Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
Examples
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
Examples
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Lightysnake
Since: May, 2010
#2002: Dec 29th 2022 at 6:07:43 PM
Me: Worm page? Isn't it only a single-
me: Sees it has more words than A Song of Ice and Fire
Also me: Carry on (and good quote!)
WetFlannels
Classy, Refined, Unstable
from Nearby, on a cosmological scale.
Since: Oct, 2021
Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2003: Dec 29th 2022 at 6:08:44 PM
Note that quote down for the inevitable!
How many guys you expecting from this?
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
Lightysnake
Since: May, 2010
#2004: Dec 29th 2022 at 6:10:12 PM
Although, maybe we should keep commenting on new characters we expect to a minimum, given War's supposition, just till we know stuff for sure?
Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 29th 2022 at 6:10:30 AM
#2005: Dec 29th 2022 at 6:16:54 PM
Solid quote
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
EmeraldEmperor
Lies and Violence!
Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#2006: Dec 29th 2022 at 6:19:42 PM
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Ah, sorry about that.
ASghhrv6ub
Best Smile
from Second star to the right.
Since: Jun, 2020
Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
STARCRUSHER99
The Moron
from one of my unhealthy obsessions
(Captain)
Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#2008: Dec 29th 2022 at 9:03:15 PM
Hey ya'll, wanted to update some old entries real quick - from War of Remnant: A RWBY Anthology. Basically, when I proposed the candidates, the fic had been declared dead by the author (they actually wanted to delete it, but they deleted their account instead, and AO3 keeps works from dead accounts up) - but they ended up going back to it, and all the keepers need an update. Basically, Blade and Jacques were in the wrong place (based on first appearance), but the other four need slight rewrites to accommodate their frankly horrifying crimes in the latest volume.
Originals
- Complete Monster:
- Dr. Arthur Watts is a narcissist willing to kill anyone in the way of his enormous ego. When James Ironwood showed preference to a soldier named Nicholas Shade, Watts responded by brainwashing Shade into a Serial Killer called the Nightwalker, causing many innocent deaths. When Winter confronts Shade, Watts orders him to capture her so he can mutilate her body for James to find, but when she fixes the brainwashing first, Watts kills him to protect his identity. Later on, Watts masterminds an attack on the unveiling of the new Knights, intending to kill all the dozens of innocents inside; when the attack is a failure and the terrorists have to retreat, Watts kills them all to cover up his involvement. Later on, Watts provides Cinder the virus necessary to cause the Fall of Beacon, willing to kill everyone in Vale for the sake of his misplaced vengeance. Even causing traffic accidents wherever he goes for fun, Watts is pettiness personified and spreads nothing but death throughout the world.
- Damian Void is the man responsible for the White Fang's many atrocities. Funding the Fang as a way to exterminate humanity, Damian targets the Faunus just as much as he targets humans, making no secret that he's only interested in killing as many people as possible. After ordering Roman to attack Team RWBY with the Paladin, he later takes Ruby hostage when he finds her in Mountain Glenn; when she refuses to talk, Damian electrocutes her until her Aura breaks, then holds a knife at her throat to make her team back off. When allied with Cinder Fall, he funds the Breach, intending to massacre everyone in Vale simply to kill a few of his business rivals and to satiate his endless sadism. When this fails, Damian executes his own henchman for annoying him, then goes on a killing spree across Vale, taking back what he believes is owed for the Breach's failure.
- Jacques Schnee is the CEO of the Schnee Dust Company and the leader of his own criminal empire. After manipulating his grieving wife to steal the company from her, Jacques stole her shares to ensure she would never leave him, then began regularly emotionally and physically abusing his children. Jacques immediately institutes dangerous budget cuts, leading to dangerous events like cave-ins becoming regular occurrences and leading to dozens of deaths among his workforce. Among other heinous acts, he forces his daughter Weiss to witness terrorists execute his board so that she'll become a racist like him; bombs the rally of a political opponent, killing dozens of innocents; and masterminds a terrorist attack on a mall with the White Fang, double-crossing them afterwards for the sake of stoking anti-Faunus tensions, all the while planning on running for the Council to take even more power for himself.
- Adam Taurus, the "Spiteful Bull", remains as sadistically petty as ever. As a terrorist that primarily targets civilian populations, Adam already has over 50 kills to his name after two attacks, racking up dozens more when he bombs a restaurant. When Winter publicly calls him a coward, Adam demands she take it back; when she doesn't, Adam seeks her home and murders her wife and infant daughter out of pure spite. When Winter arrives a moment too late, Adam briefly spares her so she'll die in pain, then sets her apartment on fire to escape in the chaos. Later proving himself willing to participate in the Fall of Beacon purely to spite his ex-girlfriend Blake, Adam's brief appearance does nothing to diminish his vile actions.
- Commander Simon Blade is an Atlesian nationalist who views the citizens of Mantle as expendable. Believing himself to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner, Blade executes every person he sees committing a crime out of the belief that they're scum compared to him. Twice executing drug busts that kill everyone inside, including one person who tries to flee, Blade previously murdered Henry Marigold for stealing pharmaceuticals, sparing May so that she may spread the story from "the city that actually matters". Later on, Blade allies with Arthur Watts to sell out the unveiling of the Knights, fully willing to let everyone inside die for the sake of greed; when the attack goes wrong, he kills three of the terrorists personally to cover up his involvement, smiling all the while.
Rewrites
- Complete Monster:
- Dr. Arthur Watts is a narcissist willing to kill anyone in the way of his enormous ego. When James Ironwood showed preference to a soldier named Nicholas Shade, Watts responded by brainwashing Shade into a Serial Killer called the Nightwalker, causing many innocent deaths. When Winter confronts Shade, Watts orders him to capture her so he can mutilate her body for James to find, but when she fixes the brainwashing first, Watts kills him to protect his identity. Later on, Watts masterminds an attack on the unveiling of the new Knights, intending to kill all the dozens of innocents inside; when the attack is a failure and the terrorists have to retreat, Watts kills them all to cover up his involvement. Later on, Watts provides Cinder the virus necessary to cause the Fall of Beacon, willing to kill everyone in Vale for the sake of his misplaced vengeance; he later personally ensures Vale's fall by manipulating the Vytal Tournament, tricking Pyrrha Nikos into murdering Penny Polendina while Penny's father Pietro and girlfriend Ruby Rose are Forced to Watch.
- Commander Simon Blade is an Atlesian nationalist who views the citizens of Mantle as expendable. Believing himself to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner, Blade executes every person he sees committing a crime out of the belief that they're scum compared to him. Twice executing drug busts that kill everyone inside, including one person who tries to flee, Blade previously murdered Henry Marigold for stealing pharmaceuticals, sparing May so that she may spread the story from "the city that actually matters". Later on, Blade allies with Arthur Watts to sell out the unveiling of the Knights, fully willing to let everyone inside die for the sake of greed; when the attack goes wrong, he kills three of the terrorists personally to cover up his involvement, smiling all the while.
- Jacques Schnee is the CEO of the Schnee Dust Company and the leader of his own criminal empire. After manipulating his grieving wife to steal the company from her, Jacques stole her shares to ensure she would never leave him, then began regularly emotionally and physically abusing his children. Jacques immediately institutes dangerous budget cuts, leading to dangerous events like cave-ins becoming regular occurrences and leading to dozens of deaths among his workforce; his workers also commit heinous crimes like branding their workers, with Neon Katt's mother committing suicide from the trauma. Among other heinous acts, he forces his daughter Weiss to witness terrorists execute his board so that she'll become a racist like him; bombs the rally of a political opponent, killing dozens of innocents; buys trafficked slaves from the Crown to work in his mines; assassinates any business rivals, including Flynt Coal's father; and masterminds a terrorist attack on a mall with the White Fang, double-crossing them afterwards for the sake of stoking anti-Faunus tensions, all the while planning on running for the Council to take even more power for himself.
- Damian Void is the man responsible for the White Fang's many atrocities. Funding the Fang as a way to exterminate humanity, Damian targets the Faunus just as much as he targets humans, making no secret that he's only interested in killing as many people as possible. After ordering Roman to attack Team RWBY with the Paladin, he later takes Ruby hostage when he finds her in Mountain Glenn; when she refuses to talk, Damian electrocutes her until her Aura breaks, then holds a knife at her throat to make her team back off. When allied with Cinder Fall, he funds the Breach, intending to massacre everyone in Vale simply to kill a few of his business rivals and to satiate his endless sadism. When this fails, Damian executes his own henchman for annoying him, then goes on a killing spree across Vale, taking back what he believes is owed for the Breach's failure. He later joins Adam's assault on Vale by having his forces go through the streets and apartments slaughtering everyone in sight, with his men executing entire apartment buildings worth of people.
- Adam Taurus, the "Spiteful Bull", remains as sadistically petty as ever. As a terrorist that primarily targets civilian populations, Adam already has over 50 kills to his name after two attacks, racking up dozens more when he bombs a restaurant. When Winter publicly calls him a coward, Adam demands she take it back; when she doesn't, Adam seeks her home and murders her wife and infant daughter out of pure spite. When Winter arrives a moment too late, Adam briefly spares her so she'll die in pain, then sets her apartment on fire to escape in the chaos; fresh off this incident, he attempts to murder Ciel Soleil's team and kills her partner Dawn. He later orders his forces to kill everyone in sight during the fall of Vale, including other Faunus, before making his way to Beacon and personally killing students there; when he discovers Blake Belladonna in the chaos, he first rapes her with his gun — having also raped her when she was fifteen — then slices off Yang Xiao Long's arm just to further spite her for leaving him.
How they looking?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Dec 30th 2022 at 2:45:49 PM
Amanofmanyinterests
Gotta love Jaws!
Since: Oct, 2020
Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Gotta love Jaws!
#2009: Dec 29th 2022 at 9:39:03 PM
Cut Joe and Crow.
Looks good.
papyru30
The wifi here sucks
from South Dakota for school
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#2010: Dec 29th 2022 at 10:22:19 PM
Here's an old one of mine I feel like could do with a small change for clarification (the current one makes it sound like he killed people in the hotel which isn't true and I think the last sentence could do with a small change)
Old
- Mile 22: Axel is the Indocarrian agent in charge of catching Li Noor. When Overwatch is escaping with Noor Axel blows up one of their trucks, killing several agents. When Overwatch hide in a cafe Axel blows it up, killing all of the civilians inside including a little girl. He later executes agent Douglas when he makes a stand against Axel's agents. In the following fight his men shoot up a hotel, nearly killing agent Alice and a little girl. Despite his friendly persona, Axel is continuously shown to not care about anyone but himself.
New
- Mile 22: Axel is the Indocarrian agent in charge of catching Li Noor. When Overwatch is escaping with Noor Axel blows up one of their trucks, killing several agents. When Overwatch hide in a cafe Axel blows it up, killing all of the civilians inside including a little girl. He later executes agent Douglas when he makes a stand against Axel's agents. In the following fight his men nearly kill agent Alice and a little girl. Despite his friendly persona, Axel is continuously shown to not care who he has to hurt to get the job done.
Edited by papyru30 on Dec 29th 2022 at 11:55:55 AM
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Bye
#2011: Dec 30th 2022 at 1:13:18 AM
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Axel and RWBY rewrites, Jack Slash quote
EmperorGeode
Not the Eye
from A Galaxy far, far away
Since: Oct, 2022
Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#2012: Dec 30th 2022 at 1:32:40 AM
Yes to Axel and rwby fanfic rewrites (esspecaly adam’s), and to worm quote.
@ Lyghtysnake, there is also a Sequel just to remind.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Dec 30th 2022 at 2:33:32 AM
ACW
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Since: Jul, 2009
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
#2013: Dec 30th 2022 at 2:21:14 AM
STAR and papyru: Please add to the Drafts.
Joe have enough votes to cut? I think yes.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
#2014: Dec 30th 2022 at 4:37:47 AM
Great job on the rewrites folks!
EmperorGeode
Not the Eye
from A Galaxy far, far away
Since: Oct, 2022
Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#2015: Dec 30th 2022 at 6:01:55 AM
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Right sorry!
Edited by EmperorGeode on Dec 30th 2022 at 6:27:51 AM
Lightysnake
Since: May, 2010
#2016: Dec 30th 2022 at 6:12:51 AM
Geode, please check my last message. It’s really for the best we not comment on candidates we want to get up right now with war’s last post
WetFlannels
Classy, Refined, Unstable
from Nearby, on a cosmological scale.
Since: Oct, 2021
Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2017: Dec 30th 2022 at 6:38:27 AM
Good rewrites guys!
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
futuremoviewriter
Since: Jun, 2014
#2018: Dec 30th 2022 at 8:41:53 AM
Having read both versions, I approve of the Axel rewrite.
Wild Child
#2019: Dec 30th 2022 at 8:59:26 AM
Hey, so here's a write-up of mine I feel could use some trimming.
- Justice League Dark: Destiny is a malevolent sorcerer with a god complex. A former man of science, Destiny became consumed by a lust for power and, using a combination of Black Magic and his own soul, created a magical artifact called the Dreamstone, which had the ability to force its victims to live their worst nightmares, often driving them into a murderous rage. Destiny used the Dreamstone to spread fear and chaos across the land until he was defeated by the demon Etrigan and Merlin, but not before he mortally wounded the knight Jason Blood, resulting in him merging with Etrigan to save his life. His physical form destroyed, Destiny's spirit resided in a fragment of the Dreamstone for centuries until it was uncovered by Ritchie Simpson, who was dying of a magical illness. Playing on the man's desperation for immortality, Destiny manipulates Ritchie into spreading the Dreamstone's dark magic across the world, resulting in casualties on a global scale, while Destiny fed off of the negative energy of the stone's victims. Upon returning to physical form upon the Dreamstone being united, Destiny possesses Ritchie's body and sets off to continue his worldwide conquest. Affecting a nearby city with the Dreamstone's magic to gain power, Destiny causes mass chaos and destruction, and kills Swamp Thing when he attempts to intervene. Even when defeated, Destiny mortally wounds Jason Blood, resulting in the latter's death.
Here's my attempted rewrite.
- Justice League Dark: Destiny is a malevolent sorcerer with a god complex. Creating a magical artifact called the Dreamstone, which would force its victims to live their worst nightmares, often driving them into a murderous rage, Destiny terrorized the land until he was defeated by the demon Etrigan and Merlin, though not before mortally wounding knight Jason Blood, necessitating his merging with Etrigan to save his life. Centuries later, Destiny's spirit would manipulate the dying Ritchie Simpson into spreading the Dreamstone's magic across the world, causing casualties on a global scale, while feeding off the negative energy of the stone's victims. Finally returning to the physical world upon the Dreamstone being united, Destiny possesses Ritchie's body and sets off to continue his global conquest, wreaking havoc in a nearby city and mortally wounding Jason Blood upon his defeat.
ACW
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Since: Jul, 2009
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Professor Gigachad
DemonDuckofDoom
from Some Pond in Hell
Since: Sep, 2015
Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#2022: Dec 30th 2022 at 11:13:09 AM
Any more votes on cutting Joe? If nobody objects I'll handle it in a couple hours.
WetFlannels
Classy, Refined, Unstable
from Nearby, on a cosmological scale.
Since: Oct, 2021
Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#2023: Dec 30th 2022 at 11:17:51 AM
Alright, now I think this guy may have to go. It's a guy I got up earlier this year:The Fur Trader. Here's his writeup:
- The Fur Trader was a former Khajiit vagrant and robber who became something much worse after a botched heist. Discovering that a Trader would pay much more for his deceased brother's pelt, the Fur Trader took that trade to an art form, killing countless others to sell their skins for profit. Eventually, the Fur Trader had managed to gather enough gold to hire others to do his work for him, stalking the alleys and forest roads to harvest innocent people's skins. Despite being captured and tried for execution, the Fur Trader intends on breaking out of his prison and continuing the trade, not intending to stop until his demise and leaving behind a horrific legacy.
Now I genuinely still think he's uniquely heinous enough for the series. My issue is the lack of a visual aid because it's written down? (Book here for reference.) It's a genuinely creepy little story from the series but I think looking back, there's too little of a visual description to help? Compared to the other in game novel keeper, which goes into detail about how horrific the deaths are.
So I do think he's heinous enough...on paper but there's too little detail about how horrific the operation is.
Eh...thoughts?
EDIT: I'll get the original vote count in a bit.
Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 30th 2022 at 7:19:03 PM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
ACW
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Since: Jul, 2009
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
#2024: Dec 30th 2022 at 11:29:46 AM
DDD: I already have the cut ready with the swaps.
Eh, I think he can stay.
Edited by ACW on Dec 30th 2022 at 2:30:25 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
RIP Toriyama
#2025: Dec 30th 2022 at 12:02:49 PM
I approve of the rewrites y'all, particularly yours for War of Remnant, STAR!
I think the Fur Trader is probably fine, but I could be swayed.
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Total posts: 13,801
Cut Crow. I also have a good quote that I want to keep in reserve for the seemingly inevitable Worm page.