Is this an example?

Don't remember him thirsting for battle. In fact he was more of a White Sheep of the family.

Okay, I'll add it as Accidentally-Correct Writing under the trivia page, just as soon as I can find the original promo and get the exact quote.

Im wondering if Fisher King can be use for when lands are effected and it reflects on a person.

Stillborn Franchise

• Terminator had the dubious designation of having three sequels that failed to set up trilogies. Terminator Salvation (the production company went under) and Terminator Genisys (the horrible domestic performance made Paramount pull the plug on the already scheduled follow-ups - which the movie expected, given it doesn't explain many things and ends on a Sequel Hook). Later, James Cameron ended up returning to the franchise by producing and contributing to the story for a sixth film, Terminator: Dark Fate, that actually continues Terminator 2: Judgment Day and ignores the previously described attempts. Yet once again, that film bombed even harder than either Salvation or Genisys despite receiving better reviews, leading to the studio putting on hold any future films.

I intend to cut as Stillborn Franchise is about when the first installment in the franchise fails to start it, but these are the fourth-sixth installments which failed to continue it. This seems like an attempt to sneak in Franchise Killer which was deemed non applicable here. (And the official sources fail to state there were any actual plans beyond Dark Fate that were derailed.)

Can Stillborn Franchise apply to failed sub-series? It's listed on Trivia.Mega Man Maverick Hunter X.

This entry was just added to How to Treat a Lady Knight Right

• Handicapped Badass: Due to the Leo always has her right eye shut, plus the fact there's a scar placed vertically across it, there's some implication that she lost the use of it at some point. This does nothing to affect how much of a near-unstoppable badass she is.

I'm inclined to call this Speculative Troping. While the main character does have a scarred eye that's always shut, what happened to it and how it effects her has yet to be brought up In-Universe at any point. So while it's a perfectly valid assumption, it seems to me like that's all it is.

Because it's a valid assumption, however, I'm hesitant to simply remove it without a second or third opinion.

Does this entry qualify as Speculative Troping? Or is it possibly outright misuse since the effect Leo's eye has on her is never brought up one way or the other?

I mean, we know for a fact having one eye close would impair the vision since you cant see from one side.

Hence my hesitation. My own brother grew up with one eye missing since adolescence, so I have some familiarity with the situation myself.

My issue is wondering if it counts if it's not mentioned in-story nor shown how it affects her.

But this is the main Terminator series, not a spinoff.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Nov 9th 2019 at 11:43:44 AM

- So yeah, Implied Trope fits. It's a valid kind of Play.

I'd just want more Context for her Badass-ness.

Edited by Malady on Nov 10th 2019 at 2:03:16 AM

How about this:

• Handicapped Badass: Implied, but never directly brought up in-story. Leo's right eye is always shut and one of the many scars she's covered in is placed vertically across that eye. Because of that, there's some implication that she lost the use of it at some point, which is known in real life to cause issues such as lack of depth perception. This does nothing to affect how much of a near-unstoppable badass Leo is. She is shown to have fought so many powerful monsters and demons that she was covered in their death curses, yet only ever noticed an increase in sluggishness before they were removed.

- I like it.

Ok. I'll go ahead and pop it in.

So Ferot_Dreadnaught removed this from YMMV.Thunder Cats Roar because it hasn't released yet, and while usually I'd agree, it's been more than a year since this show was announced and it's still very easy to find people slinging hate at it. What do y'all think?

• Harsher in Hindsight: At the end of the interview in the announcement video, producer Victor Courtright says that he's making a ThunderCats show he wants, and hopefully others will want it too. The immense backlash the show received after it was announced says he's in the minority here.

Reads like complaining. Not helping is its completely meta status.

The meta thing was my problem, too.

The example reads pretty neutrally to me. How is it complaining?

My own question is how is it Harsher in Hindsight when there doesn't seem to be any actual hindsight. Guy said something, then got a reaction as an immediate result of it.

I tend to read the "in hindsight" trope as "an event happens that makes a related, prior event more harsh/hilarious than it was intended to be originally". There's no second event to prompt the hindsight here.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 10th 2019 at 7:44:15 AM

Is this an example of Alliterative Family?

• A Song of Ice and Fire has Stannis Baratheon, his wife Selyse and his daughter Shireen.

To me, that's misuse because alliteration is about the sound being the same, not letters. S and SH are two different consonants.

Reading the trope description, it mentions "one generation is alliterative" as a valid option, so I changed it to Stannis + Selyse, but I didn't include Shireen in the example context.

Edited by XFllo on Nov 11th 2019 at 5:56:11 PM

Is this acceptable for a work page? (Sorry if this is the wrong spot for this.)

The MIT Hunt Cleanup(?)

First, remove that strike. I don't see the purpose of that existing. Second, how should the examples be formatted? I prefer the way shown in the Only Smart People May Pass for not being sow ZCE-y, but listing every single example of Only Smart People May Pass and Shout-Out may be too much overload for our servers. And third, why does the Viewers Are Geniuses entry exist? It's already covered by Only Smart People May Pass. Or maybe I'm just getting it backwards. Opinions on this?

If nothing else, "and how!" is Word Cruft and should be expunged with extreme prejudice.

That write-up violates several of our policies.

Just from the top of my head: Example Indentation (a trope plus subcategories — not okay), Weblinks Are Not Examples, How to Write an Example / Zero-context Example (no examples should refer to each other, like "see the entry under...").

Hard to say how to fix it. I'd probably remove it entirely and moved it to a discussion page of the article.

You're right about the strike markup. That only works on the forums anyway. It shouldn't display in the wiki articles (because it got so misused).

Edited by XFllo on Nov 11th 2019 at 12:25:44 PM

The Ditz is basically just an idiot, right? So this would count?

VideoGame.Open Sorcery:

Nah.

• The Ditz — stupid, quirky; usually friendly, sociable and fairly popular among peers
• Female ditzes — usually sweet and naive
• Male ditzes — oafish but lovable
• Usually their stupidity is played for laughs.

That's a Zero-Context Example. Overly long quotes are no substitute for example context.

The Ditz doesn't seem that complicated to me. But it does have a lot of related (sub)tropes, like Valley Girl, Dumb Blonde, Asian Airhead, Brainless Beauty, Kindhearted Simpleton, Ditzy Genius; then Spoiled Sweet or Beta Bitch are sometimes portrayed as ditzy too... Usually we want to trope just the most specific thing. I guess there might be some overlap.

Edited by XFllo on Nov 11th 2019 at 1:30:58 PM

I guess it's Comically Missing the Point then...

Wow, The Ditz seems too complex...

It seems wrong if Dumb Muscle is just a strong Ditz, like The Ditz says...

Massive misuse or what?

Edited by Malady on Nov 11th 2019 at 4:36:26 AM