To-do list:
- Split the trope in the following ways:
- Split off a trope for “deep voices signaling an authority figure" (unisex)
- Split off a trope for “deep voices signaling a physically strong character" (unisex)
Badass Baritone is supposed to denote a character who is tough and "badass" by giving them a deep voice. However, Like other Badass tropes, It became a ZCE magnet, and a few examples attracted some gushing especially in regards to the actors/voice actors that portray such characters.
Here are the results from my Wick Check: (Thanks Yindee for the organization help!)
- Valid- (7/52)
- No mentions of the character being a badass- (11/52)
- ZCE- (24/52)
- Maybe/Not sure- (10/52)
Fortunately, There are 2 solutions I can think of:
- Disambiguate with other deep voice related tropes (Contralto Of Danger, Evil Sounds Deep, Power Makes Your Voice Deep etc.).
- Retool the trope to signify deep voices with masculine characters (Much like how Manly Facial Hair was retooled from Badass Beard and Badass Mustache) as well as yard it for deep voices symbolizing a leader/authoritarian figure.
Wick check:
As brought in here
Badass Baritone has a lot ZCEs, Possible Misuse (Its supposed to denote a tough character via deep voice), among others. So I'll check if there's an overarching problem with it.
Gonna play the eenie meenie miney mo game with this
52/52
- Valid- (7/52)
- No mentions of the character being a badass- (11/52)
- ZCE- (24/52)
- Maybe/Not sure- (10/52)
- Fire Emblem Heroes Midgard (Gustav)/ Badass Baritone: The tough king of Askr, with a very deep voice to match, courtesy of Joji Nakata and Edward Bosco. Valid
- Far Cry 3 (Dennis)/ Badass Baritone: He has a deep, mature voice, and he's an African warrior of the Rakyat tribe. Valid
- Horizon Zero Dawn - Tribes(Aratak)/ Badass Baritone: His voice is deep and commanding, as befits a powerful tribal chieftain. Valid
- LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (Wolverine)/ Badass Baritone: Has the usual low register to provide the usual badass image for Wolverine. Valid
- Now and Then, Here and There (Elamba)/ Badass Baritone/Evil Sounds Deep: In the english dub his voice is much deeper to emphasize the ruthless warrior he is and seems to lower as his cruelty becomes more apparent. Comes naturally when you have the same voice as the Shredder. Valid
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: He's got a deep voice and a deep love for combat. (Wheeljack) Valid
- Punch-Out!!/ Badass Baritone: In the Wii game, he speaks with the deepest voice of all the boxers next to Mr. Sandman. He's easily one of the tougher opponents in the game as well, if you haven't figured out how to deal with his attacks. (Great Tiger) Valid
- The Locked Tomb (Silas)/ Badass Baritone: It's noted by Gideon's narration that he has a rather deep No mentions of the badass part
- Resident Evil - Albert Wesker/ Badass Baritone: He has a very deep and booming voice. No mentions of the badass part
- Live A Hero (Monomasa)/ Badass Baritone: Has a very deep voice, though it is unclear if this is Drovain's own voice or if he is using Monomasa's. No mention of the badass part
- The Testament Of Sister New Devil Moderate Faction (Rasmus)/ Badass Baritone: Both Tesshō Genda and Christopher Corey Smith provide a deep, booming voice of Ramsus. No mention of the badass part
- Kamen Rider Revice / Weekend (The Masked Man)/ Badass Baritone: His present self has a deep, almost metallic sounding voice, courtesy of Shinshu Fuji. No mention of the badass part
- Doom (2016): UAC and ARC (Samuel Hayden)/ Badass Baritone: His deep voice has drawn more than a few comparisons to Peter Cullen's take on Optimus Prime. Doesn't explain the badass part
- Knives Out (Benoit Blanc)/ Badass Baritone: Blanc's Southern accent blends extremely well with Daniel Craig's natural deep voice. no mentions of the badass part
- Sybal-Heim (Basileus)/ Badass Baritone: His deep voice is portrayed with black speech bubbles instead of white. No mentions of the badass part
- Team Fortress 2: The Engineer/ Badass Baritone: Maybe not as much at launch, but Grant Goodeve tends to use a noticeably deeper voice for lines added in later updates. No Mention of the badass part
- Metroid - Bounty Hunters (Ghor)/ Badass Baritone: His voice is significantly deeper in his battle suit. It's most obvious in the conversation you have with him on the first mission to Norion. Mixes with Evil Sounds Deep after his corruption. no mention of the badass part
- Puyo Puyo Fever (Possessed Klug) / Badass Baritone: His English voice acting in his Tetris 2 DLC appearance has an impressively deep and intimidating pitch. no mention of the badass part
- Berserk: Guts/ Badass Baritone: Damn, even his voice is badass! And it was shown (or rather, heard) in the anime that Guts went through some major puberty at around age 14 or 15 since he already has a deep voice by then. It just adds to the sexiness. ZCE plus creepy gushing
- Pastamonsters Enderman And His Allies (Enderman)/ Badass Baritone: Especially when he sings ZCE
- Trails Series Erebonia Ironblood (Rufus Alberea)/ Badass Baritone: To emphasize his noble bearing and combat prowess. ZCE
- Final Fantasy XV - Kingdom of Lucis (Regis Lucis Caelum CXIII)/Badass Baritone: It gives him a fitting air of command and gravitas. ZCE
- Helheim Hassle (Bear Death)/ Badass Baritone: He has this up until his identity is revealed. After that, his voice is considerably less baritone and badass. ZCE
- Bravely Default Protagonists (Ringabell)/ Badass Baritone: He has a rather deep and smooth voice in the Japanese dub. Not so much in the English version. ZCE
- Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office/ Badass Baritone: Part of the parcel when you're a badass martial artist played by Daisuke Ono. (Van Arkride) ZCE
- Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office/ Badass Baritone: As expected from the man who voiced Snake and Big Boss, Bergard has a really deep voice. (Bergard Zeman) ZCE
- Borderlands: Hyperion (Vasquez)/ Badass Baritone: God bless you, Mr. Warburton. ZCE plus gushing
- Tsukihime: Supporting Cast (Nrvnqsr Chaos)/ Badass Baritone: He's voiced by Joji Nakata. ZCE
- The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015) (Napoleon Solo)/ Badass Baritone: American accent or not, that is Henry Cavill's natural voice. ZCE
- Hololive Holostars Japan Generation Three (Oga Aragami)/Badass Baritone: Has one of the deepest (if not the deepest) voices among the Holostars. This is heavily abused during Oga's cover of Love Live!'s 'Snow Halation' during a collab singing session. He later mentions during a late-night talk stream that because his voice is naturally low, it can be difficult for people to hear him clearly, which causes him to raise his voice, which in turn spooks people. ZCE plus possible IRL troping
- The X Factor USA Season 2 (Willie Jones)/ Badass Baritone ZCE
- Destiny The Guardians (Commander Zavala)/ Badass Baritone: Has one of the deepest voices in the game and you do not become Titan Vanguard without reason. ZCE
- A Dragon in Shining Armour (Alphamon)/ Badass Baritone: Alphamon is described as having a deep voice. ZCE
- Tada Never Falls in Love (KittyBig)/ Badass Baritone: The voice in his heart one could easily mistake for James Earl Jones. It's not though. ZCE
- Witch Cartoon Allies(Vathek)/ Badass Baritone: He has a deep voice in the animated series. ZCE
- Tales of Xillia (Gaius)/ Badass Baritone: In the dub, courtesy of Travis Willingham. ZCE
- Jak and Daxter (Sig)/ Badass Baritone: Courtesy of his voice actor. ZCE
- Okupas (Pollo)/ Badass Baritone: Has quite a deep voice. ZCE
- Saints Row The Third Street Saints (Keith David)/ Badass Baritone: A given, as he is one of the go-to voices for such an archetype in Hollywood. ZCE
- Total War: Warhammer - The Greenskins (Grom the Paunch)/ Badass Baritone: During the trailer of The Warden and the Paunch, Grom had a voice almost as low as Grimgor's. While significantly higher-pitched in game, his voice is still notably deep for a goblin and far deeper than Skarsnik's. ZCE and no mention of the badass part
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: Comes with being voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson. (Bulkhead) ZCE
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: Comes with being voiced by Michael Ironside. (Ultra Magnus) ZCE
- Like a Dragon: Kazuma Kiryu/ Badass Baritone: Takaya Kuroda, an actor with a notably deep voice, plays Kiryu with pure, unadulterated badass. He also uses it to great effect whenever he sings. Darryl Kurylo's no slouch in this regard, either. Maybe valid
- Splinter Cell: Fisher Family (Sam Fisher)/ Badass Baritone: He's one of the most lethal men on the planet, and he's voiced by Michael Ironside in almost all appearances. His distinct low growl is often the last thing his opponents ever hear. Also counts for Daniel Beretta in the European French version. Maybe valid (Note: I combined it with the subbullet so I won't get confused during counting)
- Super Robot Wars UX (Agnes "Agni" Berge)/ Badass Baritone: He has a slightly deeper voice in Act 3, signifying his more serious and professional attitude at this point. Maybe Valid
- Kirby - King Dedede/ Badass Baritone: In games where he is voiced, Dedede is liable to have a bellowing, kingly voice. It's greatly emphasized by his tendency to roar, and he indeed has the strength to back it up. Maybe Valid
- The Elder Scrolls Online (King Fahara'jad)/ Badass Baritone: He has a very deep voice and is a capable king. Maybe Valid
- Kingsman: Kingsmen (Merlin)/ Badass Baritone: Merlin has a deep voice and is the Kingsmen's resident Badass Bookworm. Mayhaps
- Soul Eater: Troubled Souls - Headmaster And Staff (Lord Death)/Badass Baritone: During his Let's Get Dangerous!! moments, otherwise his voice is chipper and goofy. Unsure
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: Peter Cullen's voice has only gotten more deep over the years, and even more badass.(Optimus Prime) Not Sure
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: He's got a deep voice and can fight with the best of them. (Cliffjumper) Maybe Valid
- Punch-Out!!/Badass Baritone: The Wii version gives him an impressively deep voice to make him even more intimidating. (Mr. Sandman) Maybe
- Possible solutions:
- Disambiguate with other deep voice related tropes (Contralto Of Danger, Evil Sounds Deep, Power Makes Your Voice Deep etc.).
- Retool the trope to signify deep voices with manly characters (Much like how Manly Facial Hair was retooled from Badass Beard and Badass Mustache) as well as yard it for deep voices symbolizing a leader/authoritarian figure.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 1st 2023 at 1:22:27 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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Have you read Administrivia.TLP Guidelines? I'm not that familiar with TLP, so someone else would be more qualified to go into more detail if that isn't enough.
the Retromancer
We have a thread for helping with drafts in pre and early TLP, but I really don't like the idea of abridging a rule page, we're not in an urgent hurry to launch new tropes.
low-poly Shinri
I did, But my monkey brain didn’t register some of the rules.
Just stoic wisdom.
So since the new tropes are deemed unisex, should Contralto Of Danger be wick checked? Just glancing at its definition, it seems like it'd get the same split as BB because it's listed as its Distaff Counterpart.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think it would be fine, but I'd prefer to give it its own thread, similarly to how after we retooled Bald Of Awesome into Bald of Authority, we gave Bald Black Leader Guy (which was determined to be The Same, but More Specific to the then-newly launched Bald of Authority) its own thread instead of folding it into Bald Of Awesome's thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 14th 2023 at 8:49:56 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Just stoic wisdom.
Oh how I love the sound of precedent. I'll do a pre-queueing check at Sandbox.Contralto Check. Would it be a good idea to compare wicks against the two proposed split tropes?
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
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I guess so
Also, sorry for the lack of activity on the drafts, been busy with school stuff and can't find the time.
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Just stoic wisdom.
Dw, Ayumi. TRS is a group effort, after all! I'll keep digging up examples for both pages. School is more important.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
No big deal. Your personal life should come before TV Tropes maintenance, since the latter is just volunteer work.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
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All right, second times the charm. Officially launched the Authority TLP.
Edit: So far, I got two bombs and 1 hat. Is the description not good? Because I'm bad at explaining things sometimes.
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Feb 18th 2023 at 8:48:18 PM
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Professional Wick Checker
You can ask there in the TLP draft since the TRS is only concerned with trope pages, and we don't typically deal with drafts here. But to answer your question, yes, maybe the description needs more work, but some people just drop bombs for the sake of it without clear reasons, and the same for hats. Don't take them as like and dislike buttons though.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Yeah, you'd get a better answer if you asked in the comment section for the draft, especially since there are plenty of people who are active on one part of the site but not the other between TRS and TLP (for example, I've been active on the former for several years, while I've rarely touched the latter).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 21st 2023 at 5:48:17 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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Bumping this thread, the TLP is going pretty slow.
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Bumping again. Sorry for the lack of activity on my part, The launch examples have been slow and I haven't been getting enough motivation. Hopefully I get by this week or the bext one.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
It's fine. TLP drafts need time and care to be launch-worthy, but that shouldn't take priority over the sponsors giving themselves time and care since it's just a hobby.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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Decided to update the Deep Voice Signals Strength page with only one example. More examples are welcome.
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Bumping the thread to let everyone know that the Deep Voice Signals Strength now has three examples, but I need some help on the JoJo examples since I don't know how to word it.
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Just stoic wisdom.
Don't really know anything about JJBA, but I'd been too lazy to add in some examples that I'd found. Rectified that now.
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You can ask a mod to make a crowner for the TLP so that it can be linked there.
Macron's notes
Crown Description:
Badass Baritone's tropeworthiness has been questioned, but splitting off specific concepts has been suggested. What should be done with Badass Baritone?
Alright, launched the draft
for the “deep voice signals strength” thing. Thanks to Selkies for the proposed draft. I’ll write the “deep voice signals an authority figure” hopefully later.
Edit: Deep Voice Signals Authority
is now live!
Edit 2: I positively f-ed up, I didn’t know you should have at 5 examples on page before launching. So I nuked them and I’ll make drafts for the tropes tomorrow via sandbox.
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 27th 2023 at 6:48:49 PM
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