Fact Checking Thread

These examples from Tom and Jerry: Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory all say that Warner Bros. have had the license to all Willy Wonka related media taken away from them due to this film's failure:

Yet just a few weeks ago Warner Bros. announced that they were making a Willy Wonk a prequel movie that's scheduled for release in 2023.

On The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword:

• Dub-Induced Plot Hole: Faron, the Water Dragon, is referred to in English using female pronouns due to her feminine appearance, which makes the fact that her singing voice being quite deep surprising. This is because in spite of her appearance, she's actually male in the Japanese version of the game.

I've never heard anywhere else that the Water Dragon is male in Japan, and Zelda Wiki doesn't mention it.

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Trivia.Star Trek The Next Generation S 2 E 9 The Measure Of A Man:

• Technology Marches On: Data, when asked, states that he can process 60 trillion operations a second, which was surely highly impressive at the time, but, as of 2018, you can buy a CPU for your computer that runs five times that fast off the shelf.

Is this accurate? While we definitely have supercomputers that far exceed Data in this department (and have for a while now), we can't figure out whether "average component bought by average consumer off average store shelf" is in this range or not.

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Even setting aside the fact that it's probably not true... how is a woman having a deep singing voice a plot hole? That example is just stupid.

Edited by nrjxll on Feb 21st 2021 at 7:18:01 AM

Especially considering the character is a dragon, not a human. It's not much of a stretch to say that dragon voices work differently from human voices.

A quick search on Newegg shows that the cutting edge of gaming PC processors run at around 4 GHz, which is several orders of magnitude below the 300 THz that the example claims we were at in 2018.

Hm, then is that enough to invalidate the entire example, or does it just need to be corrected?

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She was saying "operations per second", which does not necessarily have to be CPU speed in hertz. I think it's more in line with the term "FLOPS", or "floating point operations/s". The formula is sockets * cores per socket * number of clock cycles/s * number of operations in cycle.

To show an example, I own a laptop with Intel Core i5 6300HQ, which I'm pretty sure I had before the example was written. The number of sockets for most home computers is going to be 1. It's a quad-core. Clock cycles/s is indeed the CPU speed in hertz, with the base speed being 2.3 GHz (side note, but THz is impossible with current materials available). Admittedly, I don't know how to check how many operations per cycle my CPU can do (it has a bus speed of 8 GT/s, but that's probably not it). According to this, Intel Core i7-970 is capable of 4 double-precision or 8 single-precision floating-point operations per cycle. In the best case scenario that my CPU can do the same number of them, it's 1 * 4 * 2.3e9 * 4 = 36,800,000,000 double-precision FLOPS or 1 * 4 * 2.3e9 * 8 = 73,600,000,000 single-precision FLOPS. That's an average of 55,200,000,000 FLOPS (55.2 GFLOPS). It should be noted that graphics cards can have more cores and reach TFLOPS, but this is about the CPU.

In conclusion, while it's not as far from 300 TFLOPS as one would think, these are still not in "common customer" range which I'm pretty sure I'm currently in. This example may be more accurate in five-ten years, but not right now, so it's kinda invalidated (unless we're talking supercomputers, which can reach PFLOPS).

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:50:49 AM

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As the one who wrote the measure of a man example, I'll link to my source on the claim, Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X: 304,510 MIPS at 3.7 G Hz (for reference, MIPS means million instructions per second)

Aka, I screwed up...

On the other hand, the nvidia 3090 can pull over 30k gflops (or over 30 trillion floating point operations a second)

Edited by Acebrock on Feb 22nd 2021 at 5:47:41 AM

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Again though, the Nvidia 3090 is a graphics card, not a CPU. Also not thinking that AMD Ryzen 7 1800X would reach enough TFLOPS or be considered part of the average consumer's equipment. I don't think they're comparable here.

Edited by Piterpicher on Feb 22nd 2021 at 3:24:55 PM

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These Fandom-Enraging Misconception entries from YMMV.Touhou Project seem like the type that has specks of Fan Myopia in it:

• Calling Sakuya as "Sakura" or "Sayaka".
• Mistaking the franchise for Toho will go as well as mistaking Avatar: The Last Airbender for James Cameron's Avatar.

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Even if they were factually good examples (which they're not,) they still require context.

This tidbit from Capcom Sequel Stagnation is misleading:

• The New Super Mario Bros. sub-series got somewhat hit with this, being basically the same game. To demonstrate, Super Mario Maker has four gameplay styles based on different 2D Mario games. The first style represents Super Mario Bros., there's the Super Mario Bros. 3 style and the Super Mario World style, and the last style covers all four of the New games by itself. Granted, each of the New games introduced new power-ups, set pieces, and gimmicks.

While I agree that the New series are hard to distinguish from one another besides graphical changes, that Mario Maker style is specifically based off of New Super Mario Bros. U, and I'm pretty sure all of the power-ups included in that game style are available in U.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 27th 2021 at 4:10:48 AM

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As someone with Super Mario Maker and Super Mario Maker 2, I can confirm.

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Have to repost since no one noticed it. Found this on Intouchables.

• Americans Hate Tingle: A smashing hit in every country it was screened, with high critical praises... and a complete bomb in the United States, with generally negative reviews and racism accusations. Ironically, The Upside became a hit in States and a massive failure abroad with terrible reviews to boot.

Since when Americans hated it? I don't know if it's true that the remake is a massive failure since it has mixed reviews or it just me.

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Regarding the GFLOPS question: Intel asserts in its export documentation that the old (2011-vintage) processor I have in my laptop, an i7-2630QM, is good for 64 GFLOPS (though I suspect that also includes the GPU's performance). So it's well within the realm of possibility that a modern computer would be even faster than that, especially with a decent graphics card added on.

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This was added to Distanced from Current Events:

• In light of the George Floyd protests (and the heightened concern over systemic racism and lack of diversity in entertainment), it was announced that white actor Mike Henry was stepping down from his role as Cleveland in the show, stating that "persons of color should play characters of color". This also applies to The Simpsons, Big Mouth, Central Park, PAW Patrol and Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood, where several non-white characters have had their white voice actors changed. It also applies the other way around, as the white character of Elmyra Duff from Tiny Toon Adventures will be dropped from its upcoming Revival Tiny Toons Looniversity due her voice actress Cree Summer being black herself and wanting to avoid hypocrisy of black actors still being allowed to play white characters.

I looked up "elmyra cree summer" and only found this tweet, which implies Summer had no say in Elmyra not returning to the show and was actually disappointed in her not returning. The more likely reason for her not returning is probably just unpopularity.

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Trivia.Jojos Bizarre Adventure Stone Ocean

• What Could Have Been:
  • Viz Media was planning on skipping straight to Stone Ocean after their release of Stardust Crusaders concluded seeing as how it's a direct sequel to it. However the poor sales of Stardust Crusaders put a lid on those plans.

Anyone know if there was a statement regarding this?

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YMMV.Monster Hunter Rise

• What Could Have Been: The game was originally planned to have load zones between each area like classic Monster Hunter games.

Anyone find evidence of this?

Honestly, there really should be a What Could Have Been cleanup for fact checking these claims.

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Found this on Canon Character All Along:

• Also, in Wonder Woman, one of the members of The Squad is a Native American tracker, simply referred to as The Chief. In one scene, he hints to Diana that he has some knowledge of her supernatural origins, and may be a supernatural being himself. Although it's unclear whether future films from DC will elaborate on this, the general agreement is that he's this universe's version of Apache Chief from Super Friends, with the uncomfortable Captain Ethnic aspects toned down.

Has anyone working on the film's confirmed he's meant to be Apache Chief, because otherwise this just looks like Speculation?

Cukoloris

The word cukoloris is Gaelic and means "ghost charm." They're used in film production, although how a Gaelic word became a standard industry term is unknown.

According to the Other Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucoloris

It's either from George Cukor's name or from Greek.

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mightymewtron: I can't find a source for that either. It smells like bullshit, honestly.

Realistically, I can think of a number of reasons why they don't want to bring Elmyra back: relative unpopularity (especially after being forced upon the Pinky and the Brain show), licensing issues surrounding the character stemming from the same, the fact that the character was an (unintentional) animal abuser who was directly stated to have killed former pets...yeah.

Yeah, I removed it ages ago because it's definitely misinformation. I'd've heard about it before and it contradicts Cree Summer's disappointment about not playing Elmyra again.

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From Biting-the-Hand Humor:

• Rumor has it that there was one PTV ident for WVIZ Cleveland which had the announcer saying "You're watching KID-TV on VIZ, the station with the bad show for kids!" - referring to the then-infamous Barney & Friends. Although, if it exists (it's existence has been disputed by Closing Logo Group editors), it counts less as a Take That! and more as Our Product Sucks.

I Googled that phrase and that network and found no record of this commercial being discussed outside of this wiki. The fact the entry claims it's been disputed and that it might not even be an example anyway makes me more inclined to cut it. Even if it does exist, I'd bet that it's a mondegreen of something like "The station with the best shows for kids."

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 20th 2021 at 1:09:22 PM

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I was told by a fellow Bulbapedia staff member that someone believed there was a Charizard trading card with a manji/swastika, and image searching such a card gave nothing.

The entry in question was in No Swastikas.

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There was indeed a trading card with a swatstika on it that got edited. It's not Charizard, but Golbat.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 23rd 2021 at 11:11:37 AM

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