WebVideo namespace and index cleanup

Channels like CinemaSins build up a stable of in-jokes and running gags that might be tropeworthy, but they're edge cases. I've always maintained that those alone don't count, and that needs to remain consistent.

What original, creative, transformative content do CS and its sister channels bring to the media they criticize?

Overlord DVD is a page I've wondered about, as while it does has "characters", the main Doomcock character's opinions are simply just the creator's own opinions, not a character. Also the content itself is clickbait content reporting about Disney being "Woke", which isn't really tropeable (ie similar channels like The Quartering do not have pages, nor should they)

OK, so WebVideo.Grade A Under A is definitely WebAnimation/ right? I mean there's zero original live-action footage from Grade himself, the only live-action footage shown are videos from other creators. I know his "animation" is one of the minimalist kind, but I believe it still counts.

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Oct 11th 2023 at 1:11:49 PM

True, Doomcock does seem to be one of *those* people, but it looks like his article seems pretty tame compared to, say, the articles for Critical Drinker or Mauler when they were around. It focuses on the other "characters" for the most part, with the exception of the very bottom. If nothing else, that could probably use a rewrite.

Is WebVideo.Act Promptly in the correct namespace? It was originally created in WebOriginal/, then moved to WebVideo/, but seeing as it appears to be a VTuber show, it seems like it would be more appropriate for WebAnimation/.

I would agree that Grade A Under A is Web Animation. I'd say it belongs there more than something like Sawtooth Waves, which is already in the namespace.

On a related note, Taco Man needs to join Web Animation.

Edited by Serilly on Oct 12th 2023 at 2:12:16 AM

SNES drunk is a reviewer that I feel isn't tropable, as it is solely just reviewing SNES games (and other retro games), with no exaggeration. He speaks in a calm voice and not a silly cartoony one, doesn't play any sort of character, doesn't even show his face, and does not give any exaggerated opinions. I enjoy his content but he really doesn't belong here.

Should the note about MauLer be removed from the header, as the pages have been cut?

I've been helping maintain Roahm Mythril and Pink Kitty Rose's pages for some years now, so I suppose I might as well ask. Do these get moved to Web Original, Web Video or what have you, or should they be eschewed altogether?

Edited by CRBWildcat on Oct 18th 2023 at 11:22:51 AM

Do they create a narrative outside of the games' default one? Do they play a character beyond your normal "internet persona" type of deal? Do they play a game in a way that is transformative to an extent that it is tropable separate from the game itself? (Potholes lead to examples)

Unless the answer to one of the above is yes, it's very likely they aren't tropable. If most of the tropes relate to how they react and their personality as people, that's not tropable.

In general with pages about individual let's players rather than specific series, I feel it becomes easier to fall into the trap of Real Life Troping unless you're talking about something like Dream's manhunts or Ivorycello's prison escapes, since most of the time pages for individual LPers tend to just come down to "person playing games".

The OP of this thread goes into more detail on this in the folder about the depreciation of the Let's Play namespace.

Particularly, this section from the page on Real Life Troping may also help you:

Edited by Serilly on Oct 18th 2023 at 11:15:34 AM

(sigh) I was afraid of that. Well, thanks for telling me.

I hope my response didn't come off as too much of a wall of text/condescending, or like, shutting you down, I was just trying to explain the distinction between tropable and non-tropable Let's Play content. ^^; Others may have more experience with your creators here and believe they are tropable, I can't really make a judgement from the pages here alone.

If it's of any consolation, I think you should be a-okay to keep Pink Rose Garden Touhou regardless of whether those LPers are tropable.

It wasn't anything like that, no. It's just that I considered myself to have a vested interest (for the lack of a better expression) in those particular pages for the past eight years or so, and I hated to have to see them go.

Ah, well. If worst comes to worst, I can at least save them to disk and look at them offline if I need to. All the same, I still do appreciate you telling me.

Going by that logic, plenty of other Let's Players will need to be examined, including some bigger names. For example, I have followed Chuggaaconroy for years and I am not sure if his associated pages would see a simple overhaul, since most of his videos may not qualify as transformative.

Alright.

As for Pink Kitty Rose's page, at least we can nuke the Everyone Has Standards example; that's also skirting the trope's Real Life example prohibition.

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 19th 2023 at 10:14:30 AM

That's what we're doing. I have a sandbox at Lets Play Wick Sorting, for a start, but a lot of these need to be discussed case-by-case. Anyone is free to look at the sandbox and sort things around, though.

Moved her there

Edited by Serilly on Oct 19th 2023 at 10:16:27 AM

Now, re: Pink Kitty Rose, as I'm familiar with her: I'd say she can be filed under Weird Case.

One one side of the spectrum are her early videos, which is gameplay + textboxes featuring her comments. Not very tropable. On the other, her interactions with the voiced tracker during her SMZ3 is very sitcom-like. That could be troped.

Did some more sorting, here's another batch of "I think these are easy cuts":

• Bren Tenkage: Hot mess of a page last edited 7 years ago, lot of RL troping.
• Get Daved: All RL troping or reactions.
• GI Proz: 99% troping the people's normal personalities.
• Lathrix: Short page filled with RL troping.
• Mischa Crossing: Entirely RL troping.
• Nalif: Pretty much all RL troping or basic reactions/gameplay.

Also, I'm just going to go ahead and cutlist Loltyler 1. Not a single thing on there isn't RL troping.

Sorry if they've been brought up before (I did look at previous pages but not all of them) but I'm wondering if the pages for H.Bomberguy and Folding Ideas, at least, warrants some serious cleaning up based on what I've seen in this thread.

The main things I see are

• Both don't have narratives as I understand is defined by TV Tropes. They present as themselves, they don't have distinct characters (the page for Dan Olson mention him having a puppet but it says he's phased out, and not having watched most of his videos, I don't know how extensive the puppet's presense was or if it could be said to be a capital-C Character or just the guy saying things in a funny voice), they do have gags and creative editing but no longform story.
• Both have their bread and butter on commenting on real people and events, and as such a lot of entries on both creator's page do Real Life Troping that seems to go agains the recommendations on that page. Stuff like "Blatant Lies hbomberguy's Roblox video shows how much of a pathological liar Tommy Tallarico is" (Which yeah, speaking as myself and not a Concerned Citizen, he totally is but Tommy Tallarico is also a real person who was not doing it for some sort of Andy Kaufman-esque bit, and not a character in a work of fiction)

Mostly I am uncertain about the whole Books on Trope clause and what sort of commentary counts as transformative enough to warrant coverage on this site. A few months back I made an Ask The Tropers querry about reviewer pages and I was told entries like "Special Effects Failure: The reviewer finds the special effect in Movie bad" were not legit, and while some of the entries do use the reviewer's content to talk about a trope's use in fiction and yadadi yadada, a lot of it seems to be just troping the creator's subjective opinions and interpretations of a work.

So yeah, thoughts?

Edited by Glowsquid on Oct 20th 2023 at 12:34:05 PM

• If something feels like it needs a cleanup, automatically assume it does. Since editing is free and all pages require to be clean, it's only a question of work size.
• Hbomberguy seems to use a lot of comedy bits and gags in his discussions, and at least the Roblox video had a Framing Device of the guy uncovering some old conspiracy with a dedicated costume. If oages focuses on what H does and not what he talks about, it should be okay, otherwise see previous point. Never heard of the other guy.
• This discussion really needs to finalize, but the general direction is that if a vidoe has only Discussed Trope, it's not tropable.

Edited by Amonimus on Oct 20th 2023 at 9:42:58 PM

Another potential candidate for Weird Cases or perhaps salvageable is ProtonJon.

The tropeworthiness of his LP projects and streams fluctuate quite a bit. He does have obvious tropeworthy content in the form of some stream gags and plenty of fanmade Original Characters that are incorporated into his brand.

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 20th 2023 at 1:51:11 PM

He's also 1/3rd of The Runaway Guys, which also has plenty of tropeworthy content, with or without the new rules.

I think Technoblade can be transplanted at any time after a last cleanup of RL troping?

Catastrophe Crow says it's an Alternate Reality Game, so shouldn't it be at ARG/?

Probably. It started as a series of videos, but then a real game came out.