Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
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- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Barb / Temporary Kylo
While concerns on heinousness are fine I...don't see what the concern on characterization is? Like the 2 are shown to be sadists and get full dialogue from what I've read.
The First man
Messenger from another dimension.
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Well, the Butcher from American Sniper had far more characterization from them (he had more scenes) and yet was downvoted due to not much personality. Again, I am upvoting books version. And I don't want to open any can of worms; just accept my downvote for film version and let's move on. I might have an EP later this week actually.
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Film!Hillbilles
Edited by MistaClean on Dec 13th 2023 at 4:25:55 AM
In all the years Rasputin has been down voted why was it never brought up about the dozens of screams and "so many lives lost" line? I thought all he did was kill the main character's family but with this added context he is definitely a
I think Rasputin was voted down due to being a bit of a Butt-Monkey (there are frequent points of comedy that all have to do with him falling apart at the eaves, such as his hand snapping off when he slams his fist on a table or his head falling down his neck into his body). Abstain.
Edited by k410ren on Dec 13th 2023 at 9:10:04 AM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Most likely those comedic moments of Rasputin is to make him seem less threatening to the younger audiences.
The Autobot Avatar
to Black Dahlia, Texas Red and Rasputin
Not the Eye
Got another who was formerly up until it turned out he was proposed by sock.
What is the work?
Berserk (1997) is very first anime adaptation of popular Berserk manga, adaptating Golden Age arc. It follows lone mercenary Guts as he is recruited in marcenary company by it’s mysterious leader Griffith, dealing with lot of emotional bandage as he serves in war against Tudor Empire. But despite seemingly good trajectory his life is about to go even more downhill because of the man Guts came to call a friend.
What has Griffith done here?
Once a poor boy who looked at and dreamed about reaching the castle in the distance, Griffith grows up to become charismatic and ruthless leader of the Band of Hawk, band of mercenaries who would give their lives for him, aguiring mysterious Crimson Behelit along the way. Claiming thousands of lives on campaings for kingdom of Midland in war against Tudor Empire, uncaring that many of his own die in proces. While holding of castle siege, he meets Guts and is impressed by his strenght. Griffith convices traveling swordsman to join him with his sex appeal… um, superior fighting skills.
Eventually Hawk’s victories against Tudor win Griffith King’s favor and title of knight. He sets to marriying princess Charlotte as his way to the throne. As Griffith’s status rises duo to his victories and his friendship with Guts grows, king’s evil brother tries to kill him with poisons arrow. He has Guts kill the count, completely uncaring when learning his scheme got manks young son killed. Griffith conquers Doldrey castle and brings end to hundred year war beetwen Midland and Todor, ordering all enemy soldiers who show resistance massacred.
When Queen and group of envious nobles try to poison him, Griffith blaicmails scheming minister Foss into betraying others and helping burn them alive by threathing life of his daugther, having Guts kill bandits he hired for the job. However, when he learns that Guts plans to leave Band of Hawk, Griffith tries to kill him in battle and when that fails forces himself on Charlotte. Griffith was captured and tortured for year, his body becoming as fragile as paper and his face thankfully hiden behind the mask.
Remnants of the Band of Hawk, led by Guts and his love interest and Griffith’s second in command Casca ride to save him, he repais Guts by triying to strangle him. During that time he tries to Foče himself on Casca, to weak for even that and mishearing that Guts plans to leave again, Griffith runs of and finds his Behelit. Remembering word of Fortune teller who gave it to him, he uses he blood to activate it duringnthe Eclipse, and Godhand show themselves.
Griffith is given rundown of his life convicing him to sacrifice entire Band of Hawk to be devoured by demonic Apostles and their souls condemned to eternal suffering. Griffith is transformed into Femto, fifth Godhand. Newly reborn Griffith rapes Casca while Guts helpelesly watches and while he somehow survives, Casca’s fate is unknown.
Reddeming qualities?
Griffith is complex character, who seems to believe other people are entitled to their dreams as much as him, flashback has him reveal to Casca he has self harm issues after boy who joined him died, openly stating he dosen’t want innocent children to die for his dreams and seems to geniunely care about her and Guts.
And just like every other version, he either discards it all or reveals it was never geniune in first place. Not wanting children to die for his dream? He wears his satisfied smirk as hears count’s son was killed. His care for others, he openly believes their lives belong to him and by the eclipse any remorse or geniune attachment he had to any one or anything except his dream is gone as he sacrifices his companions for power. Torture he went thought was horrible and Godhand did push him into sacrifice, but he was already horrible person and fully chose to embrace becoming even worse after that.
Heinous standard?
More than bad enought, esspecaly with guys like Wyald adapted out.
He has countless people killed in his campaings and is completely unrepetent when his scheming gets child killed, before sacrificing small army composed of people who would do anything for him and closest thing he has to friend to be devoured by demons and raping Casca.
Conclusion?
It may sound weird, but I think Griffith has done something wrong!
Edited by EmperorGeode on Dec 13th 2023 at 6:36:58 AM
Goku Black
Griffith
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Messenger from another dimension.
Yes to Griffith... but I thought we already approved 1997 version! Correct me if I am wrong. But yes either way.
Edited by emperors on Dec 13th 2023 at 10:40:13 AM
Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Lies and Violence!
Hm, I don't know... are we sure he's really that bad? Yes there, obviously.
Geode said it at the top of his post, he was originally proposed by a ban evader.
Ha ha, chicken soup is coming!
Griffith, steady as usual.
- Black Cat Detective: Monkey-Eating Eagle is a sadist serial child kidnapper. He disguised himself as a monster with a hard protective suit, attacking civilian houses at night and catching children into a sack. After bringing the children to his lair, he locks them in a cage and beats them with a club. Eventually, he eats and chews his victims alive in the sight of other children. After noticing that he was detected by Pigeon Detective, Monkey-Eating Eagle furiously slapped her off a cliff, leaving her in a state of near-death. In the battle against the police, he killed and ate several police officers, dismantled a few helicopters and abducted White Cat to a high altitude with the intention of letting him fall to his death. Even when he crashed and was stuck in the roof of his lair, he exasperatedly tried to eat the children who laughed at him. Monkey-Eating Eagle lacks sympathy, after being informed of his sworn brother's ear was shot off, he slammed his sworn brother heavily to the ground and mocked him an idiot. Monkey-Eating Eagle is a despicable Child Eater and an extemely dreadful villain for an educational animation.
Messenger from another dimension.
My bad, sorry. But I already said yes.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Is he only in the second episode?
To Rasputin and Griffith.
Griffith.
back to Griffith.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Dec 14th 2023 at 12:41:00 AM
This has been on my mind for a very long time. He’s been brought up before but I think it’s time to finally give him the most thorough investigation possible, with new info I’ve assessed. And I’d like to settle this matter once and for all, one way or the other. Here goes.
What’s the work?
The Getaway is a 2002 action game released by London-based Team Soho for the PS2 that combines a lot of different ideas. It’s a hybrid driving-shooting game that takes its cues from the GTA series but grounds it all in London with a cinematic flair. It has a lot going for it, but it’s a rocky and uneven experience all around. Still, it’s definitely worth checking out. And that brings us to today’s candidate, none other than the man himself.
Who is Charlie Jolson? What has he done?
A man the world has left behind, Charlie runs the Bethnal Green mob, an old school London Gangster outfit. Back in the day, he ran with real life gangsters like the Kray brothers, but it’s a new England and Charlie’s old fashioned views have left him largely friendless. Still viewed with contempt by the other gangs, he’s best summed up by Collins member Liam Spencer as a “National Front geezer”. Over the years, Charlie has been full of resentment over the changing times and seeks a way to bring back the good old days when white men like him were the undisputed kings.
His plan starts with the attempted kidnapping of Suzie and Alex Hammond, wife and child to former Collins hanger-on Mark Hammond, who’s recently gone straight. He sends his right-hand man Harry Preston along with brutes Eyebrows and Grievous to do the job, where they meet contract killer Yasmin, hired by Charlie as one his “specials”. The kidnapping goes wrong, with Harry fatally shooting Suzie. As the kidnappers make off with Alex, Mark gives chase to a warehouse owned by Charlie, and finds himself captured by the Bethnal boys. Charlie informs him that they’re going to play a little game; Mark will do what Charlie says or Alex dies, and thus begins the day where London’s streets run red.
Charlie sends Mark on a variety of jobs, from torching a Collins-owned restaurant to shooting up a Triad run art gallery and leading the Triads and Yardies into a bloody ambush. He then sends Mark to waste his police contact, DCI Clive McCormack, along with Yasmin. Yasmin is spared and agrees to help Mark. The second to last "suicide mission" is shooting up a Collins bar to grab a dancer named Layla who catches a bullet. Most of these missions involve innocents and police caught in the crossfire of Mark and the gangs.
Around this time, Charlie’s nephew, “Crazy” Jake Jolson, has been arrested by Flying Squad constable Frank Carter, a bit of a loose cannon who’s disliked by his superiors. Charlie orders McCormack, to have Jake “released”, knowing full well that Jake is a psycho who likes shooting first and asking questions never. To ensure the breakout goes smoothly, Charlie has his men attack the police convoy, killing several officers in the process while a reluctant Mark is forced to play driver. Also around this time, thanks to McCormack’s help, the Bethnal boys decide to pay Frank Carter’s wounded partner Joe Fielding a “visit” at the hospital. Luckily, Frank is there and kills the attackers, including Bethnal brute Walt, but many civilians are caught in the crossfire once again.
Captured after attempting to fool the Bethnal boys, Mark wakes up in a filthy cell next to Yasmin. Charlie explains to them just what the purpose of the day’s events have been leading to. Going on a racist tirade, Charlie insists that London is his and his alone, and he’s going to salt the earth by inviting the other gangs to a meeting on the ship Sol Vita with the promise of handing over Mark, the man who caused so much trouble that day. In reality, the ship is rigged with enough explosives to take out the entire waterfront and everyone around it. With the other gangs rudderless, Bethnal Green will be the undisputed victor and Charlie will once again take his throne as crime lord of London. Alex of course will be disposed of like was planned all along.
Luckily for Mark and Yasmin, Frank happens to be at the depot and frees them. After a raid on Charlie's loft, the three arrive at the Sol Vita. Frank kills Jake in a fight on the deck while Mark kills Harry deeper in the cargo. Eyebrows is taken out by Yasmin, while Grievous is also slain by a vengeful Mark. All the while, the other gangs have realized something’s off and a massive firefight breaks out between all four factions. In the belly of the ship, the gang leaders all enter a standoff, at which point Charlie himself is led in by Nick Collins and Liam, who reveal that Charlie was trying to sneak off the ship. Mark, Yasmin, and Alex are also allowed to leave after everyone realizes that Charlie’s been playing them all day.
At this point, Charlie breaks down completely and starts raving about how London is his, throwing more racist slurs against the ethnic gangs. Pulling out the bomb’s detonator, Charlie arms it while singing madly, kicking off one last flowing gunfight throughout the ship. Frank dives off just as the ship explodes, taking Charlie with it along with presumably Nick and Triad leader Mr. Lee, along with who knows how many other gangsters. Frank’s fate is also unclear, as he’s not seen again in the sequel. Regardless, the reign of Bethnal Green is brought to an explosive finale.
Heinousness?
I think the above demonstrates very plainly how Charlie is not merely a typical mob boss but a brutal, self-obsessed bigot who even the other gangs (no saints themselves) find appalling. It’s one episode of extreme violence after another with Charlie, and all in a single day. How many people - gangsters, civilians, and police alike - got killed as a result of his violent ambitions isn’t clear, but it’s a lot. Even the unplanned moments like the aftermath of the Republic fire end up in bloodbaths. There’s not a line throughout the day that Charlie isn’t willing to cross, no one he’s not willing to harm in order to get what he wants. This includes Alex, a child, who he’d have happily fed to the fish were his plan to have succeeded. The other gangs hate him for his brutality and bigotry, with Nick (the other white gang boss) dressing down Charlie with how his views are a thing best left in the past. Even the presence of Mark, the triggerman for much of the day, doesn’t move them from opposing Charlie in the spirit of “racial unity”. That’s how badly Charlie is viewed, even by his criminal contemporaries.
A man of honor he isn’t.
Redeeming qualities?
So this is where previous talks have broken down, and it’s because of Jake Jolson himself. It’s been said that Charlie cares for Jake, but let me tell you how hollow this sentiment is. Charlie is not shown to have any affection towards his nephew; in fact he insults him on more than one occasion and treats him like a glorified errand boy. He sarcastically tells McCormack that Jake’s got a good heart and means well, something Charlie knows is bullshit when McCormack tells him that Jake’s a psycho who needs to be put down; Charlie’s response is to just go “hey, he’s family, what can you do?” in the most dismissive way possible. It’s obvious that Jake is an instrumental part of the Bethnal activities and knows where the bodies are buried, so unlike a freelancer like Yasmin, he’s got value for what criminal skills he brings to the table, but there’s no signs of a loving relationship between uncle and nephew.
Of course, if you still had doubts about that relationship, allow me to bring up something that I feel has been overlooked, and that’s how when Jake is killed by Frank, Charlie’s reaction is to…no wait, he has no reaction. None. Doesn’t say a word about it, doesn’t bring it up in his tirade before playing suicide bomber, nothing. At the end of the day, when Charlie’s back is to the wall, he’s left complaining about why he doesn’t get what he deserves. Jake is not mentioned, nor is Harry or Eyebrows or anyone else in the gang. Charlie’s lack of reaction to Jake’s death sums up how much he cares for his nephew.
And even if one wanted to say that maybe Charlie didn’t know Jake had been killed (which is unlikely), that arguably makes his final act of bombing the ship to be even worse, because he’s already dooming not only a great many of his men to die, but also his own flesh and blood, who he certainly didn’t communicate this to beforehand. And in either case, he has Jake fighting on the front lines outside with the other gangs in a brutal free for all, not exactly where a loving uncle would want a treasured nephew to be.
So in summary, neither look is good for Charlie. If he knows Jake is dead, he doesn’t give a damn about it. And if he doesn’t know, he’s willing to kill his nephew just to satisfy his own pride. Does Charlie care about Jake? Nope. He’s as useful to Charlie as Mark is when all is said and done.
Beyond that, Charlie is little more than a racist nationalist who doesn’t care that he’s putting innocents in harm’s way, or even his own gang members - many of whom he sends to their deaths when Mark first comes calling after the initial kidnapping. So no, there’s nothing redeeming about him.
Verdict?
I’m a solid yes to Charlie, the bad hangover from a different era. I leave the rest to you.
Edited by DaceyMormont on Dec 13th 2023 at 11:01:58 AM
Looks like a to Charlie.
Empress Azura, The Crown & the Flame. (Most likely, an expy of Azshara from Warcraft who is already listed as a CM, but since I'm not familiar with Warcraft, I don't know anything of it firsthand).
The Work
The Crown and the Flame is one of Choices: Stories You Play's earliest visual novels (and one of their best ones, IMHO). Princess Kenna Rys is forced to go into hiding and seeks to retake her throne from the tyrannical Luther Nevrakis who killed her mother. But, as you can see, Luther Nevrakis is not the proposed character.The Character
Azura is a white-skinned, white-haired sorceress and empress of Ducitora. She is already implied to be a threat to the Five Kingdoms (the main setting) for the first two books of the visual novel, but appears in person in the third one.At first, she seems to be a relatively reasonable and benevolent lady, ruling over a utopian prosperous country and reviving a dead wolf pup in front of Kenna's eyes: quite a change after the Obviously Evil Nevrakis clan whose members revel in petty sadism, right?
Except that immediately, it's revealed that all this benevolence is a facade. Azura has lived for over a thousand years and retained her magical powers because she drains the life force of her subjects. That show of reviving the pup? Right afterwards, Azura takes away a young and obviously besotted servant and kills him to replenish her strength. She also organizes public fights to the death, where the surviving champion is immediately killed by her (so that she can be sure she got the strongest life force available). Kenna's devoted captain of the guard Leon becomes a victim of that (Azura doesn't reveal him what the "prize" for the champion would be until the winner is announced, so Leon dies either way, no matter whether he wins or loses).
All of Azura's subjects are completely brainwashed into worshiping her and being ready to get sacrificed at any moment.
In the third book, Azura attacks the Five Kingdoms and nearly manages to defeat them. She offers to duel Kenna for the throne; however, it's made clear she thought it would be a Curb-Stomp Battle and goes into a Villainous Breakdown after losing. She dies with zero repentance, And There Was Much Rejoicing.
Redeeming qualities?
None. She seems to be focused on her empire's prosperity, but it's quickly shown she only cares about her own grandeur and considers other people disposable.
She has kind of a crush on Kenna's spymaster Raydan (who briefly pretends to deflect to her side), but it is never shown to go beyond lust.
If her own devoted captain Jorrin is alive by the time she is defeated, she only calls for him to give her his life force.
She has a preteen daughter Lia, but there is clearly no love lost between them. (Lia asks Raydan, whom she just met and who is working for Kenna and obviously untrustworthy in general, to take her away - it certainly says something about her relationship with her mother).
Azura pretends to be simply concerned for her daughter who is much too innocent and kind for this world, but as she lies dying, her last act towards her daughter (if the latter's in the vicinity) is to rage at her and spit into her face.
Heinousness Standard?
There's a lot of competition, but:Luther Nevrakis is certainly a loathsome tyrant, but even he doesn't slaughter his subjects left and right simply because he needs to sustain himself, and he allies himself with Kenna against Azura (though he tries to attack Kenna again after Azura's defeated, it's implied it's a Suicide by Cop). His son Marco is even worse, being a full-fledged Hate Sink, but precisely because of that he is pretty incompetent by himself when Dad's soldiers can't help him (he can even be spared in Book 1 and promptly forgotten afterwards). Bartel, The Dragon to Marco, is likewise violent and sadistic with zero redeeming qualities, but he acts on a much smaller scale. Marco's sister Zenobia has some humanizing moments and, though sadistic towards her subordinate, loathes war (because it gets shops closed). Hex, a vicious Technocrat who experiments on living beings, has a Morality Pet and can be redeemed.
In short, Marco and Bartel are the only ones who compare when it comes to utter Lack of Empathy, but they are much less competent and have a much smaller body count (by virtue of not living nearly as long).
Conclusion?
Leaning towards yes.
Harbinger of Cringe
Alrighty, as promised, here's Black's writeup!
- Friday Night Funkin' mod Vs. Impostor: The Black Impostor serves as a stark contrast to the otherwise goofy tone of the mod. A parasitic Serial Killer originating directly from the game of Among Us, the Black Impostor jumps from game to game, butchering as many crewmates as possible, leaving their decaying bodies to rot inside of the Defeat Screen, with them even going as far as to kill fellow impostors. At one point in the mod, Black falsely accuses the parent of a mini gray crewmate of being an impostor, causing them to be ejected, before taking the mini crewmate under their wing and raising them into becoming a serial killer much like themselves. Setting their sights on Boyfriend, Black continuously persues him, invading his games and killing off everyone inside, including Boyfriend himself, even getting the aforementioned mini gray crewmate to assist at various points. Becoming frustrated at Boyfriend's persistence, they proceed to evolve into their true parasite form to face off against the rapper in one final duel, presumably killing him once and for all at the end.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to Azura.
For Charlie, could you please either trim the what he did section or provide a summary? Also, how bad are the other characters?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The other gangs are typical criminals. Most of them don't really get fleshed out in detail. But at the end of the day, they have some sense of honor even among killers. They get in some scrapes with rivals but nothing stand out, and much of the chaos is triggered by Charlie.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
I guess I left out the part where Charlie Jolson tries to blow up the ship while presuming Jake is still onboard when I did the EP many years ago. Guess he counts now, so .
for Griffith. Again.
for Empress Azura. Bartel could potentially count if he's got low resources and does the absolute worst with what he's given. I don't know the work, so it's up to you if you wanna EP him or not.
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Rasputin.
I also write fanfiction.