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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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I thought of that, but the description specifically notes that it's the player/viewer's choices and actions that result in what ending they get; this is simply "one site has this ending, this site has the other ending". Though the Newgrounds endings are supposed to be the canon ones.
Honestly, while I'm definitely coming at this from an outsider perspective, there's always been a part of me that thought YouTuber Apology Parody is an overly specific trope and it should really be expanded to cover all obviously insincere PR-driven apologies in fiction.
These examples from Film.X Men First Class looks like a zero-context example, how could they be improved?:
- Broad Strokes: The filmmakers have outright said that they're giving story a much higher priority than continuity.
- Darkerand Edgier: The movie beats X2: X-Men United to the title of the most dramatic, heart-wrenching, and pessimistic in the series.
- Period Piece: 1962. Groovy.
Edited by Merseyuser1 on Apr 15th 2021 at 6:37:26 PM
The third example, despite having the least text, has the most context. IIRC, the setting was pretty much Present-Day Past where people would occasionally say "groovy" and there were items from the 60s but they were off by a year or few.
Yeah, the only thing you need for Period Piece is when it was set and when it was made. "Released in 2011, set in the 1960s" is the bare minimum contextnote . More about the specific setting's portrayal is appreciated though.
Darker and Edgier needs to show that it's darker than the preceding installments in some way, not just the darkest.
2xpost: Is Identical Twin ID Tag flexible enough to count alternate universe counterparts of characters, who don't know the other world exists? Since the description focuses on this being a conscious decision by said twins to maintain individuality. Eg. Alice has long straight hair in Earth-1, and bangs and shoulder-length hair in Earth-2.
Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 15th 2021 at 6:09:21 AM
Angry babby
Going over The Eleven O'Clock Number, I noticed a lot of entries that a) were not close to the end of the musical, or b) listed multiple songs, albeit ones that were close together. How close can a song be to the end of the show before it's considered an EOCN, and can multiple songs in the same show count?
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 15th 2021 at 7:27:58 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
i'm at the combination she and it
i would say that counts as Identical Twin ID Tag, though it could qualify for its own trope if it were TLP'd. the example that comes to mind is the difference between "pony-turned-human" twilight sparkle and "already-human" twilight sparkle in My Little Pony: Equestria Girls. maybe name it Doppelganger Differentiator?
Edited by NoUsername on Apr 15th 2021 at 7:31:35 AM
The host of a Video Review Show is very vocal on how much he hates a character from a film and his irritating song. Is this an invoked case of The Scrappy?
Ultimate Secret Wars
Angry babby
No, it's just one person's opinion. If he talks about the entire fandom seeing the character as The Scrappy, then it would count.
EOCN: I think the main thing is that it has to be by the end. So a song can have multiples as long as they're near the end of the show.
Does Sobriquet Sex Switch cover names that aren't exactly the masc/fem forms of each other? I'm thinking of Benni from Dark (2017), who is implied to have gone from Benjamin to Bernadette. These names don't share an etymology but Benni is an acceptable nickname for both.
(she/her)
I think it counts. There are examples on the page that aren't from the same etymology tree but share the same firs letter. Adrian and Alice is listed as a downplayed example in the playing with page for instance.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 16th 2021 at 7:27:12 AM
Macron's notes
Adrian and Alice actually sound a little too dissimilar, to my mind, though I agree that names sharing a common nickname fit.
Edited by nrjxll on Apr 16th 2021 at 9:25:48 AM
Gold Is Yellow is a visual-only trope, right? Because it can't be verbally described any other way?
I had this, but not sure it would count:
- The Ordinary Princess: Mentioned when referring to the hair of princesses, which should be:
as yellow as the gold that is mined by the little gnomes in the mountains of the north.
Edited by Malady on Apr 17th 2021 at 8:09:04 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
Gold really is yellow, but the bright yellow gold of the trope needs a visual, unless the narrative points that out somehow. Maybe it's really thinking of blond hair as earthen yellow.
Edited by Tabs on Apr 17th 2021 at 9:14:34 AM
Is this an example of Dramatic Irony
- Neo's relentless attempts to kill Ruby lead to Ruby stating that she hopes whatever Neo wanted is worth it. In Volume 6, Cinder told Neo she can't kill Ruby because Salem wants her alive. What both Ruby and Neo don't know is that Cinder's tricked Neo into redirecting her vengeance for Roman's death from Cinder to Ruby in order to achieve that aim.
Just because a character doesn't know why another wants them dead doesn't really seem ironic at all. Then the case of Cinder "tricking" Neo is in question as to how Cinder convinced Neo to go after Ruby (who Neo last saw Roman with) instead was never shown.
Angry babby
Dramatic Irony isn't the same as Irony; it just refers to the audience knowing something important that the characters don't, which seems to be the case here.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Purposefully Untitled
Can a non-sentient inanimate object - albeit a magic one - quality as a Super-Persistent Predator?
What happens here is that the target blocked the weapon, and the weapon's owner simply picked it up and left. But from that point onwards, whenever one of the was summoned from the afterlife (long story), the second one would also get summoned because the weapon's magic wants to hit the heart no matter what, and nothing else will do.
So basically the weapon is so persistent that it bends magic rituals, the afterlife itself and shit just to get the specific target, despite being non sentient and having no will on its own.
Pretty sure that's "super persistent".
SpaceBattles.com fanworks (unnoficial) index in my Sandbox.
Was reading through Characters.Monster Verse Kaiju, and I want to ask about the following potentially conflicting entries on Rodan that seems to rely on Alternate Character Interpretation:
- Brainwashed and Crazy: Rodan is forced to become Ghidorah's slave after Godzilla apparently dies and Ghidorah uses his powers to enslave the Kaiju of Earth.
- I Fight for the Strongest Side!: It's made clear by the end of the film that Rodan's allegiance is with whoever holds the title of "King of the Monsters". All it takes is Ghidorah defeating Rodan to make the latter bow to him and take his side, betraying his former allies. When Godzilla defeats Ghidorah in turn, Rodan is quick to switch sides again.
- Loyal to the Position: Another way to interpret his Heel–Face Revolving Door.
- Made a Slave: King Ghidorah defeats him and makes Rodan his servant, forcing him to fight both Mothra and the human armies for Ghidorah's own benefit so that Godzilla may not gain any assistance.
- The Quisling: Downplayed, but after the Titans acknowledge Ghidorah as their new alpha, Rodan in particular stays close to Ghidorah as the latter's personal vanguard whilst the other Titans cause destruction on other continents. Probably justified by Rodan being at Ghidorah's location when he declares himself alpha and/or Ghidorah seeking to punish Rodan for initially fighting him.
Now the films obviously don't tell us what the monsters are thinking nor provide a clear motive for their actions, and I don't think they really explain how the Kaiju hierarchy works or the extent of influence the Alpha has on others. In any case, half these entries indicate that Rodan is forced to serve under Ghidorah (like the rest of the titans), while half assume that he willingly chose to submit to the false king after being beaten. I don't think both can be true, though I'm not sure which interpretation is more valid. Most comments I see of the character seem to favour the second one, though.
Musician/Composer
So, regarding the Even the Loving Hero Has Hated Ones trope (a villain trope assigned to a bad villain so despicable that even the all-loving hero hates them), do you guys think the following example fits under Luffy's page or would it be more appropriate to move it to the villain's section?
- Even the Loving Hero Has Hated Ones: Luffy is friendly towards anyone but the Celestial Dragons are so vicious that they're the only group hestates to unequivocally hate with a passion. Luffy also despises Crocodile for making Vivi cry and ally with him at Impel Down only because it's convenient.
Angry babby
I think it belongs under the page for the hero.
The Moron
@mew: Regarding The Eleven O'Clock Number, by definition there can only be one and it must be near the end of the show without being the actual finale - it's the musical climax of the show, in essence. I noticed you commented out a bunch of ZCEs on the page - I'm a self-proclaimed theatre nerd, so I'll probably be able to give some of them the context they need.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 18th 2021 at 3:51:49 PM
@Lermis: You may be looking at an exaggerated/justified Homing Projectile or Always Accurate Attack.
@Adept: Not familiar with the work, but if all of these are audience speculation then and the work does not clarify which is the correct one, then they can be removed on the basis of speculative troping.
Do the monks of Senpou Temple in Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice count as a Religion of Evil or as a Corrupt Church?
Context: The monks of Senpou Temple, in the game's own words, "lost the path of the Buddha" and became seekers of immortality, doing things such as doing deadly experiments on children and literally covering their own bodies in centipedes (which are a symbol of moral impurity in Buddhism).
On another note, does YouTuber Apology Parody need to specifically parody Youtubers? Because the South Park example is from before apology videos really became a thing, and is parodying corporate apologies more than anything:
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 14th 2021 at 1:57:49 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.