- How about Jonathan Samuel White/Kent and New 52 Damian Wayne starring in Super Sons?
- Confirmed to be Jon and Damian.
- Justice League: Unlikely but perhaps since DC's Trinity are getting their own book they won't be on either JL team, Green Arrow, The Flash.
- Confirmed to be starring the same lineup as before, with Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz sharing the role of their Green Lantern, and with the Pre-Flashpoint Superman replacing the Post-Flashpoint one.
- JLA: Midnighter (I mean, they let Lex Luthor in so why not?), Martian Manhunter. Also, any other major player who isn't on the main team (except Hal, he seems to be busy with the Corps): Atom (Palmer), Green Arrow, Constantine, Luthor, Steve Trevor, Hawkman (Hall/Hol, since in the New 52 he's the same person), Mister Terrific, Orion, Blue Beetle (Kord), Nightwing, Earth-3 Owlman (I liked him, hope Manhattan didn't really kill him), the Question (Trinity of Sin), a fine anti-hero like Deathstroke, Deadshot or Grifter and popular female characters: Black Canary, Vixen, Zatanna, Catwoman (Kyle)... oh, and led by Luthor or Trevor.
- Teen Titans: Red Robin, Beast Boy, Wonder Girl, Blue Beetle (Reyes), Miss Martian, a few new characters.
- Confirmed to be featuring Damian Wayne, Starfire, Beast Boy, Raven and Wally West II.
- Titans: Everyone in Titans Hunt, Starfire, Cyborg (I can dream, can't I?).
- Confirmed to be starring Nightwing, Arsenal, Donna Troy, Tempest, Omen and Flash(Wally West).
- Batgirl And The Birds Of Prey: Batgirl (Gordon), Spoiler, Blackbat/Orphan (Cain), Black Canary, Bluebird.
- Confirmed to be featuring Batgirl, Huntress (Bertinelli) and Black Canary.
- Red Hood And The Outlaws: Red Hood, the Joker's Daughter, Azrael (Valley), if Roy and Kori aren't in the Titans, they'll probably be here.
- Confirmed to be featuring Artemis and Bizarro.
- Suicide Squad: Waller, Rick Flag, Harley Quinn, Enchantress, Deadshot, Captain Boomerang. It'd be good to see Deathstroke, Grifter, Midnighter, Captain Cold, Bronze Tiger and Bane in there, at least in some capacity.
- Confirmed to be featuring Amanda Waller, Captain Rick Flag, Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Katana, Killer Croc, Captain Boomerang, Enchantress. El Diablo is getting his own limited series, on-par with Boomerang.
- Earth 2: The Flash (Garrick), Green Lantern (Scott), Hawkgirl, Batman (Grayson), Power Girl, Huntress (Wayne), Superman (Val-Zod). Also, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Terry Sloan (I hope neither of them is actually dead).
- Green Lanterns: Jessica Cruz as Power Ring or Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Simon Baz.
- Jessica and Simon are confirmed co-leads.
- Hal Jordan and The Green Lantern Corps: Hal Jordan, Popular non-Earth Lanterns.
- Confirmed to be featuring Hal Jordan and John Stewart.
- New Super-Man, as the series has been quickly renamed, stars an ordinary Chinese man who somehow gets Kryptonian powers.
- Convergence killed off the Post-Crisis Joker, so there's precedent. Plus, a lot of people want the New 52 Joker to go away because of his tendency to be near-invincible (although this troper personally finds his near-invincibility entertaining).
- Who says they're going to stop at one major character death?
- It does indeed look like the New 52 Superman is going to die, as of Superman (2011 series) #51.
- The deaths of Pandora and the New 52 Superman are both confirmed. The Joker (3 of them!) is still alive.
- The Joker's is, well, kind-of confirmed to be revealed soon (exact words are like "[we're] gonna know whatever answer Bruce got from the Mobius' chair. Word. To. Word.") and according to Johns his real name "is not what [people] expect it to be". Previous hints indicate it might be someone Bruce Wayne already knows. Creepy... And so awesome! Let's hope it's a decent one.
- Also, if it'd be revealed that the Joker is around the same age as Bruce Wayne (like in the Young Justice), it'd be awesome.
- Subverted, bordering on Jossed. We don't know their name(s) yet, so does Bruce. But there are THREE of freakin' Jokers out there!
- So, that leaves us with the New 52 Trinity of Sin (the) Question. Will his identity be revealed afterwards? And who the heck is he, anyway? Achilles, Alexander the Great, Gilgamesh, some other pre-existing historical, mythological or DC character? Or a brand new guy whatsoever? Hope, the writers will somehow bring back the Question's Rorschach-level baddassery, that has been kind-of lost, since he's been revealed as superhuman.
- And, revealing Suicide Squad's Vic Sage as one of the Question's identities might've help up things a little.'Cause, you know, seeing the Question and Vic as two separate characters doesn't help. At all... Update, Vic Sage in the New 52 is a letdown, a Corrupt Corporate Executive, a villain and an ass, being Vic In Name Only. I don't know how they'll fix it, but, being a fan of Denny O'Neil's run and Justice League: Unlimited, I sure want them to.
- A popular idea is #RorschachFor The Question. Please, NO. Just no.
- Also, Midnighter's real name.
- And Terry freakin' Sloan. From the Earth 2. Who is definitely not a native to the Earth 2. And may not even be a human. And his real name might be different (but I still hope it isn't). So the questions here are: Where is he from? Is he a human?
- Huh... Lincoln freakin' March. Once and for all - is he Thomas Wayne Jr. or not? And can they finally decide what works better - Thomas Jr. being older than Bruce (like the New 52 Earth 3 Crime Syndicate version) or the younger brother (like Lincoln March implied to be)? All this older-than-younger-than in different universes set off the continuity for me a little.
- Pre-Flashpoint Main Earth and the Flashpoint Earth itself.
- Hit Print Comics Earths: the Dark Knight/Millerverse, Superman: American Alien, Justice League 3000, Watchmen. Note: Kingdom Come Universe, the New Frontier Universe and Generations Universe already confirmed as the other revealed Earths.
- Hit Digital Comics Earths: Ame-Comi Girls, Bombshells, the Legend of Wonder Woman.
- Hit Video Game Earths: Batman: Arkham, Injustice Main and Regime Earths, Infinite Crisis Arcane, Atomic, Gaslight, Mecha and Nightmare Earths (or their elements and characters will be incorporated into already revealed existing Earths), DC Universe Online Main Earth (since the game and the comics are out of sync, either Main Earth, I think).
- While, Earths like Justice League Heroes and Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe are not as developed, so except incorporating some elements, not including them is a fine idea.
- Also, let's add the forthcoming Telltale Games' Batman Universe - it seems to be an awesome one.
- Hit Animated TV Earths: Young Justice, the Batman, DC Animated Shared Universe (current one), Batman: the Brave and the Bold Main Earth, Beware the Batman. Note: DC Animated Universe already confirmed as one of the other revealed Earths. Justice Lords have one too.
- It's even more optional with Hit Animated Film Earths: Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and Apocalypse, Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths and Doom, Batman: Under the Red Hood, DC Showcase, Batman: Year One, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox (pre-Flashpoint Earth), JLA Adventures: Trapped in Time, Batman: Unlimited, Batman: The Killing Joke.
- Hit Live-Action TV Earths: Arrowverse Main Earth and Earth 2, Supergirl, Gotham, Smallville Main Earth.
- Hit Live-Action Film Earths: DC Extended Universe, the Dark Knight Saga, Tim Burton's Batman/Burtonverse.
- Also George Miller's Justice League: Mortal, 'cause it seemed to be a kind of awesome.
- You're too pessimistic and naive. The line-up is changed to reflect the movie, that is obvious.
- Fun explanation. Actually, retconned they're. I dislike it myself. Even this Wally should be a bit older.
- Seems to be jossed on both counts as they are still the same age as the pre-Rebirth series
- Confirmed. Be honest, there are people from DC on this site. I don't buy you can just guess such a thing.
- OP here; I don't work for DC. However I have been wanting the New 52 Batman to analyze the letter from Flashpoint, get all his Post-Crisis memories back, and learn about how the New 52 changed things pretty much since the New 52 began. That doesn't happen in DC Universe Rebirth #1 (although Wally West seems to be suggesting that Batman attempt something along those lines).
- We aren't shown the contents exactly, but somehow it leads to Bruce finding The Comedian's bloodied smiley face deep inside the Batcave.
- Confirmed! Flash Rebirth #1 has Bruce and Barry performing scientific analysis on both the letter and the smiley button. They find a unique radiation that Barry has never encountered before in his multiversal travels.
- Looking back upon "Blackest Night", Nekron said that "whoever or whatever sent [the Life Entity] here will regret it". As Rebirth implies, the one who is implied to have created the Post-Crisis 52 Universe was Dr. Manhattan, as it was his attempt to create life. If you take it in the context of "Blackest Night", and all the way back to even post-Crisis of Infinite Earths, then the living beings in the DC Universe really are trespassers - Dr. Manhattan created life where there was once darkness. In effect, Dr. Manhattan is the one who sent the Life Entity, the Trespasser, so I do not doubt that Nekron will want to have words with - kill - Dr. Manhattan. Perhaps Dr. Manhattan is even responsible for Nekron being the entity that he is.
- Your idea. I, personally, hope for Manhattan vs. the Empty Hand and his Gentry. And, while Geoff Johns himself said that Batman & Co won't be punching Manhattan in the face, I hope at some point they will. And, please, cover the reveal by spoilers, bro. Most people are not aware of the entire thing yet.
- 1. First modeled after Jack Nicholson's, Cesar Romero's, Curtis Armstrong's (On Star Commercials), Roger Stoneburner's (Birds of Prey), Cameron Monaghan's (Gotham), Aaron Shoenke's (Bat in the Sun's Super Power Beat Down), Paul Molnar's (Bat in the Sun's fan films), Mark Hamill's (DCAU, Birds of Prey, Arkham, DCUO, Killing Joke), Richard Epcar's (MK vs. DCU, Injustice, Infinite Crisis), John Di Maggio's (Under the Red Hood), Jeff Bennett's (the Brave and the Bold), Troy Baker's (Unlimited) portrayals, the New 52 Earth 2, Earth 3, Pre-Flashpoint New Earth and Kingdom Come versions.
- 2. Second – after Heath Ledger's, Scott McClure's (Joker Blogs) and Kevin Michael Richardson's (the Batman) portrayals and the Joker (by Azzarello and Bermejo) version.
- 3. Third – after Jared Leto's, Troy Baker's (Arkham), Michael Emerson's (Miller's Dark Knight), Brent Spiner's (Young Justice), Mark Hamill's (Beyond) portrayals, the New 52 Prime Earth (especially, written by Scott Snyder) and, a bit, after Pre-Flashpoint/Killing Joke versions.
- Maybe Dr. Manhattan also was responsible for turning the Amazons into the murdering monsters that they were depicted as in Brian Azarello's Wonder Woman run.
- Jossed. The exact opposite seems to be true: her father semi-guilt-trips her about her decision to leave West Point, but Batwoman seems perfectly content with her crimefighting career, even if she's not taking out the most prestigious foes. She also has a new girlfriend.
- 1. Rorschach as the New 52 Trinity of Sin Question. Doesn’t feel like it. At least yet. Something is missing there. Firstly, for that very thing Rorschach had to be alive, thousands of years ago in the New 52. And being even more off than he ever was in original novel. And he claimed he had power before (as in expression "rise to power"). Second, while having superpowers can help him (at least a bit) around Doctor Manhattan, it didn’t make him as badass as Rorschach was before or the Question was on Justice League: Unlimited. Third, there is a Vic Sage in the New 52 who is a screw-up In Name Only version of the original character. The kind you'll never want to be the Question. Still, it is hard to see the Question and Vic Sage as separate characters.
- 2. The Comedian as the first or the second of three current Jokers. Maybe. Another theory involving the Jokers – they’re all the same person. Much like the Joker has the ability to see reality as it is and Breaking the Fourth Wall whenever it’s convenient, he is also proof to reboots, meaning, while a new version is created along with a new universe – the old version(s) No-Sell such reality manipulations and remain(s) active in such a new universe along with a brand new himself. The biggest reboots were twice – hence the three Jokers. Note: understandably, the Joker is not proof to little cosmetic retcons.
- Question to the original poster: What makes you think he isn't the New 52 Joker? It was the New 52 Manhattan created, so if the Comedian is somehow one of the Jokers, wouldn't he more likely become that one?
- OP here; I did write 479 words explaining my point of view here (believing that "the New 52 Joker is You-Know-Who" is a stupid idea that sacrifices all the integrity and legacy in the sake of one-time shocking effect), but then I clearly saw that contradicting anybody's thoughts and ideas is pointless as it can be. So, whatever you want, buddy, the New 52 version it is. Side Note: I'm done with that stuff.
- Question maker: I did not mean that as an insult and I didn't seriously believe it, admittedly I did think a bit about it since New 52 Joker is most certainly the craziest of the two, his Red Hood self kinda resembled 'the guy' (though this likely has more to do with how I haven't reread Watchmen for a year and am remembering his chin wrong), he came from the New 52 which the...uh,Blue Man Group made in the first place and how (though I probably remembered this wrong) that Joker seemed to have somewhat more bulk than the other two, that's beside the point. The point is: I know he could just as likely be the other two (though I hope he's not the classic Joker, that just wouldn't be fair, since he was made ages before the other guy), so I'm withholding my judgement as to which one he might be until later when actual clues are out, my only point is that I was wondering WHY you removed New 52 Joker from the list of possibilities. I wasn't stating my opinion, I was just asking a question, so there is no need to be a dick about it, all I wanted were your reasons for why he was ruled out, and even now you still didn't give any actual reasons for it aside from you simply hating the character.
- OP: Firstly, yup. Sorry for my tone, so stupid of me. And no, You completely misinterpreted my thoughts on the matter. You can find full explanation of my thinking in this very page's edit history or better yet in your personal messages. Regardless, I'm still thinking we're just flooding this page.
- 2.1. Alternatively – as Thomas Wayne, Sr. And, maybe, as well as in original – he’s already dead. Originally, I thought that making the Comedian as a Joker is an interesting twist, now I'm against it. Instead I enjoy the idea of some aspect of him being reincarnated in Thomas Wayne - completely different, morally righteous character, yet who is also dead, and whose letter like the Comedians badge provides a clue to a big villainous secret. Besides, how banal it sounds - both were portrayed by Jeffrey Dean Morgan in the movies.
- 3. Nite Owl II as Gotham and Silk Spectre II as Gotham Girl. Doubtful. Well, Gotham is described as "idealistic", in a sense of "too-good-for-Gotham-idealistic", means Nite Owl’s morals has to be changed. As for Silk Spectre, well, Gotham Girl's blonde hair and relative non-importance, at least so far, set it off. Add here the possibility of them having superpowers and the theory becomes even more doubtful.
- Action Comics #957 shows Mr. Oz standing in front of rows of monitors observing the action omnisciently, identical to Ozymandias.
- Action Comics #958 ends with Mr. Oz saying, "Think, Kal-El — what will you do next? Only then can I make my move." Hoo boy, there's many ways this can be interpreted. If it's Ozymandias, does this mean if Superman does the selfless move and save Luthor by doing a Heroic Sacrifice, it'll prove to him or Dr. Manhattan that self sacrifice and heroism does exist in this world?
- 1. Firstly, bad guys. Darkseid is now a kid. Anti-Monitor is dead. Brainiac is far less powerful than he was. But somewhere out there are the Empty Hand and the Gentry from the Multiversity. And while Manhattan bestows Nihilistic philosophy on existence, the Gentry represent corruption by uncontrolled and useless or harmful information and depths of human mind. The way I see it, there can be only one Big Bad.
- 2. Speaking of Biggest Bads, what about the Great Darkness, to which Geoff Johns is fond of?
- 3. The Presence. All is okay, you know, God, minimal interfering and so on... but if pre-Flashpoint is the same Multiverse and the New 52, how to explain changes made to His Status Quo? They kind of have to... at some point.
- 4. The Endless. Still have to make an appearance as the cosmic forces that bring order and retribution to all and any.
- 5. What about The Quintessence (Highfather, Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Zeus, Shazam/the Wizard, Ganthet)? Where is Kismet, for that matter?
- Not bloody likely, especially in the case of Milestone, as a separate Dakotaverse imprint was planned but died on the vine.
- I didn't say "books", I said characters. Given that WildStorm's are already integrated into the New 52 Prime Universe, so is Milestone's Static, I agree to disagree and with WildStorm's I wait for them appear anywhere, as for Milestone's - hell, man, Johns brought freakin' Watchmen into the mix when nobody thought it would happen so far if at all - so I say, we'll see.
- Yup, bring all pre-Flashpoint folk, but what would we do with the New 52 ones - kill them off?; allow them to coexist? Let the craziness ensue? Personally, I think, making the New 52 characters (including Diana) remember their pre-Flashpoint lives is the only best option.
- OP here. I think allowing them to coexist is the best option. Think of how in the Silver and early Bronze Age, the Golden Age characters and the Silver Age characters had annual team-ups. Think of how, in the Post-Crisis Universe, we had Golden Age characters (and characters purchased from Charlton, Fawcett, and Quality) interacting with modern characters on a regular basis. Both approaches worked very well. I don't see having multiple versions of the same character in one universe as "craziness."
- Further information from the OP: I've been rejoicing about the fact that my Superman is back for a full year now. I don't think the return of Wally West will lead to the death of any New 52 characters. The death of the New 52 Superman is a specific (and probably temporary) event meant to symbolize the fact that the 2011-2015 approach to handling the DC universe is definitively over. I can enjoy current Superman stories again, and I'm elated. Do I want to see the exact formula that was used for setting up Superman's role in Rebirth (New 52 hero dies, Post-Crisis hero takes up the mantle) repeated with Wonder Woman, and other Post-Crisis characters who come back? No. That would be repetitive and unnecessary. Let them coexist. Heck, I wouldn't mind if DC resurrected the New 52 Superman and gave him a new series (while keeping the Post-Crisis Superman in Action Comics and Superman where he belongs). I wouldn't read the new series, but I wouldn't be offended by its existence. Marvel Comics is currently publishing two different Captain America comics with two different protagonists and there is nothing wrong with that model.
- Even further information from the OP: I created this particular WMG because I have been missing Wonder Woman since the New 52 began. I find the New 52 version unrecognisable (at least when written by Brian Azzarello or Meredith Finch). Wonder Woman, Superman, and the Flash are the three characters I consider most damaged by the New 52. Convergence brought back my Superman and my Flashes. (Not only did Wally West appear in Convergence: Speed Force, but Convergence: The Flash brought back a Barry Allen who could remember that he was married to Iris West. Eliminating superhero marriages is my Berserk Button. The only exception I make to this is Aquaman since at least he was still with Mera.) Wonder Woman got left out. In fact Convergence's entire treatment of non-Elseworlds Dianas was unfortunate, since the Golden Age Diana didn't get a tie-in and the Silver/early Bronze Age Wonder Woman got a lousy tie-in that undid her happy ending from Crisis on Infinite Earths. I want DC to rectify this mistake and give the Post-Crisis Wonder Woman the same respect they are currently giving the Post-Crisis Superman and Wally West Flash. Bringing back the Post-Crisis Wonder Woman would rectify the last major failing of the New 52.
- Even further information from the OP: I don't need to see multiple versions of Bruce Wayne, the Green Lanterns, or Aquaman because the New 52 didn't hurt them. I'm not advocating that ALL Post-Crisis characters immigrate to the New 52 Earth, just the ones whose New 52 counterparts I don't care for (or ones who don't have New 52 counterparts). I'd be happy to see the Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) and Superboy (Conner Kent) of the Post-Crisis Earth immigrate, as well as Linda Park-West and Jai and Iris West. I appreciate the fact that DC is trying to simply improve the New 52 versions of a lot of characters, including Green Arrow, Starfire, and Arsenal, as well as the New 52 Wonder Woman (if what we've heard about Greg Rucka's upcoming Wonder Woman run is any indication). But I think the New 52 Wonder Woman is such a problematic character that in her case, that isn't enough.
- After all, it's happened before, and would explain why it's PRIME Earth.
- No, they would have revealed that fact already if that was the case. and what's the problem with N52 Superman being a hero instead of a villain? And SBP is from Earth Prime, while Post-Flashpoint Superman is from Prime Earth/New Earth. Remember, Multiverse is the key word.
- I went back and forth thinking of it and concluded that possible drama and shock of reveal are not worth downplaying the New 52 Clark's already established character, his heroism, him caring for people and his sacrifice, all the stuff that was built for years and had great emotional effect, - almost to nothing, effectively making him just an imposter. So, I'm against the idea. On the other hand, if it was the case, there is no indication that "they would have revealed that already" other than a "sure" assumption from the troper above.
- Things get confusing when Clark Kent shows up, baffling Lex, Superman, Lois and Jon. If New 52 Superman is dead, who is this Clark? Could it be the "real" Superman?
- Jossed. New 52 Clark is human, and was never Superman.
- Further Jossed. He's Mxyzptlk
- This theory has popped up, and it fits neatly into what has gone on. Heck, Bats stares at the giant Joker card before finding The Comedian's badge under it.
- And why would Manhattan do that? He's greatly deluded, but NOT AN IDIOT. Besides, from the entries above you may see that entire the Question is Rorschach idea may be not a good idea at all.
- Jossed. Jackson joined the Teen Titans.
- The whole thing could be a Cosmic Chess Game between the two. They would have inverse motivations, such that Ozymandias believes that cynical pragmatism is the only way to achieve results but supporting hopeful optimism only so he can see it fail while Doctor Manhattan did what he did in the belief that whatever troubles the heroes of the DC universe face they will overcome and gain back what was lost because they have hope and love.
- Shazam!: This one is pretty much a given since Billy and his foster siblings were seen with Shazam powers.
- Legion Of Superheroes: The one-shot special had an unknown woman with a flight ring.
- Justice Society of America: Oh come on this one smacked us in the face in the special!
- Justice League International: Captain Atom had a cameo during the story after a substantial absence from the books. There may be something in the works based on that.
- The Atom: Again this was very blatantly set up.
- Young Justice: Jackson Hyde's appearance may be hinting at young heroes not joining the Titans teams.
- Jossed. Jackson joined the Teen Titans.
- Shazam! would focus on Billy splitting the power among his foster siblings and discovering the secrets of the Rock of Eternity.
- Legion Of Superheroes would see the story split between Legionnaires trapped in the past and active members in the future trying to get them back.
- Justice Society of America will focus on reuniting the lost members of the group and exploring what caused them to be forgotten in the first place.
- Justice League International will be about Booster Gold gathering together several disparate heroes and will be the main book that focuses on fighting back against Doctor Manhattan. After all what better way to defeat cynicism that with good old "bwa-ha-ha" determination.
- Members of the group could consist of Booster Gold, Ted Kord as the Blue Beetle, Fire, Ice, Captain Atom, Vixen, Etrigan, Maxima, Crimson Fox, the Question and Mister Miracle. More tentative members would be Martian Manhunter, Metamorpho, and Doctor Fate if he's not used in Justice Society.
- The Atom will focus on Ryan Choi tracking down Ray Palmer in the Microverse.
- Young Justice will be about a group of Young Heroes being brought together by Secret to deal with a threat from the Fourth World.
- Characters could be Jackson Hyde as Aqualad, Cassandra Sandsmark as Wonder Girl, Connor Kent as Superboy, Bart Allen as Kid Flash, Tanya Spears as Power Girl, Bunker, and Secret.
- After Detective Comics 940, where Tim was captured by Mr. Oz, it could be that Secret returns after her prolonged absence from comics and assembles the team to rescue Tim.
- If this turns out to be true, that will be really depressing.
- Detective Comics #935 has a conversation that very heavily implies this, and also gives a fairly feasible outline of a possible motive. This may not be a horrible decision after all.
- Confirmed in Detective Comics #936.
- 1. Are somehow connected to the League of Assassins, another Ancient Conspiracy organization. Maybe, the first Talons were made from League's assassins. Ra's al Ghul should know more.
- Possibly confirmed. Detective Comics #938 suggests that the Court of Owls is, or at least is believed to be by the military, an arm of the League of Shadows.
- 2. The Diabolical Mastermind behind the Court is not from the Powers family, neither it is some Grayson family ancestor. It is a Wayne, from the second generation of the family, who lived in the XVIII century. In other words it is no one other than Doctor Simon Hurt.
- Up until now the New 52 versions of the characters have actually been others have loved reading about since the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot right? unlike how he manipulated and changed the other heroes until they were more to his liking, Manhattan had trying trouble finding and changing Superman the same way due to the real Brainiac sending the latter and a few other older-lasting versions of several well-known on a mission to prevent the Convergence successfully , suddenly Post-Crisis Clark appears on Prime Earth nine years back in the past. and here is his chance, so Osterman secretly takes a few aspects from the older Clark (thus explaining his eventual weakening during Truth) and turns those aspects into their own seperate being with it's history and career. which only has 5 years worth of experience, thus the New 52's Superman came to exist. then D Cn U Kal-El dies sacrificing himself as fights Denny Swan (who believes himself the real Superman), and is succeeded by his older counterpart who debuted in 1986 on New Earth? but when the other Clark goes to visit Prime Earth's Kal's grave to pay his respects one last time and lays his hand briefly on the ground before flying away, the palm print glows blue. they've been merged together, two versions of Superman who actually have been forcibly seperated. this action also explains the existence of a seperate Clark Kent, that Clark is a cover-up for the (as it should have been from the start) now-merged New 52 and Post-Crisis Clarks.
- Finally, here is Godspeed: http: //static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/40/5242420-3+flsreb_1_3 .jpg
- And here is White Energy Zoom: http: //static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24019/1353367-white_lantern_eobard_thawne_of_earth .jpg
- This is Jossed.
- The solicit for the last issue of the arc says that the final battle "will change Batman's world forever—and in a way you'd never expect! Whether they win or lose, they've already lost..." Having a Bat-team member kill, especially a younger one, would be a heavy blow.
- Word of God says that the second arc will be Spoiler-centric. Maybe to focus on her as she deals with being a killer, and maybe how the rest of the team reacts to her now as well. It has also been said that the end of the first arc will lead into the second, and will be rather dark.
- The cover for Detective Comics #940 shows Spoiler on her knees crying next to two downed Colony soldiers (who look to be dead) while the rest of the team looks on with sad expressions.
- Specifically, if the above WMG about Jacob Kane turns out to be true, he is the one she will kill, likely on accident. From a dramatic standpoint, that would potentially create an enormous rift in the team, not only because she killed, but because she killed Kate's dad. It would be a perfect way to have long-reaching consequences echo throughout the book for a long time.
- Jossed on both counts. Steph doesn't kill anyone, and Jacob Kane is still alive at the end of #940.
Also (and bear with me here, I'm going to defend Superboy-Prime a bit), Superboy-Prime's entire character basis is that he's a guy who got burned by a reboot. This makes him a relatable villain at heart, even if the execution of his characterization has been silly at times. Turning him into the star of a reboot that many people felt burned by to some extent in real life is a bizarre and unnecessary inversion of the character.
- The appearance of Clark Kent, regardless of who he actually is, will undo Superman: Truth, since the public appearance of Superman and Kent at the same time will probably make the public think that Superman's death was faked and Clark Kent was part of some grand scheme between him and Supes.
- That confab wasn't about Jon, but about Superman himself, with Wonder Woman and Batman inquiring into the new strange Superman in town. However, this doesn't Joss the WMG just yet.
- Danny Chase as an interdimensional immigrant (a la Clark and Wally) or a New 52 version of Danny Chase with a different history?
- The original. Danny's photographic memory would be ideal for restoring the timeline.
- The problem with this is that the two Supermen have VERY different characterization and relationships. Merging them would cause something to be lost. I really, really, really hope DC doesn't go down this route. If we have one merged Superman, he can't be a rookie hero and an experienced hero at the same time. He can't be married to Lois Lane and dating Wonder Woman at the same time. Neither version's fans will have quite the character they've been following.
- But that's the entire point. The two opposing personalities of Superman and Clark Kent. They meld perfectly. And sorry, but Superman and Wonder Woman have never been an item unless Lois has been dead in an alternate reality. Trying to ship them has proven to be a disaster.
- But melding these people together would be like melding the two Wally Wests together. It would diminish at least one of them. Having two separate Supermen can keep everyone happy. Why should we try to lose any element of either character? And they are different characters. Yes, they're both Superman, but DC has gone to great lengths to make them different from each other. Merging them would be a regressive move that would undermine the "every character matters" sentiment of Rebirth. Just because I don't enjoy seeing Superman and Wonder Woman being a couple doesn't mean that people who do enjoy that relationship should be forced to lose it forever.
- Seemingly jossed, "Clark" remembers perfectly well he used to be a superhero, and has actually used to be the Superman of "Prime Earth".
- If that is the case, then the basic WMG is confirmed. The mysterious Clark Kent is the New 52 Superman.
- Jossed: It's revealed that the New 52 Clark Kent and New 52 Superman had always been separate people: Clark was human all along. Superman had assumed Clark's identity at some point to protect him from assassins because of a case he'd been writing.
- This is Jossed too. He's actually Mxyzptlk.
- If that is the case, then the basic WMG is confirmed. The mysterious Clark Kent is the New 52 Superman.
- Jossed
- Jossed. They escape mostly unharmed (Cass took a chestfull of sedative darts) and Clayface is actually the one who ends up shielding them during the escape.
- Kinda, sorta. Remember, 10 years are missing. Restoring those will straighten out the timeline. It may look like it's going faster, but no, it's just being restored.
- Semi-Jossed, The Colony isn't there to take down Batman and Co., but to fight against the (possibly fictional) League of Shadows.
- And we probably saw "Gotham Girl" and her flight ring in DC Rebirth #1! It makes complete sense.
- Semi-Jossed. While they may have Legion tech, they're not from the future at all.
- Jossed.
- There's a rumor that DC will be killing off Tim, and if it's true it could happen sooner rather than later. The (circumstantial) evidence:
- The solicit for #940 says that Batman's world will be tremendously affected by the Final Battle against the Colony. Having Tim die would be a major development, to say the least.
- There is preview pencil art for the first part of "Night of the Monster Men", the first Bat Family Crossover of Rebirth, and even though it's just a single page, the entire 'Tec cast is there... except Tim.
- James Tynion has said the end of the first 'Tec arc will be dark.
- The second 'Tec arc will be focused on Spoiler, again according to Tynion. She is right now in a romantic relationship with Tim, and his death would defintely be a major factor in her story if true.
- Interestingly the post-Convergence Batman Beyond series revealed in #12 that Tim Drake had gone missing and was never found. And no, we're not talking about the same Tim Drake in that series who hailed from the aborted Future's End timeline. So it might be possible that revelation and Tim's fate in 'Tec are linked (the outcome might not play out the same way, because it's comics we're talking about).
- The initial WMG has been Jossed. Tim is still alive, although he is believed dead by everyone else.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed.
- If not the "official" one, then a private one just for the members of the Bat-team.
- Jossed.
- Jerry Robinson "Golden Age" Joker- a serious but grinning criminal mastermind;"gangster clown" (Superego)
- Alan Moore Killing Joke Joker- a homicidal, psychotic, unpredictable sociopath; chaotic evil incarnate (Id)
- Scott Snyder New 52 Joker- a calculating manipulative sadist with a warped sense of humor (Ego)
- Way back during her New 52 series, Babs was curbstomped by Kate in a Let's You and Him Fight type of scenario. They patched things up and are on good terms now, but since the entire point of Barbara's trip is to help her become a better fighter, maybe she'll seek Kate out to spar with and test herself after she returns.
- Marguerite Bennett, the writer of Batwoman's Rebirth series, has mentioned that she'd like to see a "Round 2" of that fight, and according to Gail Simone, Babs does want a rematch. So... maybe.
- A desperate entreaty for Superman to save the world by undoing Manhattan's work and noting that Superman can do so because "you were the first, the greatest, because you brought forth hope and inspired an age of heroes"
- A warning about Mr. Oz.
The X crisis story will be written by the guy with a outspoken love of the silly stuff in comics and a disdain for the darker and edgier. It will be somewhat trippy, and it will probably involve a lot of oft-forgotten comedic characters dealing blows to Dr. Manhattan.
They are one of the couples that was split up during the New 52 reboot, and there has been quite a bit of ship tease since they first met in the New 52.
- Very likely. While its never been clear precisely how much Wildstorm and Vertigo's inclusion affected the DCU, its clear that there were two forces at work when it came to creating the New 52 reality - Barry's 'fixing' of the timeline AND the interference of Manhattan (in which Pandora possibly played a part). Its entirely possible that the 'fixed' timeline Barry's actions created was the real Post-Flashpoint timeline, and Manhattan's tampering corrupted it further into the New 52.
- Any thoughts on how two Nightwings can exist, one apparently pre-Flashpoint and the other appearently New 52? Theories, people?
- One is Deathwing.
- Solicits mention Deathwing, so it's likely.
- One is Deathwing.
And if it's FUN you want, it's FUN you'll get!
- Confirmed.
- The real Eobard is still trapped in the Speed Force, and the one we've seen (with the glowing eyes, black and yellow costume and time powers) is actually Hunter Zolomon.
- Jossed.
Because so many heroes are resurfacing and it looks like the Milestone earth is in the toilet.
Midnighter and Apollo can't be the only ones....
- Jossed.
- Icon: With the focus on the Superman line bringing in more titles with possible links to the guy could be something worth seeing. If they can snag a writer with experience writing superhero lawyers (perhaps Mark Waid) for the title it could have a respectable run.
- Static: I want the guy back, and DC's been having good luck with the younger heroes recently. Why not continue the trend? Plus with YJ coming back related characters are a good idea. Just let the writer do their thing with this guy.
- The Question: Greg Rucka should recover from dual month burn out eventually, and Renee's been hovering about.