. Mackay, and shows his fear in dangerous situations. However he is such a nice and friendly guy it’s hard to dislike him.
  • Nice Guy: Mr. Barrowclough is by any standard a cheerful, friendly and kindhearted man. He even sees prison as more for rehabilitation over punishment.
  • Reasonable Authority Figure: Barrowclough is a fair and reasonable man, he even tells a new Prison guard not to ask what a new inmate is in for, as that allows you to judge him as a person over what he has done.

For Geoffrey:

  • Lovable Coward: Really the Governor has no stomach for more dangerous things, but he’s still a fair and reasonable person.
  • Nice Guy: A cheerful and friendly man, he and Fletcher even strike something of a friendship.
  • Pointy-Haired Boss: He means well, and tries his best, but really he’s too gentle to be an effective governor.
  • Reasonable Authority Figure: Governor Venables is always willing to give the inmates the benefit of the doubt, is a firm believer in rehabilitation and hearing both sides of the story.
  • The Teetotaler: Refuses alcohol for moral reasons, as such it distresses him when the inmates manufacture illegal booze.

For Wainwright:

  • Drill Sergeant Nasty: Even worse than Mackay, Wainwright can’t even talk to the inmates without either insulting them or barking an order.
  • The Dreaded: Quickly gains this reputation wherever, because of how harsh and strict he is.
  • Politically Incorrect Villain: Admits to outright hating the inmates, and considers them scum that he would keep locked up away from society forever, if he had the power to.
  • Sadist: He really takes too much pleasure out of bullying and mistreating the inmates.
  • Tyrant Takes the Helm: Upon arriving he makes everyone’s life quite a bit harder, even relegating Mr. Barrowclough to a miserable job on the farms believing he’s too soft. Unlike Mackay who understands the importance of never pushing the inmates too far (and vice versa) Wainwright has no limitations.


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