Is this an example?

True Art Is Angsty is when a work is praised for being dark / cynical, not when a work is criticized for being lighthearted. So cut away.

Edited by ElRise on Jan 31st 2023 at 12:00:27 AM

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From YMMV.Archipelago:

• No Yay: Snow? Could you please stop calling Credenza dearie? Could you not hold◊ her like that? Please?!

The link provided by this example is down, so the context is completely lost without it. Even if the link was up, I find this way of writing examples too vague.

Thoughts?

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That's a Zero-Context Example. It explains nothing about why anyone might find this pairing unpleasant.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

A ZCE, comment it out.

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Found this in Cliché Storm.

• Star Ocean: Till the End of Time should have had a counter that clicked every time they recycled a cliché from Star Trek, Final Fantasy, and every other console RPG. Maria even lampshaded it during one in-town dialogue. Oddly, it is both lampshaded and suvberted with the HUGE twist that the world of Star Ocean is a video game—even the 4D beings who play it probably thought "This game really is pretty cliche isn't it?"

This entry doesn't have enough context on what cliches the game uses, relies on context in other games (that I have no idea what they are about), applies Playing with a Trope (even though Cliché Storm is YMMV), and spells the word "subverted" wrong. What to do?

Edited by ElRise on Feb 1st 2023 at 4:00:10 AM

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hide it for being too vague.

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Jan 31st 2023 at 2:45:46 PM

Valdo

It doesn't have enough context imo, so I'd hide it personally.

A hypothetical example for https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AudienceAlienatingEnding

• Man of Steel is a rare example of the ending of a first film overshadowing the rest of its franchise. The climax of Man of Steel has Superman and Zod square off in Metropolis, causing billions of dollars of property damage and likely countless deaths^note Zack Snyder estimates that approximately 5,000 civilians died in Metropolis that day with Superman making no attempt to mitigate the damages or take the fight elsewhere. The final nail in the coffin for many came when Superman ended the battle by killing Zod. This proved to be controversial for many fans (and even some comic writers) as Superman is the poster boy for The Cape and one of the shining pillars of Thou Shalt Not Kill in comics. The fact Superman moves on from Zod's death after a single scene and is never shown mourning the civilian deaths he indirectly caused adds more fuel to the fire. The reception of the final battle in Man of Steel was enough to tarnish the image of this incarnation of Superman for many, with some critics going as far to say Superman killing Zod destroyed any hope or further interest they had in the DCEU.

Edited by Mariofan99 on Feb 3rd 2023 at 9:20:29 AM

Bumping my query from last page re: Characters.The Last Of Us that got lost in other discussions:

• Artistic License – Military:
  • The military in Real Life actually has contingency plans in place in the event of a real zombie virus (specifically, a mutated form of rabies), and an important part of the plan involves rescuing as many civilians as possible. It's very unlikely that the Soldier would've been given the shoot-on-sight orders in the first place, and if he was, as a soldier he has a legal duty to refuse any orders he finds morally or ethically unsound (like shooting unarmed civilians). In reality, the Soldier and his CO would likely get court-martialed.
  • Not to mention, in both the game and TV adaptation the Soldier is off by himself - in the middle of a catastrophic outbreak. Soldiers and emergency responders never operate alone in dangerous environments and are always with at least one partner at all times.

TL;DR the first bullet seems to essentially be saying "This doesn't accurately reflect reality because the US Military insists they wouldn't do war crimes if zombies happened" which doesn't feel like a valid use of the trope to me

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Jan 31st 2023 at 9:57:56 AM

Yeah, cut it.

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I'm under the impression that Fan-Disliked Explanation is for serial works or Word of God comments, but the example on YMMV.Klonoa Door To Phantomile is about the plot twist at the end of a self-contained instalment. Should it be cut?

Just found this in Doors. The example Elevator Escape I fixed a bit is good until the last few sentences where it becomes unrelated. I was thinking of moving the last sentences to the new Cliffhanger example while I replace the last sentences of the Elevator Escape example with a new sentence since the game updated the ending. Here's an example.

• Elevator Escape: At the end of the Hotel, the player(s) escape from the Figure via an elevator. The game ends with acliffhanger as the Figure attacks the elevator, causing it to fall down before escaping, leaving the player looking around in distress before the cutscene ends just as the elevator reaches the ground.

Now here's my version:

• Elevator Escape: At the end of the Hotel, the player(s) escape from the Figure via an elevator. However, the Figure goes to the top of the elevator, attacking it.

• Cliffhanger: The game ends with this when the player use an elevator to escape, the Figure attacks the elevator, causing it to fall down before escaping, leaving the player looking around in distress and slowly floats up as they were about to fall before the cutscene ends just as the elevator reaches the ground.

What do you think?

Edited by Bubblepig on Jan 31st 2023 at 4:02:50 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

Found this in HotBlooded.Mecha Anime And Manga. Does it qualify?

• Banjo Haran from Daitarn 3 contains this in dangerous quantities. He even tells the ghost of his dad to piss off, cause he don't need his help to win!

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I don't feel that explains how he's Hot-Blooded, so I'd hide it for being a Zero-Context Example.

Splitting that Elevator Escape entry into those two sounds right to me. Besides the run-on sentence in Cliffhanger (run-on sentences are considered grammar mistakes EDIT: at least to my knowledge), they look good to me.

(x3) I checked, and there's nothing suggesting that Trope is exclusive to works involving Word of God comment(s) or media with more than one entry. Also, the second paragraph on Fan-Disliked Explanation suggests it can apply to one work, so I feel that entry counts.

That said, I feel that entry should be tweaked to make it clearer that the fans dislike those explanations. This is because that's part of the trope according to the unabridged version.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Feb 2nd 2023 at 1:48:16 AM

In regards to my question for Man of Steel on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AudienceAlienatingEnding?

Does this count as a Break the Cutie example? (From Deltan Escape)

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."

At best it's partial context because it doesn't give any context for the "Cutie" part.

The Hero possessing Heroic Self-Deprecation cannot be an Only Sane Man, can he? If he has still common sense and judgment other than that.

Edited by Fidor on Feb 2nd 2023 at 8:44:34 PM

@Random Troper 123. I'll send Cliffhanger example and Elevator Escape example to Get Help With English to fix and check my run on sentence and grammar.

Oops my bad. I mean I'll bring it not only to fix run on sentence but to have them check on my Elevator Escape example if my grammar is correct. I edited my post now.

Edited by Bubblepig on Feb 2nd 2023 at 11:26:07 AM

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

I feel that depends on the character.

Now that I think of it, I think I might have been incorrect in that run-on sentences are grammar mistakes. This is because of how little that criticism shows up in the GHWE thread, or at least from what I've seen. Regardless, it's still fine if you want to check them.

Tenebrika deleted this example from Dark Sarah...

• Putting on the Reich: In the video for "All Ears!" Heidi wears a costume resembling an SS uniform, but with hotpants and a badge on her hat of two crescent moons.

... with the edit reason, "Heidi [1] she didn't mean to 'look like a dictator,' and she finds it "awkward that people have this kind of image."

For reference, this is the costume she was wearing in the video (excuse the YT overlay, I'm on my phone).

I wanted to check here to avoid an edit war. It certainly looks like a Prussian-style uniform, and we could certainly add a note that the similarity was unintentional. But on the other hand her character Luna is (I think) supposed to be an Anti-Hero and I'm not sure offhand if Putting on the Reich can be applied to those.

This is from Fate/Grand Order's trivia page:

• Ascended Fanon:
  • Murabito Moto, Christopher Columbus' artist, had drawn different variants of him, one of them being "Christopher Columbus Lily", a Deliberately Cute Child version of him. "Chaldea Summer Adventure!" finally canonizes the young Columbus as he appears as one of the event's antagonists.
  • Okada Izo's second Spiritron dress is directly lifted from fanart Izou's official artist, lack, drew for him from 2018.

The issue I have is that these two mention the characters' official artists as opposed to the fanbase created stuff. At best, it's Word of Saint Paul being implemented in-game/story due to the nature of the game and at worst not an example of fanon for my tastes.

Edited by KageTsuki88 on Feb 3rd 2023 at 8:30:23 AM

So a major plot point of the last season or two of WesternAnimation.Codename Kids Next Door is that there is a splinter cell in the KND organization and they have a particular interest in Number One. Would that qualify the series to be included on the Conspiracy Thriller index?

Additionally, would WesternAnimation.Hit Monkey qualify as a Sleeper Hit? It was one of four planned Marvel animated shows for Hulu, one of the two that made it to air, and - despite being based on a lesser known Marvel character - is the only one of those two getting a second season.

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Feb 3rd 2023 at 11:15:45 AM

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.

I need help figuring out if what Ben does in the Season 2 finale of Ben 10 is a Senseless Sacrifice or Stupid Sacrifice or neither.

• First, when Ben offers the trade Omnitrix to Vilgax and Kevin in exchange for Gwen's life he secretly disables the Master Control. When Ben tries to taunt Vilgax about this fact, Vilgax points out that with somebody as knowledgeable as him disabling the Master Control is only a slight inconvenience as he'll easily be able to figure out the control combination. This means all Ben did by disabling it was sabotaging himself (Ben couldn't reactivate it since he was looking away from the Omnitrix when he imputed the correct code).

• After Ben and Gwen get their hands back on the Omnitrix Ben tells Gwen to throw it away so they can get back to Earth before the portal closes. When they get back Gwen reveals she actually tossed a bomb that LOOKED like the Omnitrix's casing saying "You might be dumb enough to throw away the Omnitrix but I'm not."

So which trope would these scenarios fit under?

Edited by Mariofan99 on Feb 3rd 2023 at 11:46:14 AM

Revisiting this one before I do anything unilateral - as Spiritual Successor states that the sequel/successor story "is not part of the same world or story as its predecessor", am I right in thinking all the Shared Universe examples in that post are misuse?

Found this in Light/Darkness Juxtaposition.

• It is called out in Sly Cooper and Carmelita Fox and the Thievius raccoonus how similar Sly and Carmelita are while maintaining this type of dynamic; both have rich family legacies (Sly's family being master thieves, Carmelita's being in law enforcement), have created a family book passed on from parent to child that hones their skills (the Thievius Racooonus and the Guardius Vulpinus), only for the Fiendish Five to come and orphan the both of them and take their books because they saw them as a threat, leading to Sly and Carmelita to wind up in the same orphanage and form the gang to reclaim their heritage and defeat the Fiendish Five.

This example has nothing to do with the trope. Cut?

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