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Damsel Fight-and-Flight Response and Once is Not Enough seem to be different viewpoints of the same events?
What's the difference between He's Okay and I'm Okay!?
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Lame Excuse and Playing Sick seem to be similar concepts, but don't wick to each other. Should they?
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
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- Yes, especially since Lame Excuse's second paragraph says:
"The injury or disease may or may not be largely inhibiting or even real."
Waif-Fu - Is Martial Arts skill needed? 'Cause I've got Fanfic.Dungeon Keeper Ami, a slender 14 / 15 year old girl, able to telekinetically attack with forces that would pulp her body.
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I think Waif-Fu is a subtrope of She-Fu, which is about female fighters doing styled moves with lots of elaborate dodges. So yes, it does have to involve martial arts.
- A simple punch counts as "Martial Arts" enough, right?
Wait, no, it's gotta be fancy martial arts, right? Not just punching above your weight class?
PlayingWith.Scheherezade Gambit says that Perilous Play is an Invocation.
Perilous Play calls itself a Inversion of Scheherezade Gambit.
What's the correct relation?
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I'd say they're both wrong, and they should only be compared to each other. The "delaying tactic" and mutual enthusiasm are missing from Perilous Play. The antagonist holds the storyteller hostage in both (and sometimes isn't trying to kill them in Perilous).
Edited by crazysamaritan on Jun 2nd 2019 at 12:14:13 PM
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Higher Self wicks to The Consigliere, but there's no crosswicking.
I guess the connection is that The Consigliere serves the role that a Higher Self does?
Also, what's the connection between the indexes, This Index Is Copypasted and Doppelgänger?
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I'd agree that The Consigliere represents a character role in the same way that the Higher Self represents a personality facet.
I believe This Index Is Copypasted is an index of tropes about copying and Doppelgänger is a supertrope for characters that look alike.
I'd like to hear opinions on the relationships between The Magnificent, Red Baron, and The Butcher. The latter two tropes don't agree on their relationship.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:14:53 PM
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Our Monsters Are Different looks like an Index, and is typed as an Index, but its 700+
wicks, show that it's used as a trope.
Dewick?
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He Who Must Not Be Seen... How is it different from The Ghost?
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If it's typed as an index, it should probably be dewicked.
According to He Who Must Not Be Seen, The Ghost is apparently a variant of it, though it seems more like a subtrope when we take the other two variants into consideration. The Ghost is simply not seen, The Voice is not seen, but heard, and the Faceless is seen, but not for the face. He Who Must Not Be Seen seems to be the "simply not seen" definition again.
- So, TRS for The Ghost and He Who Must Not Be Seen, right?
Gondor Calls for Aid vs. The Cavalry.
If someone is sent, mid-fighting, to call for aid, is that at least some variety of Gondor Calls for Aid, or must it just be deliberately planned, before fighting?
I guess my idea might be Bring Help Back, for the person sent to retrieve help... If a person is sent, and help isn't more literally called in, like via cellphone.
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Is Wicked Cultured a Sub-Trope of Cultured Badass, or are they Sister Trope s with the latter being limited to "good" characters?
What's the connection between Spam Attack, Multishot and Spread Shot?
VideoGame.Titan Quest has the Volley skill that turns one arrow / throwing knife / axe / discus / chakram, into three, and that's listed under Flechette Storm, a Spam Attack subtrope?
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Flechette Storm probably shouldn't be a Sub-Trope to Spam Attack. Multishot and Spread Shot might need to be merged. The difference between Spread Shot and Spam Attack is the difference between a single attack and using a single attack a ridiculous number of times. Your "split into three weapons" is a type covered in Spread Shot, but the Flechette Storm can occur from a Spam Attack as well.
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Kill and Replace and Replicant Snatching are different how?
They both seem like "Someone dies, and the killer takes their place".
A section of Rapid-Fire Descriptors is, or is not a Long List, even though it's not someone deliberately listing things out like a shopping list?
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I don't see Rapid-Fire Descriptors and Long List as related. Saying several adjectives in a row either in anger or to sound clever in a Purple Prose way is different from deliberately listing items. IMO. :-)
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
I really need to stop forgetting to/procrastinating on checking back on this thread when I'm not kept away by real life.
Do the tropes listed in Weapon of X-Slaying qualify as its subtropes?
What became of the Kill Tally subject from here?
RE Our Monsters Are Different: No, don't dewick it! Just one look at the page shows you a full-fledged trope description! Seriously, how hard is that to figure out???
RE Waif-Fu: Actually, both it and She-Fu reference each other in their respective descriptions in ways that strongly imply they merely overlap a lot.
RE The Magnificent vs. Red Baron vs. The Butcher: From my reading, the primary distinctions between them are as follows:
- Red Baron can take many forms in terms of structure (whether it comes before/after a person's name, or is an independent title that can replace the personal altogehter), and it could be a seemingly ordinary name that gained connotations of badassery by association with its bearer; e.g. "The Ribbon" doesn't sound impressive, but in Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies, its association with the One-Man Army protagonist (whose Moebius strip emblem resembles a ribbon, and is referred to as such by other characters) turned it into a byword for an unstoppable grim reaper among the Erusean military.
- The Magnificent is an epithet that comes either before or after a person's name (e.g. Good King Henry, Alexander the Great), must sound impressive (or lame, in the case of Subverted Trope / Inverted Trope examples, such as "Charles the Bald", in which case it overlaps with Embarrassing Nickname).
- The Butcher is a Red Baron nickname that must sound blatantly dreadful. You'll notice in the examples that there are several examples of the form "Butcher of X", which almost certainly can replace a person's name altogether if it's sufficiently notorious (a rare exception being "Butcher of the Balkans", as it has been applied to several people), thus it can't be The Magnificent.
Therefore, I believe The Magnificent is a close sibling to Red Baron that overlaps when it the former sounds awesome and/or terrifying (as opposed to being lame-sounding, unless it's treated in-universe as an awesome/intimidating epithet regardless). On the other hand, The Butcher seems like a subtrope of Red Baron that sometimes overlaps with The Magnificent. Incidentally, it probably would've helped if The Magnificent had been named something like John The Magnificent when it was created.
An article about Literally Shattered Lives that accidentally links to Human Popsicle would be great evidence in favour of renaming.
Wait, what do you mean "used to"? And on another note, do you actually mean "wicks" (links from other TV Tropes articles) or "inbounds" (off-site links)? Because they way you phrased some of your sentences makes it seem like your definition of "wick" shifts from the actual definition to conflating it with "inbound".
They both seem like "Someone dies, and the killer takes their place".
Edited by MarqFJA on Oct 20th 2019 at 5:10:03 PM
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- I think I agree with most of your thoughts on my questions, but in order to bring their descriptions in-line with your thoughts on the definitions of those tropes...
Our Monsters Are Different doesn't have an Example List though... Very un-trope-like of it...
And it's not in the Example Sectionectomy index?
How many of those need to be taken to the Repair Shop?
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Wrong thread sorry
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 21st 2019 at 12:59:38 PM
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
I consider Our Monsters Are Different to be in the same boat as Ice Queen and Applied Phlebotinum: The SOP is to see if any of the multitude of subtropes cover the example(s) you're thinking of, and if none truly do then make a new trope for it.
How to evaluate whether an example goes on Triang Relations vs. Love Triangle?
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Double-posting since it's been 4 days and no one else has said anything...
Blatant Lies seems to have too many wicks (10K+) to not have Sub Tropes...
Is Bad Liar or Suspiciously Specific Denial, a Sub-Trope of Blatant Lies?
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Suspiciously Specific Denial is already listed on Blatant Lies as a subtrope. As for Bad Liar... No, because Blatant Lies is "lie should be plainly obvious, but it's somehow perfectly convincing to the characters", whereas Bad Liar is about the liar being incapable of telling convincing lies to other characters, even if the audience couldn't tell that they're lying until another character calls them out (likely because the audience lacks information that the character has).
Edited by MarqFJA on Oct 26th 2019 at 1:23:09 PM
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