Is this an example?

Maybe Just Here for Godzilla?

And also Yuri Fan.

Maybe Best Known for the Fanservice too? (If the yuri is actually in the show.)

Definitely Yuri Fan, probably Large Ham or No Indoor Voice, maybe Hair-Trigger Temper if the quote is from a character who throws fits a lot. Anger Tropes might be a rich vein for finding where it fits.

Suddenly Shouting?

@Dark Paladin X I think those are cool.

I just added this to LongSongShortScene.Video Games, but now I want to know if it’s actually a valid example.

• Plok: The bonus stage theme loops for one minute, which doesn’t seem too long . . . except that the bonus stages only last 40 seconds at the very most. Since players can’t pause during bonus stages, it is impossible to hear the full song in game.

Sounds right to me. The last 20 seconds will never play.

So this was added to EvilIsCool.Western Animation. I have no idea what it Means ? Do you guys ?

• Chris Mc Lean, the host of Total Drama is liked in-universe because of his interesting personality. However, the vast majority of the contestants would realize that they want nothing to do with Chris or "Total Drama" in general. This was prominent in All-Stars and Pahkitew Island, where Chris' challenges became more dangerous than what they were in the previous seasons.

Edited by miraculous on Nov 7th 2020 at 4:21:35 AM

I’ve watched the show, this is just a very badly written example. You can go ahead and cut this.

I think by "in-universe" they mean "out-of-universe," as in he's popular with the fans for his "interesting personality." Personally, I think that's debatable, as Chris is more of a Base-Breaking Character for his sadism, and while he does have fans, it's more because he's funny, not "cool."

That fits Chris's reception better.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 7th 2020 at 7:57:34 AM

Maybe they meant Love to Hate instead ?

I'll remove that from Evil Is Cool and rewrite it for Love to Hate.

Is the following example from Battle of the Sexes being used correctly, seeing as how Trivia items can't be Played With?:

• Disowned Adaptation: A subversion. While both the real-life Billie Jean King and her ex-husband enjoyed the film, they have said that it heavily romanticised Billie Jean's lesbian affair with Marilyn Barnett as it was far from what happened in Real Life, calling it 90% fiction in addition to that her affair ended acrimoniously seven years later, something that the film ignored in the "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue credits.

From the same page isn't this example being misused?:

• Irony as She Is Cast: Emma Stone has admitted that she is not very skilled at tennis.

And also from the same page is the actors being a year younger than the characters really enough to qualify for this?:

• Underage Casting: In 1973, Billie Jean King was 29 and Bobby Riggs was 55. At the time of filming, Emma Stone was 28 and Steve Carell was 54.

Even if reactions could be played with, that wouldn't be a subversion. Kindly remove it.

Irony as She Is Cast is the complete opposite of the example. Axe it like you're Gimli facing an orc, please.

Underage Casting is a trope about being too young to play a role convincingly. Clearly, that's not the case with this example. Cut it like it's class and you're a truant, if you would.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Nov 8th 2020 at 11:51:37 AM

Hi. I was suspended for not keeping to indentation and ZCE rules. Mods suggested I should go here for help. My main beef with the rules is:

a) ZCE is in the eye of the beholder: Sorites paradox applies. Even worse is "implied content" (stuff you don't write explicitely into your edits because it is public knowledge - is it?) Thus, how to find the balance between Beige Prose and Purple Prose? Edits'o'mine were razored for the latter too.

b) /Of course/ I know the indentation rules for multiple-example entries:

<asterisk> Trope Name

<2 asterisks> Example 1

<2 asterisks> Example 2

But I have seen many entries on TVT looking about like this:

<asterisk> Trope Name - generic foo (e.g. "Work X has tons of examples")

<2 asterisks> bar 1

<2 asterisks> bar 2

Would look silly when rewritten in the above scheme. What now? Last example shown on Example Indentation in Trope Lists says use the scheme

<asterisk> Trope Name

<2 asterisks> generic foo

<3 asterisks> bar 1

<3 asterisks> bar 2

which on larger trope name lists looks chaotic to me either, with examples mixed over two and three bullets. Is there another way to avoid this situation?

What do you mean by "generic foo"?

So I was getting a bit feedback on the grammar on a proposed edit on Yui Ogura's page (the post here if you want more details on the trope examples relating to Yui Ogura's voice roles) where I list a bunch of tropes associated with her voice roles. One feedback I got was I need to be more elaborate with the Little Sister Heroine trope as an example. Judging by how I've worded this example, do you think is worth adding or do you think this will be rephrased a bit:

• Little Sister Heroine: Some of the characters she voices are little sisters of the main cast (e.g. Yuuko and Gabrielle).

Not agreeing so much with the idea that ZCEs are in the eye of the beholder. The descriptions need to be self-contained and have to be sufficiently clear to someone who doesn't know anything about the example.

What I do is ignore the trope name and write the description as if it weren't there.

There are two further problems to keep in mind:

-this site wasn't as fussy about ZCEs before, and there are a ton of these still out there from way back when. It's easy to default into that mindset as a result. That temptation needs to be resisted.

-some folks add them and no one else sees it until far later. This is especially common with things like fanfic Works Pages, where nobody but the page creator likely gives a darn about the work. It's always a good idea to ask someone for feedback. One can get myopic without a second eye on the page.

Even after all this time, I still whiff on these occasionally, especially on the Works Page for my own fanfic. I think I've caught them all, but if someone says I missed something, I accept that.

It takes a little bit of focus to do this, but it's required.

And to repeat what I said to DarkPaladinX, that trope isn't just about being a little sister. You need to describe how the character in question is the particular kind of little sister that this trope is about.

Currently checking Overtook the Manga and found this example on Trivia.Grenadier which may or may not be the right trope:

• Overtookthe Manga: Even though the anime differs with the manga plot (changing some characters' motives and personalities taking into consideration how long this anime was going to be), the manga still kept being published for a little while in 2006, after the anime ended.

Also, this one from Trivia.Inuyasha should be Overtook the Series, unless i'm wrong:

• Overtookthe Manga: The first anime ended without any resolution when it overtook the manga. After the manga ended, a second anime Inuyasha: The Final Act was made and continued the story from where the first one left off.

Are either of these valid, or trope misuse?

So in this example above, this is one of the few examples where I need to be more specific with the trope because the trope itself is very specific.

Edited by DarkPaladinX on Nov 8th 2020 at 10:42:12 AM

That's right.

The Name Says It All is a redirect to Meaningful Name:

Nicknames can't be meaningful names, right?

Characters.Webwork:

Not sure how much of a Shout-Out this really is, but this also isn't a new power, is it?

NewPowersAsThePlotDemands.Literature:

And this isn't really that funny, but I guess it counts due to being deliberate yet nonsensical?

Characters.Amagi Brilliant Park:

Edited by Malady on Nov 8th 2020 at 11:33:15 AM

I was reading the Crossover Punchline page, and I found an entry for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Almost all examples are non-comedic (which defies the comedic nature of this trope), and all of them are about MCU movies referencing other MCU movies. All of them belong in the same continuity.

I REALLY don't think that's an example. Remove?

Edited by Lermis on Nov 8th 2020 at 12:02:26 PM