I support splitting the trope. There's something predatory sounding about the Wolf bit that doesn't seem appropriate for just an impressed whistle. Wolf-whistling in interest or approval is mentioned by the other wiki
(perhaps the trope can be added to We Are Not Alone Index), but the the article also states that the whistle is a two-note glissando, i.e. the "hweee-wooo!" sound has to be present, while Wolf Whistle seems not to require that. Of the examples on the page,
- how many use the two-note glissando in a sexual manner,
- how many use the two-note glissando in a non-sexual manner,
- how many don't use the glissando (just any other whistle sound) in a sexual manner, and
- how many don't use the glissando in a non-sexual manner?
Edited by Tabs on Mar 3rd 2019 at 3:39:34 AM
Oh, jeepers. Sorting by sexual and non-sexual examples is easy. But due to lazy editors being vague in their text descriptions, sorting by two-note glissando and the other whistles is going to be tougher.
Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 4th 2019 at 10:53:53 AM
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Ignoring the sound of the whistle... Wick check says nearly every example is the attractive character one. I think the two types are different enough that the non-sexual whistle can be moved to its own trope.
Construction Catcalls: Catcalls and whistling towards women who pass by construction sites
Depth Deception: Elmer whistling at pin-ups
Hello Nurse: Whistling at a woman one is attracted to
Hollywood Homely: Studio audience whistling at character in lingerie
Mating Dance: Example potholes "that's more or less the way I reacted". Given the trope name, the nature of the whistle should be clear
Metaphoric Metamorphosis: wolf head plus whistle indicating lust
Not-So-Innocent Whistle: "Not to be confused with"
Show Some Leg: Give the trope name, the nature of the whistle should be clear
Too Much Information: Someone reminiscing about "Nezzy"'s "magnificent rack"
BeamMeUpScotty.Real Life: Explanation of the two-note glissando wolf whistle, followed by media nowadays or more realistic media doing the straight whistle
CharacterDevelopmentThread.Adventure: Sailors whistling and making lewd comments
Characters.Blacksad: Someone whistling at someone else's wife
Characters.Pokemon Generation IV Families: Playboy Bunny Pokémon's cry sounds like a wolf whistle
Characters.Suikoden II: Sound effect potholes to the trope
Characters.Tex Avery MGM Cartoons: Wolf trope codifier of the wolf whistle
Characters.The Amazing Race 9: Construction men whistling at a woman
Disney.Oliver And Company: Dogs howling at an attractive poodle
DisproportionateRetribution.Western Animation: frat-boy types leering and catcalling at Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy
FanFic.Dungeon Keeper Ami: Audience at a striptease whistling
FanFic.Sophistication And Betrayal: Pipe whistling at an attractive barmaid
Film.Descendants: Jay whistling at Carlos showing off his new jersey. An example of the "awed" variant, it seems
Film.The Woman In The Window: Alice lurks near her portrait and listens for a wolf whistle from men
FireEmblemAwakening.Tropes S To Z: Discussion by Maribelle and Olivia about terrible pickup lines accompanied by wolf whistles
Funny.Courage The Cowardly Dog: Muriel excitedly whistling at Eustace and Shwick who have taken off their clothes/carapace
Funny.House Of Mouse: Animatronic parrot whistling after Mickey and Minnie kiss
Saturday Night Live Season 42: Occurs in the skit, "Why is Benedict Cumberbatch Hot?"
Funny.Tom And Jerry: Jokingly used when Jerry shaved down to a Fur Bikini
HoYay.Fire Emblem: Same context as above Fire Emblem Awakening page
LetsPlay.Obscure Game Theatre: Frankomatic does this when Vivi is first introduced
Literature.Armadilha Para Lobisomem: Is part of a Running Gag ("Mad Dog indeed.") Not enough context
Literature.Mildred Pierce: Mildred in a bikini goading Monte for a whistle
MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs.Council Space: Same context as above Too Much Information
Music.Brothers: Mentioned in "Howlin' for You"
Music.Joes Garage: Heard in "Wet T-Shirt Nite"
Pinball.Playboy Stern: Given the look of the device...
Pinball.Taxi: played when the female character gets picked up
PlayingWith.Race Fetish: men whistling at an attractive elf
House Of Mouse: Humphrey stopping at a TV channel with a "sexy female voice" announcing "The Bear Necessities Channel"
Recap.Blakes Seven S 3 E 6 City At The Edge Of The World: An appreciative sound at Kerril in a dress
Recap.Kim Possible S 1 E 4 Tick Tick Tick: Ron at an image of Shego
Recap.The Lion Guard S 1 E 2 The Rise Of Makuu: Chick Magnet character gets wolf whistles from lady hippos
ShesGotLegs.Western Animation: Raphael at April who's wearing a slave outfit that shows her legs
VideoGame.Super Seducer: Richard can whistle at a girl walking by
VideoGame.Tales Of Monkey Island: mentioned in the Show Some Leg trope
WebVideo.Gwain Saga: Deva wolf whistling at a boy she likes
WebVideo.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Abridged: Shirtless Jonathan accompanied by a wolf whistle
WesternAnimation.Hollywood Steps Out: students whistling after witnessing Sally Rand's dance
WesternAnimation.Red Hot Riding Hood: Goes without saying. Delivered by an actual wolf
WesternAnimation.Rhapsody Rabbit: Audience wolf whistles at a pin-up girl
WhateleyUniverse.Tropes J To Z: Hive gets one after walking out of the shower, Hippolyta gets one while in her Halloween costume
Edited by Tabs on Mar 4th 2019 at 1:05:14 AM
Lost in Space
Are we suggesting that whistling is a trope in and of itself? Because I have some serious doubts about that.
Anyway, if we want to change Wolf Whistle, we need TRS. If we want to TLP a new trope about non-sexual whistles, then go nuts, although I've already said I don't think it's going to work out.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 5th 2019 at 10:36:43 AM
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I don't think whistling is a trope in and of itself, I was specifically looking for a trope for awed whistling, which would have been on the Character Reaction Index, and I saw that the closest thing we have to what I had in mind was Wolf Whistle.
That said, thanks for pointing me to Trope Repair Shop to take a look at Wolf Whistle. Based on Tabs's wick check, I think they wouldn't have to do much, just tweak the description a little after I see if I can get an "awed whistle" draft through the Trope Launch Pad. That's my plan, I'm asking around on here to see if it's worth starting.
Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 5th 2019 at 10:00:59 AM
If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.Here's the Trope Launch Pad draft I started. Would it be a better idea to run the Trope Repair Shop thread for Wolf Whistle simultaneously with developing this draft, or after the draft is launched?
Edited by Miss_Desperado on Jun 5th 2019 at 5:11:30 AM
If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.Here's the Trope Repair Shop thread I started, maybe a moderator will unlock it.
Big thanks to Fighteer for unlocking the Trope Repair Shop thread. Taking a leap of faith that I'm not trying to trope People Sit on Chairs whistling probably wasn't easy.
If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.I mentioned the Trope Repair Shop project on the Trope Description Improvement Drive in hopes of pulling in more Wiki Magic.
Berrenta says the clock is ticking on the Trope Repair Shop project for Wolf Whistle.
Crowner available on the Trope Repair Shop project. Please swing by and vote!
If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.Crowner called, trope repair shop project closed.
So, while looking for characters whistling at cool explosions
, I noticed that Wolf Whistle doesn't exclude non-sexual examples. Should it? I'm thinking of starting a Sister Trope on Trope Launch Pad for the purpose of getting all the non-sexual examples off of Wolf Whistle and into their own trope.
If not for this anchor I'd be dancing between the stars. At least I can try to write better vampire stories than Twilight.