Is this an example?

Apologies for this being late, but what I meant is if it counts as Force Feeding if the situation is someone forcing themselves to eat a meal to appease their family even though they are already feeling unwell.

Number 1 CGI Fireman Sam defender

Sorry about this since it hasn't been that long yet, but since we're on a new page, I'm reposting my question here.

"Rarity, are you okay? We gotta get you and your friends outta here soon!"

No

Don’t think so, the description is pretty focused on it being a type of torture

It is generally agreed the 2000s were a Dork Age for the mouse, but it was in no way enough to kill them. Also, X Killer cleanup

I removed a They Changed It, Now It Sucks! example from Green Eggs and Ham (2019) after we agreed to it in the complaining thread, since it was dumb shipping drama. However, it was readded recently, albeit with the last sentence I complained about removed.

• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Season 2 is particularly unpopular among people who ship Sam/Guy or even just enjoy their dynamic in a platonic sense, as they spend very little of the season in the same location, and when they do interact, they spend most of that time arguing.

What's the "It" established that was later changed?

Does real life -> fiction count as an adaptation? There's a chained sinkhole on Marry the Nanny about the daughter called Louisa in The Sound of Music having the name Maria in real life, and since one of the links is Adaptational Name Change I'm thinking of just removing that one.

Edited by AnotherWanderingGhost on Sep 25th 2022 at 4:19:41 AM

Technically yes ... you often hear about a real person/event that was adapted in a major movie or whatnot.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

The "it" is Sam and Guy now going through separate plotlines, instead of mainly being together like in Season 1. Sam is trying to reconnect with his parents, and Guy has a family to raise.

Are there all Long Title?

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

These two are shorter and are listed:

Edited by Malady on Sep 25th 2022 at 6:44:00 AM

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None of those are long.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

I agree.

For Too Dumb to Live, does the knowledge in question need to be common and accepted in the time of the person's death? I was looking at Ghosts (US) and this list of the reported examples.

• Too Dumb to Live: How a lot of the ghosts ended up dead.
  • Thorfinn was wearing his metal helmet during a thunderstorm.
  • Isaac didn’t think it was important to frequently wash his hands to prevent dysentery.
  • Elias commissioned a secret vault, then slept with the wife of the man who built it.
  • Implied with Crash.
  • Flower got so high, she tried to hug a bear.
  • Pete gave dangerous weapons to children, then stood in front of them.
  • Trevor mixed a bunch of unlabeled drugs.
  • Stephanie stayed to make out in the car with her prom date even after hearing a radio bulletin about an escaped chainsaw killer in the area.

Thorfinn died nearly 1000 years ago when the level of science was much lower, and lightning can travel very far in any storm. I don't think it fits.
For Isaac, he died during the Revolutionary War when handwashing was nowhere near accepted as a good form of hygiene as it is today.
Elias might qualify as this could be seen as Mugging the Monster or not expecting the cuckold man to respond in some fashion.
Crash is ZCE.
For Flower, does having drugs in her head mitigate how stupid she was at the moment?
Pete might qualify as that could be seen like juggling loaded guns.
Not sure about Trevor.
And Stephanie might qualify as she is ignoring the important news program.

I came across this entry while browsing through the YMMV page for Gone Girl.

• Ass Pull: After growing attached to Diary Amy, it can be a shock for the viewer to discover that not only was Nick being played by Amy, so was the viewer.

I'm fairly certain that this is an incorrect use of the trope (given that The Reveal about Amy's true nature is exactly that: a reveal - and one that doesn't even happen near the end for that matter), but since it's been on the page for quite a while and no one's saw fit to remove it, I wanted to check if there was something I was missing.

Edited by WiryAiluropodine on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:18:16 PM

I think only Flower and Trevor would count. Stephanie is an invoked example (that's a very slasher movie cliche storm there).

The rest can be cut.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

Ass Pull is for those "less than graceful" covering of plot holes, so no I don't think that example counts. That reveal was the entire point of the movie.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me

Just wondering, could Minor Major Character be applied to real-life historical characters in regards to the overall plot of the work? Tokugawa Ieyasu is heavily tied to several figures in the Fate series such as Muramasa and Mitsunari and the Tokugawa clan itself is a central plot point in one of FGO events, but Ieyasu himself has only appeared once in a gag manga and hasn't reappeared since.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

In the anime version of Angelic Layer, Masaya Onosaka voices Ichiro "Icchan" Miyahara with a Kansai Regional Accent. He previously used a similar accent for Kerberos's true form in Cardcaptor Sakura.

Does this fit under Actor Allusion or Casting Gag?

Edited by gjjones on Sep 26th 2022 at 9:42:49 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

How many of these are actual examples of Ass Pull and not just complaining?

• Pokémon: The Series:
  • Every once in a while, a Pokémon evolving does not follow established rules from the games, the most common example being those happening mid-battle, but there are specific examples such as Sliggoo evolving in its own Rain Dance when it only evolves during natural rain.
  • The "Thunder Armor" seen during the Mossdeep Gym battle is an oft-cited example of glorious stupidity. Pikachu uses a electric attack that gets reflected back to itself and Swellow, which somehow becomes some sort of armour. Essentially granting the user(s) invincibility out of nowhere, without being used again at all in the rest of the series? What makes you scratch your head, though, is how Ash came up with the idea in the first place, and how Pikachu knew what he wanted without even being told. Pikachu just randomly aims at a nearby cloud in the sky after being told to use the attack, like he read Ash's mind or something. More importantly, how does his Swellow not get harmed at all? It's a Flying type, which is weak to Electric Type attacks.
  • Fans are still sore on how Pikachu, an infant Pokémon still in his early days of adventuring, could knock out Rhydon, an Ground/Rock beast with a single Thundershock through his natural electricity grounding. Ash claiming that Rhydon's horn conducted the shock through his immunities pretty much sealed this trope. Especially a couple of years later when Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire introduced Pokémon Abilities. Specifically, it gave Rhydon the Lightningrod ability, which attracts Electric-attacks to itself and nulls them through its own horn. So how to explain that again, Ash...?
  • The most logic-defying example yet may be with the introduction of a second Mewtwo in Pokémon: Genesect and the Legend Awakened. Creating another Mewtwo should be impossible, given Mew's extreme rarity and the original Mewtwo destroying all knowledge of its creation, yet a group of scientists never seen before (or since) manage to find Mew DNA offscreen, get the idea to create Mewtwo, and manage to engineer their Mewtwo's DNA to create a physically identical specimen, all with no indication that they even know there's a Mewtwo in existence already. And no explanation for why they even bothered to create Mewtwo is ever given. Even worse is that during the Diamond & Pearl series (a mere five years prior), it was outright said there was only one Mewtwo in the world.
  • Pokémon: The First Movie: Infamously, when Ash dies, the tears of Pikachu and the large crowd of Pokémon surrounding him float towards him and somehow bring him back to life. This is technically slightly foreshadowed, but the idea is still so nonsensical and cheap it's still wildly considered an ass pull, especially since the concept is never shown again in the series.
  • Pokémon Journeys has a girl's Feebas evolving while holding a Prism Scale, which is untrue, as it can only evolve through trading while holding the item. A later episode has Goh's Scyther evolving while actually holding a Metal Coat through trading. Bizarrely enough, though, how it evolves is through a machine that exists for the sake of evolving Pokémon through trades without actually trading; a feature that is completely alien to the games. Neither of these instances are discussed much in-universe.
    • Grookey's capture episode. It just so happens to be one of Team Rocket's gatcha machine Pokémon that conveniently wanders into Cerise's Lab (of all places in Vermilion City) at night and decides to sleep with Goh. Why does it do that? There is no reason whatsoever. The monkey just so happened to find Goh likeable despite not even knowing him properly.
• Pokémon Adventures had Ruby reveal out of the blue at the end of his arc that he's had Celebi on hand the entire time. Careful digging through the dialogue earlier on can find tiny hints that lead to it, but it still largely feels this way.

The first is nit picking on game mechanics not being put in a adaptation.

Any of the others?

More specifically, I think all of them except for The Horn and Mewtwo 2 might be misuse.

• Thunder Armor - Ash's Swellow was noted in-universe to be unusually resistant to electric-type attacks ever since its debut.
• Tear Revival - Technically foreshadowed - Ass Pull is about a twist having no foreshadowing. Celebi can be disqualified for the same reasons.
• Milotic - complaining that anime isn't 100% accurate to the games
  • Grookey - complaining that Grookey chose Goh instead of staying with Team Rocket.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:55:33 AM

Regarding the examples in Ghosts (US), I haven't seen the series, but i think that, as written, they apply (except the zero-context one).

Becuase it doesn't actually matter if it makes sense or not depending on the knowledge of the time, but how the series itself frames it. And if the series implies they are dumb for doing those things that led to their deaths, then it counts.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=898#comment-22429

The comparison (thing liked, thing changed) should be made more clear (maybe you can fold in badtothebaritone's explanation) because right now, it reads like "shippers don't like this".

I have a two entries from Characters.Persona 5 Takuto Maruki that I deleted but were readded. One is for Affably Evil

I don’t think he qualifies since he isn’t evil. He genuinely wants to create a world where everyone is happy but is severely and tragically misguided in doing so. Affably Evil should only apply to characters who are genuinely evil but are nice and polite. He better fits Obliviously Evil since he isn’t aware of the consequences of what he is doing (killing any reason to live or grow as a person) The other is for Ax-Crazy. This one is almost certainly misuse since Maruki only fights the thieves when he is absolutely forced to. Ax-Crazy isn’t for characters who are insane (which Maruki absolutely is) but for characters who are unstable and prone to random fits of violence.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Sep 26th 2022 at 4:59:35 AM

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?

For Later-Installment Weirdness, where would these two go?

• This occurred with Transformers: Dark of the Moon:
  • The Transformers: Dark of the Moon is divided into three chapters for the Autobots, three for the Decepticons and one for Optimus Prime and an epilogue unlike the previous two games where there was an Autobot Campaign with an abridged version of the film's plot and the Decepticon Campaign which was an alternate telling of the film. In addition, it's supposed to be a prequel but contradicts the film a couple of times (at the end of the Optimus Prime boss battle, Megatron kicks Optimus into Shockwave's room to be killed by the Decepticon assassin despite needing the Matrix to reawaken Sentinel in the film and the component Megatron needs Shockwave to retrieve is a Pillar instead of the Ark's engine component.) Also, the multiplayer is WFC's multiplayer with new names for the classes and most of the voice cast is from WFC too with the exception of Jess Harnell as Ironhide and Steve Blum as Starscream.
  • The comic book tie in is written by John Barber and as such, has numerous references to the previous story, Rising Storm. For instance, the Autobots' first scene has Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Mirage (Dino) and Wheeljack (Que) raiding an "illegal nuclear facility" in the Middle East, recovering illegally-possessed Cybertronian technology that the country had been covertly supplied with by the Decepticons.

I think they may be Live-Action films but I'm not sure.

Hi!

Dark of the Moon is a Live-Action Film, so probably there.

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