Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Just found the following on Regent for Life:

• Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, as detailed above under Literature. Later subverted in that, while she deliberately put her son Joffrey on the throne with the intention of being this trope (which probably would have been an improvement over him ruling in his own right) she quickly found him less controllable than she expected, which was one of the reasons why she progressively turned against Joffrey with each passing episode. It was her own damn fault for being a moron, but still. Then when he dies and Tommen takes the throne, she tries again only to be pushed out by his wife and later the Faith Militant. Cersei eventually foregoes the 'regent' part altogether and claims the throne herself after she blows up the wife and the Faith Militant, leading to Tommen's suicide.

I think it is an easy one (delete the moron part) but thought it better to check first.

Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well

"Cersei is kinda an idiot" isn't really a controversial statement among either book readers or show watchers, TBF. On the other hand it's not necessary for the example either.

"Cersei is kinda an idiot" is one thing but "It was her own damn fault for being a moron, but still." is a lot harsher and bashy, plus probably counts as Word Cruft. So delete?

Knowledge is Power, Guard it Well

From Out-of-Character Moment.

• Teen Titans:
  • Starfire has a very obvious crush on her love interest, Robin and resident Sugar-and-Ice Personality, Raven, but must stay completely in control of her emotions at all times or else her powers will make things explode. Early in the show's run, the show brought in the writer of The New Teen Titans run of the comic source material.^note The run is not only the most well-beloved and iconic version of the series, but also the one that the show was based off of to begin with. At which point, the established characterization of the prior episodes got thrown out to have them swoon over Aqualad: playing up Aqualad as Mr. Fanservice and serving as the justification for Beast Boy have his own OOCM to become a Jerkass until they were able to get to the moral of the story. And that doesn't even compare to how many random plots point are left behind throughout the episode at this point. Most fans' tend regard the episode as one of the show's weakest and pretend it never happened.

This entry seems kind of complainy. Not to mention that this was early in the show’s run, It could boil down to Early-Installment Weirdness.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 11th 2019 at 4:41:14 PM

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Having a crush on one character doesn’t preclude crushing on another, and it’s not like she and Robin are in a relationship at this point. And “must stay completely in control of her emotions at all times or else her powers will make things explode” is an exaggeration— there’s plenty of times Raven shows emotion without things exploding.

Also, its not that farfetched for BB to be jealous.

So not only is it complaining but it’s inaccurate.

I’m gonna take a sledgehammer to the entry now.

Also:

• After the episode "The Beast Within", a lot of fans could not forgive Robin (and to a lesser extent, the other Titans) for not only assuming the worst of Beast Boy despite it being clear he is Not Himself but also straight-up threatening to send him to jail if he could not answer where Raven was, which resulted in Beast Boy transforming into a werewolf again. The issue of Beast Boy feeling like the others don't respect him enough is also left unaddressed.

"A lot of fans" that sounds like a vocal minority to me.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 11th 2019 at 5:07:00 AM

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More potential "The Beast Within" bashing incoming:

• Broken Aesop:
  • The episode is clearly trying to deliver An Aesop on what it means to "be a man", with the implication that it involves not pretending^note Adonis is a runt who causes trouble by running around in a bulky, hyper-masculine suit of armor and taking responsibility^note Raven tells Beast Boy that "knowing when to let [the Man-Beast] out" is what makes him a man, except it fails to explore either theme adequately and actually undercuts itself by giving Beast Boy a case of Power Incontinence that he doesn't know about (that is to say, Beast Boy isn't pretending and can't take responsibility, so the Aesop doesn't remotely apply).
  • Also, regarding the idea of responsibility, the existence of the second Man-Beast accomplishes nothing except to absolve Beast Boy of any potential wrongdoing, indicating that he's not responsible in the slightest, so that's another hole in the message.
• Convicted by Public Opinion: Zigzagged. After the first fight with the Man-Beast, Cyborg and Starfire seem fairly convinced that Beast Boy's Superpowered Evil Side is responsible for attacking Raven, but Robin behaves as if there's actually a chance Beast Boy's innocent. Unfortunately, his attempt to find proof is needlessly confrontational and borderline hostile.
• Deus ex Machina: The appearance of the second Man-Beast, which has no Foreshadowing and indeed contradicts Cyborg's explanation of Beast Boy's condition.
• Hypocrite:
  • It's really unfortunate that Beast Boy gets No Sympathy from the Titans for his behavior after getting exposed to dangerous chemicals, especially considering that Robin went through something so similar only a few episodes ago.
  • Worse, this episode inadvertently mirrors "Nevermore", considering that one of the Titans has a Rage Breaking Point battle with a supervillain and remains hostile the next day. But while Nevermore's Titans each strive to be accommodating of Raven and how "complicated" she is^note To the point where Beast Boy is made to apologize for a passing mention of her Freak Out during an (admittedly overeager) attempt to share the breakfast he cooked with her., the Titans of "Beast Within" merely find the suddenly aggressive Beast Boy nothing more than a jerk with an attitude problem.
• Idiot Ball:
  • Beast Boy gets doused in chemicals and nobody thinks to examine or explain what kind of chemicals they are, or to run any tests until after he's turned into a monster.
  • Beast Boy gets doused in chemicals and shows a violent turnaround in personality and habit from the first encounter he has with anyone the next morning. This is taken at face value.
  • Nobody notices the Gym has been completely mauled and the only one to enter is Beast Boy.
  • When the Titans first encounter the Man-Beast in the sewer, Robin declares "Attack" immediately after the monster puts Raven down; he does this while Raven is still between them and in harm's way.
  • Robin's interrogation of Beast Boy is a self-thwarting attempt to obtain evidence that he should know is shaky at best (see Artistic License – Law above).
  • Robin deliberately piles stress on an unstable teammate with a monstrous transformation in a small room filled with expensive and fragile medical equipment and a weakened and exposed teammate recovering in the corner.
• Nice Job Breaking It, Hero: Averted. Robin accidentally causes the second reappearance of the Man-Beast by antagonizing Garfield during the interrogation, but is never held accountable for it.
• O.O.C. Is Serious Business: Zigzagged. While the episode indicates Beast Boy's OOC status has serious underlying causes, the Titans themselves consistently fail to meaningfully grasp the Serious Business until everything hits the fan.
• Plot Hole: The nature of the Man-Beast (and really, Beast Boy's problem in general) is never really explained. The episode originally suggests it's a side-effect of the chemical bath on his DNA and morphing powers... and then throws that explanation right out the window by showing Adonis can also become a Man-Beast... and turns right back around when the episode's denouement behaves as if the "something primal" is unique to Beast Boy.
• The Friend Nobody Likes: Downplayed. Despite Beast Boy exhibiting clear signs of emotional problems, the Titans express no serious concern for his welfare; Robin even tells Beast Boy that if he wants to maintain his negative attitude then he should isolate himself because nobody wants to deal with him.
• There Are No Therapists: Beast Boy has a sudden onset of intense aggression, loutish behavior, and abandons his die-hard "vegetarianism". After attacking Cyborg and on the brink of a superpowered fight with Raven, the Titans confront him about how he's Taken A Level In Jerkass and all he has to say for them to take it at face-value is "This is who I am, now." Robin responds by telling him to isolate himself because they don't want to deal with his attitude problem.

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George Lucas Altered Version attracts a lot of complaining, and many examples are redundant with Enhanced on DVD, Re-Cut, Bowdlerize, and Orwellian Retcon.

Keet cleanup

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Yeah, a lot of that reads like just one person's personal gripe with an episode and not a widespread fan discussion. It's been forever since I've seen that episode, but I don't remember any character acting that extreme.

You thought those entries were bad, the Artistic Licence – Law section was such a nattery wall of text that I’m surprised it managed to be there for so long.

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So... on the Big Hero 6: The Series page, someone added this-

Ron the Death Eater: While it's arguably justified for people to hate Karmi pre-Character Development, some haters decide to brush her character arc and the trauma she's been through in Season 2 out of spite by how she formerly treated Hiro and Baymax, even if her role from the start was one of a rival that Hiro couldn't get rid like a villain. They basically see her as an unredeemable heartless bully that deserves the pain she goes through. Not like she showed sympathy to Hiro later on and called Baymax incredible to show her growth.

I'm not sure if that's complaining or not, but the same troper added a Fan Dumb section about the same thing. (I've removed that)

Edited by fragglelover on Dec 13th 2019 at 8:44:55 AM

I think it was decided that RTDE should only be used for fanfics.

Speaking of Ron the Death Eater, this entry on YMMV.Gundam Build Divers has been hanging around for a bit. Note that this page has already been cleaned up for targeted complaining in the past.

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• As far as some viewers are concerned, Team Build Divers consists of a bunch of cheaters who leech off of Sarah's powers instead of winning through legitimate means. Note that they were completely unaware of the truth about Sarah until the final few episodes, and how Sarah is only explicitly shown to help with two of their victories (to stop the Story-Breaker Power of Tsukasa's Big Zam and to destroy a rock that was about to crush the members of the Nadeshiko-lathon, the latter of which was caused by Sarah's presence causing glitches in the first place).

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Aside from being an unnecessary jab at people with legitimate criticisms for the show and not applying to fanfics, the justification for the example is also factually incorrect since Sarah technically brings about many of the events in both arcs besides the ones mentioned above by first truly motivating the protagonist (though this one might be a bit of a stretch) and then later providing the data for the Mid-Season Upgrade, setting the dominoes in motion.

"If you spent as much time fightin' as ye did hidin', maybe this wouldn't have happened!"

So... should I remove it?

yes.

Hey everyone, I wanted to ask for help/feedback about what it should be done about the YMMV pages of both Red Hood and the Outlaws and Red Hood pages.

The pages have been ignored for a long while with only a few tropers showing interest in keeping the entries up to date. One of the tropers that have -Hello 9876- unfortunately, shows an obvious negative bias against the series, the character and its writer, Scott Lobdell.

I find the current state of the pages to be not only unhelpful for anyone interested in checking the series and/or the character and the personal views expressed to be somewhat out of place. I tried to fix the pages a little a while back, trying to be as objective as possible with my edits but I only succeeded in getting myself tangled in an Edit War with the aforementioned troper.

Since I don't want the situation to repeat itself, and I'm still not satisfied with the pages' current status, I ask you for some help in improving those pages.

Ron the Death Eater examples can't be general. They need to cite a specific fan-work.

On a different note, Fanfic.If I Was Your Nazi has a negative page because the fic is very hated.

I think that page needs to go.

Why?

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

Well, the page needs to be re written at least. Instead of giving the facts about the contents, it largely complains on it. Even the description is like that.

Found on (and removed from) YMMV.If I Was Your Nazi:

• Moral Event Horizon: The fact that this story was written in the first place is seen as one by the readers.
• What An Idiot: The author seriously thought that this story would garner a lot of unironic praise and a good following. Yes, really, she did.
  • Her Hand Waved explanation as to why Himmler is Axel's father borders on Insane Troll Logic.
  Yes, Himmler is Axel's father. It fits. the guy had so many illigetimate children...

The Critical Research Failure example also has a lengthy quote from what seems to be some random person criticizing the story while also explicitly saying they've never actually read it. I think that should probably go.

Edited by Zuxtron on Dec 14th 2019 at 10:45:31 AM

From the YMMV page for Atypical:

Eight Deadly Words: Considering how almost every character in the show is either a total jerk, a moron or both, it can be really hard to care what happens to any of the characters, with the notable exceptions of Casey and Izzie.

Ethnic Scrappy: Both April and Sharice, antagonistic characters who "just happen" to be black. Harmony, too, to a lesser extent, because while she is a kind-hearted person, she's also a stripper, and thus needlessly objectified.

Idiot Plot: Ryan Boren wrote this in a tweet after reviewing the show: "With some social model awareness and non-misogynistic sex, relationship ed, most of Atypical's plot goes away."

There are other examples on the page as well, but these seemed like the most obvious examples of potential complaining.

Edited by PhoenixFalcon on Dec 14th 2019 at 10:46:13 AM

On Ethnic Scrappy, dont they have to Express stereotypical aspect thats so offensive that makes them scrappy. Snd not yhey are scrappy but also ethnic.