Is this an example?

Mighty@ Is this pertaining the human like characters in Mooni? Note that Mooni are actually Earthlings who got accidentally teleported there.

I was going to add this to Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy:

• The Pink Panther- the 1993 Continuity Reboot series:
  • "Lifestyles of the Pink and Famous" which aired in November 1994 has no characters that anyone can feel good about, aside from, maybe, the protagonist, but because they're rich people, they're considered Acceptable Targets. The two main rich people of the episode are Jerkasses who behave in a way that is Privilege Makes You Evil. The two are morally bankrupt snobs who seem to hate him. The Only Sane Man of the episode (well, only sane woman) only makes a minor appearance to resolve the conflict and there's a Work Off the Debt ending.
  • In the 1995 Backdoor Pilot episode "Hamm-N-Eggz", a Lower-Deck Episode following the Camp Gay chicken and chef pig Hamm has morally ambiguous characters, a mob boss with a Spoiled Sweet daughter who's a Rich Bitch, and no characters are the voice of reason. Although it has an Esoteric Happy Ending, it's still an episode that's got a few unlikeable characters.
  • The episode "Voodoo Man" has a The Faceless Witch Doctor protagonist who is a Wild Card, and few of the protagonists are likeable, with the exception of Buddy Bimmel's son who later becomes a Kid with the Leash to Voodoo Man (who isn't exactly evil, more a Witch Doctor with No Social Skills), especially after the Trauma Conga Line that Voodoo Man goes through due to the weatherman placing a lightning bolt over his island on a map (It Makes Sense in Context).

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 12th 2021 at 10:47:38 AM

The Ultimates, a reimagination of the Avengers, has this entry about Black Widow.

• Composite Character: She has most of the qualities of Natasha Romanoff: name, appearance, super identity, and affiliation with her world's prime super-team. She take additional traits from Yelena Belova as a supervillainous Black Widow who is loyal to Russia and is an enemy of the Avengers. Finally, she attributes of Pepper Potts, as a red-headed woman who is romantically attached to Tony Stark.

Isn't it a bit forced? Being secretly loyal to Russia was used as a plot twist, not as a reference to another character. And having the same hair color of Stark's girlfriend... really?

From PutOnABus.Western Animation:

• Happens regularly in Avatar: The Last Airbender. Minor characters such as Haru, Jet and his Freedom Fighters, Suki, the Mechanist and others are introduced in one episode, never mentioned or seen again until half a season or more later, pop up for one more episode, and disappear again. The series finale managed to bring back everyone (who hadn't died) in a group shot, except for the handful that were put on a Long Bus Trip.

The issue is that this isn't recurring characters being written out of the show. It's just that the show (especially the first season) has a very episodic structure, where the heroes will go to a new place and meet new characters every episode, then move on. Does Put on a Bus cover that? It seems different from a recurring character being actively written out.

Edited by TheMountainKing on Feb 12th 2021 at 11:57:01 AM

DIAA is not about "episodes the audience did not like for being too dark", it is "the audience stops watching entirely because the show on the whole is too dark".

Pepper Potts exists in the Ultimates continuity, so that definitely does not apply to her. Natasha's Russian defector backstory has always been prominent, so the reversal is probably better off as just an Adaptational Villainy entry.

I agree that doesn't apply.

It's not like ATLA has an ensemble cast that appears in every episode. The structure of the show is that characters come and go as needed for the stories. So I absolutely agree that Put on a Bus cannot apply.

Does anyone know if there's a Shout-Out cleanup? Because I've been seeing a LOT of shoehorning there.

• Refuge in Audacity: Name one other game that lets you beat a zombie to death with an egg. Or lets them beat you to death with an egg.

this is listed on minecraft. It seems misused, can I remove it?

Edited by Tremmor19 on Feb 12th 2021 at 5:46:59 AM

The trope is also In Universe Examples Only so I assume that's a cut.

Rock Mario and Brolder have a visual resemblence to Golem Does this count as a Shout-Out?

I feel like "giant rock with a tiny head, hands, and feet" is too common to be a reference to Golem specifically.

Is this an example of Hired to Hunt Yourself:

• Car And Driver once had a story of a man who came upon the aftermath of a drunk driving accident. However, the driver was missing. More passersby stopped to see what happened and a search party soon formed. One man was chosen as leader and started to come up with ideas for the search. After a couple of unsuccessful searches, someone noticed that the ideas man smelled strongly of alcohol. The drunk driver was leading the search for his own body.

Even if they have similar shell structures?

Can pink be substituted for red in Red and Black and Evil All Over?

Still not enough. The connection with Pokémon has to be more explicit. One of the most frequent misuses of Shout-Out is attributed to similarities between works that are hard to confirm to be actual homages.

Maybe dark pink? I'd have to see it for myself but I'm leaning toward 'no' — pink and red have pretty different sets of connotations.

What exactly qualifies as Harder Than Hard?

I have two examples for an Updated Re-release of an already Nintendo Hard game. The original only had one difficulty setting.

The re-release has an easy, normal, and hard mode, with normal bring slightly easier than the original. However, Hard is not only harder than the original, in terms of enemy HP and damage, but also blocks the normal SP (MP) regeneration of the normal game, adding an entire new dimension of difficulty as now you have to manage how much magic you have left right from the get-go; THE most important stat. However, Hard mode is available from the beginning and doesn't come with special warnings.

The same Updated Re-release also has an "additional scenario" which I was told was exceedingly hard in any difficulty. Basically, while playing you have no party members for most of it, you cannot change your skills, for healing you have to rely solely on items, and you cannot save. Not to mention a couple of nightmarish bosses that come with it. There are several bosses, but some of those deliberately target your weakness, block your elemental affinities, and there's that one m*********r who blocks half your moves (all the strong ones), can prevent you from using the rest (and resists them), and heals more than you can deal him. Seriously, I was told you must be at max level to attempt the scenario and hope to survive it. But the game only warns you about the "can't save" bit.

Do these qualify as Harder Than Hard when they don't need to be unlocked and the game doesn't warn you about them?

Edited by Lermis on Feb 13th 2021 at 11:20:54 AM

Dark/hot pink. I've been seeing the combination recently in regards to villainous characters and was wondering if there was any merit. Might bring it to the sounding board...

Before I add these to work pages, are these Digital Destruction:

• Around 2008-2009, re-runs of Only Foolsand Horses episode "The Longest Night" and "The Unlucky Winner Is..." cut off the Title Sequence, although this was not done in other re-runs, it appeared to have been a one-off mistake. In general, these two episodes do not have a Special Edition Title and there was never any explanation given for the error at the time.
• On ITV 4 during 2007-2008, one re-run of Police, Camera, Action! episode "Coat Hanger Man" (in a Re-Cut version), produced in 1998, cut off the Title Sequence and just started straight from presenter Alastair Stewart doing an intro; the original episode had a Batman Cold Open Opening Monologue plus the new-for-1998 Title Sequence, but further re-runs restored this; it was apparently, as with the above example, a one-off error due to, "unforeseen circumstances".

Not at all no. Those are Edited for Syndication I think.

I wasn't sure if they were Edited for Syndication or not due to the first one being a mistake which was why I asked.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 13th 2021 at 12:55:13 PM

There's a "Pink is Violent" draft in the TLP.

wrt Harder Than Hard: There is some confusion about whether this trope is "very hard and unfair difficulty level" or "there's a 'hard' difficulty level and then an even harder one".

On the Fire Emblem: Three Houses page, there's a section of For Want Of A Nail that doesn't seem to fit the description imo. It's basically about how the player character wouldn't have been involved in the game's main plot were it not for the inciting incident, but a) that's true of any conventional narrative and b) it's a game with multiple routes and thus different events causing different outcomes, but one where the player isn't involved is never seen in any of them.

I see. I remembered seeing something on the subject on ATT. I guess I should hold back the example then.