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  • Broken Base: Several:
    • What is their first album, Half Hour of Power or All Killer, No Filler? The band calls the latter their debut. Which makes sense, as it's their first full-length release. Half Hour of Power is an EP.
    • Which is better: All Killer, No Filler, Does This Look Infected or Chuck? The argument is mostly split between the latter two.
    • Is Underclass Hero any good? Is Screaming Bloody Murder their best or worst album yet?
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    • Is 13 Voices too generic and a letdown after a long hiatus, or is it their best yet, with Dave being back and being from the point of view of Deryck and his struggles with alcoholism?
  • Catharsis Factor: "A.N.I.C.", 40 seconds of undiluted profanity and rage. A really good song to put on when you're mad at someone.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: "A.N.I.C." (aka, "Anna Nicole Is A Fucking Stupid Cunt"). The fact that the band wrote the angriest, most profane song they ever recorded about a d-list celebrity is just too absurd to find offensive. It's practically a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment, as it's just 40 straight seconds of Deryck screaming obscenities.
  • Dork Age: The two albums without Dave are generally considered their weakest, mostly because he was the one responsible for the awesome heavy metal influences. 13 Voices, his first album back, also sees the return of the thrash metal riffs and licks.
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  • Estrogen Brigade: A surprising amount of the current fanbase consists of girls... girls who have the hots for Deryck and Cone, unsurprisingly.
  • Even Better Sequel: A lot of fans feel this way about "Does This Look Infected?", especially since it determined their direction from then on out.
  • Executive Meddling:
    • Parodied in their "Still Waiting" music video. At the start, their record label executive (portrayed by Will Sasso) renames the band and its individual members, stating that "number bands are out" and "what's in now is 'the'." It also parodies the executives' (supposed) lack of knowledge about music and musicians with Sasso saying, that although he has "not heard the new album, it's probably all sorts of songs about skateboarding and getting dumped" and stating band names like Green Day 75 or The Led Zeppelins. The whole thing was a jab at the early 2000s Garage Rock revival, which gave rise to bands like The Strokes, The Hives, The White Stripes and The Vines. The resulting Performance Video directly parodies the Strokes' video for "Last Night."
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    • And then happened for real when "Screaming Bloody Murder" didn't get a single release even after the band had already filmed a video.
  • Face of the Band: Deryck Whibley. Even before he became the last remaining founding member in 2014 for a time, the other members seemed to agree that the band was really his baby.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: Whatever good reputation the already controversial "Anna Nicole Is A Fucking Stupid Cunt" had died with it's subject matter.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • Their cover of "How You Remind Me" became this after Avril Lavigne married Chad Kroeger following her split from Deryck.
    • Songs like "Slipping Away", "Pieces", and especially "Angels With Dirty Faces" become much darker and tragic when you remember that Deryck's life was falling apart due to his alcoholism, and that he very nearly died due to this.
    • The entirety of the documentary "Don't Try This at Home," because of its theme of drinking.
    • Going back and listening to "Pull The Curtain" now makes the song seem like a cry for help from Deryck.
    • The band probably couldn't have known at the time, but around the time of the "Still Waiting" video, the only other real named "numbers band" blink-182 started going through the internal tensions that would break them up around 2 years later.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: In the "Still Waiting" music video, Will Sasso mentions that "number bands are over." That same year, a certain band with a number in their name released an album that would soon be their most popular and well-regarded yet, with more success to come.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks!: Most of the reviews for Underclass Hero criticized it for retreading not only many of their own songs, especially the title track, which is an obvious rewrite of "Fat Lip," but several of the punk pop cliches that had popped up in the years since their breakthrough. Screaming Bloody Murder made an effort to return to the darker material from Chuck, but nobody bit.
  • Lyrical Dissonance "Underclass Hero" sounds like a happy song, but the lyrics "Burning the flag!" and "Everyone sing- down with the mass!" are a bit jarring first listen.
  • Memetic Mutation: If you go onto Youtube and look up "We're to Blame," click on any video and there will be tons of comments referencing Godzilla: Final Wars.
  • Moment of Awesome: In October 2017, Deryck Whibley and Frank Zummo showed up at Linkin Park's tribute show for Chester Bennington. Deryck sang on LP's "The Catalyst" and nailed it, in one of the best performances of the night. (Also a Heartwarming Moment; according to Mike Shioda, Deryck flew in for the show with only 24 hours notice!)
  • Narm
    • Take a shot every time Deryck screams "SO!"
    • His screaming in "Pull the Curtain" sounds like he's saying "DIEEEE!" and not "SLEEEEP!", which is apparently what he's saying.
    • The weird sounds at the end of "March of the Dogs" certainly counts, especially when it sounds like Deryck's voice is cracking as he's laughing.
    • The censored version of "A.N.I.C." As one can imagine, it's practically an instrumental.
    • "The doctor said my mom should've had an abortion!"
  • Never Live It Down: Much like their contemporaries blink-182, their early material earned them reputation of being a cheeky joke band, to the point that purist punk fans aren't willing to give the rest of their significantly darker discography a chance.
  • Replacement Scrappy
    • While Tom "Brown Tom" Thacker (from Gob) was by no means disliked, it's generally agreed that he couldn't ever hope to full Dave Baksh's shoes. It didn't help that his replacement of the Indian Baksh seemed like an unintentional Race Lift, though he was much more warmly received when Dave returned.
    • Averted with drummer Frank Zummo who, while not as colorful a personality as Steve Jocz, is a skilled enough musician that longtime fans have readily embraced him. He even won an APMA award for Best Drummer!
  • Signature Song: "Fat Lip," "In Too Deep", and "Makes No Difference" are all candidates.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: Perhaps moreso than any of their Pop Punk contemporaries, which is saying something considering that the genre is known for this kind of thing:
    • "Pain for Pleasure" sounds a lot like Iron Maiden's "Killers" and "Ride the Chariot to the Devil" is slightly similar to "The Trooper". Granted, that's the point.
    • "The Hell Song" vs "How You Remind Me" by Nickelback.
    • "Hooch" vs "Boom" by P.O.D.
    • "Welcome To Hell" vs. "All I Want" by The Offspring.
    • "No Reason" vs "Infest" by Papa Roach and "One Step Closer" by Linkin Park.
    • "We're All to Blame" vs "Chop Suey!" by System of a Down. (Or, alternatively, "Forest")
    • "The Bitter End" vs "Battery" by Metallica.
    • "I'm Not the One" vs "A Place for My Head" by Linkin Park.
    • "Pieces" vs "The Scientist" by Coldplay.
    • "88" vs "One" by Metallica.
    • "The Jester" vs "House of Wolves" by My Chemical Romance.
    • "Pull the Curtain" vs "Shut Up" by Blink182
    • "This Is Goodbye" vs "Everytime I Look for You" by Blink-182.
    • "Underclass Hero" vs "Feeling This" by Blink-182.
    • Oddly enough, "War" vs "Centuries" by Fall Out Boy
    • "Best of Me" vs "Hate Me" by Blue October and "The Reason" by Hoobastank
    • "Take a Look at Yourself" vs "Man Overboard" by Blink-182, "Welcome to the Black Parade" by My Chemical Romance, and 'Letterbomb' by Green Day. Yes. They copied THREE songs.
    • "Welcome to Hell" vs "Join the Ranks" by Rise Against
    • The guitar at the very beginning of "King of Contradiction" sounds eerily enough like the guitar sound effect on Guitar Hero before you play your song.
  • Tear Jerker:
    • "Slipping Away." As the title suggests, it just sounds hopeless.
    • "Pieces." The backing vocals are just so mournful.
    • "The Hell Song," which is about the band discovering that their close friend was diagnosed with HIV.
    • "War," especially considering that writing it changed Deryck's life.
    • "Crash", which is a about a car crash.
    • "Pull the Curtain." All the vocals that are going on at the same really gets to your tearducts.
    My last words, I'm choking...
    • "So Long Goodbye," which was a perfect choice for being the last song on Underclass Hero.

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