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The thing that bugs me about the idea, though, is that it feels kind of nitpicky to even be troping "minor design differences." The two proposed examples sound pretty trivial (and there are cases where I could easily see this overlapping with two works just having different art styles.)
Goku Black
Vigilante Man Eater maybe ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
pragmatic scientist
Bugging the Trope Finder yelded no results so maybe somebody here will catch on.
Standard Song Template - possibly an Omnipresent Trope about mainstream song composition being mostly:
1st verse, chorus, 2nd verse, chorus, bridge, chorus
As it's overly used, the page would contain only aversions and subversions (which are mostly indie music and video game soundtracks).
Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.
Note this Wikipedia page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verse-chorus_form
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Angry babby
Are you including instrumental soundtracks here? Because I don't think those are held to the same structure as songs. Especially in video games where the music is likely to loop infinitely.
I think it's more along the lines of popular music, not instrumentals. There's a noticeable structure to a lot of songs, but troping the exact verse->chorus->verse->chorus->bridge/middle eight->chorus sounds arbitrary.
pragmatic scientist
The link doesn't work. Something about invalid UTF-8 sentence.
That difference between songs and instrumental music was mostly what I had in mind. It's not that much about actual singing as about the music consisting of parts that repeat in certain usual order. Naturally instrumental soundtracks mostly avert this.
- Fixed. Did you find the page yourself, though?
Otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verse-chorus_form
pragmatic scientist
I did butnote thanks anyway.
How about this? Surprise Boss - not really a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere but is still unexpected. Might even be a Degraded Boss.
Example: Unreal: Temple of Vandora features an unexpected Titan at the end of the level. The monster is part of the native wildlife and you fought one before so it's not a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere. Still comes off as unexpected because it inexplicably appears in a place you've seen before and it wasn't there at the time.
Edited by sohibil on Feb 27th 2021 at 4:53:49 PM
Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.
^ - Yeah. Surprise Boss sounds good, like Surprise Vehicle... We have the Surprise Index... where's that trope about enemies getting into locked rooms without explanation? Villain Teleportation??
OffscreenTeleportation.Video Games does have: "Splicers will suddenly appear in areas that had been cleared out minutes before, even if that area was a dead end that should have required passing you to reach."
Edited by Malady on Feb 27th 2021 at 11:22:12 AM
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Angry babby
Idea I've had for a while, inspired by this draft but I think it could be distinct: when people try to pronounce an acronym not meant to be pronounced. For example, there's the page quote for that draft from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs where Flint tries to pronounce "FLDSMDFR," but not all examples would overlap with awkward acronyms. One example that you may recognize is the "prindle" gag from The Suite Life of Zack & Cody.
Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 27th 2021 at 11:59:49 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Otaku
Vilified by History
Definition: A work that was once popular when it came out, but has become extremely unpopular as time goes on.
What do you like the trope? I've been looking for a trope that was an inverse of Vindicated by History, but not covered by Seinfeld Is Unfunny.
I was about to say Deader Than Disco, but that trope is ridiculously misused, so.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
Still, the idea is covered by Deader Than Disco, or whatever TRS ends up renaming that trope.
The rename crowner here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1613181960019228900&page=5#105 might be of interest to you. No "Vilified", though.
I am now a shiny stone~
Did a cursory search today, was unable to find a trope concerning dressing as a present for your loved ones. Hit up the tropefinder, no replies yet. Got some notes of what I have in mind:
It's a time to celebrate and give Bob a present. Perhaps it's his birthday, or Christmas, or it's an anniversary of some kind.
Whatever the reason, Alice has gotten it into her head to make herself the present, and she even dresses the part.
There's more than one way for someone to make themselves a present, which can either be played for comedy, fanservice, or a mixture thereof:
- In less saucy presentations, expect Alice to get an amusingly oversized parcel and climb into it, waiting for Bob to open it to give him a surprise. She might put an inviting note on the box. In more comedic works, this might result in a Gift Shake that rattles poor Alice and spoils the moment.
- If Alice is planning to outright seduce Bob, she might either wear a small, vaguely dress- or swimsuit-sized parcel, or eschew the box entirely and just wear a ribbon, with the bow strategically placed. She can be expected to invite Bob to 'unwrap his present'. In Distaff Counterpart examples, Bob might have the ribbon placed in a lower, more tactical position for Alice to unwrap.
While this usually ends up resulting in a successful seduction, sometimes immutable law of Comedy will ensure that Hilarity Ensues before things get too spicy for TV, like a Moment Killer popping into the scene and embarassing Alice with some loud remarks. In some tragic cases, the wrong person walks in on Alice and she ends up humiliated or embarassed to be seen doing this by someone else besides Bob.
Amongst the main users of this trope include seductresses attempting to steal a man's heart, girls trying hard to get their men to notice them as women, Sickeningly Sweethearts and Insatiable Newlyweds adding some additional spice to their bedroom lives, and married women trying to rekindle the embers of passion with their husbands. In some cases, it's a matter of fantasizing about the person of your dreams trying to seduce you in this fashion, which can be a common thing amongst horny teenagers.
While this involves wearing something in fashion like the Bankruptcy Barrel, this is not done out of poverty. Unlike the standard Girl In A Box, this is all about making yourself into a present for your loved one.
Manga example:
- I''s volume 4 has Ichitaka fantasizing about having Iori becoming his birthday present while dressed in naught but a ribbon and a smile.
Literature example:
- Van Holt's Riding for Revenge features a painting of a woman invoking this trope, "wearing nothing but a ribbon wound about her in several places."
Real Life Example:
- Morris Costume makes a Naughty Knot Gift Wrap Body Bow Costume to pull this very trope off.
Known (sub-)categories for trope: Fanservice, Stripperiffic, Gift Tropes, Clothing or Costume tropes, Sex or Romance tropes, Comedy tropes (when Hilarity Ensues only).
Known other (nonspecific) examples: Commonly seen in explicit ero-fiction and ero-comics where sex then ensues after a successful seduction.
Do I have enough material tentatively for a Launcher?
Edited by AceOfScarabs on Feb 28th 2021 at 8:47:36 PM
The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!
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I can't believe we don't yet have that trope.
Very Spooky
Here's two ideas I've been considering:
- Speedy Sequel: A work's sequel is released shortly after the original work (such as in less than a year). Two instances of this that I can think of are Back to the Future Part II + Back to the Future Part III (6 months) and Breakin' and Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo (7 months).
- A character who is a genuinely good person morally, but ends up being unintentionally annoying to other characters.
Could Bonding over Missing Parents have a sister trope in Bonding Over Missing Lovers?
sold my car for candy
Definitely, that's a good idea .
^^^^ - I wonder what relation to Giant Waist Ribbon...
Also Pets as a Present.
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I am now a shiny stone~
@Malady: Giant Waist Ribbon has more in common with fashion tropes, apart from the 'stereotype' of the ribbon part of the obi being worn in front to imply 'woman of negotiable affection'.
Pets as a Present is related to the first part of the proposed trope, only the animal invokes it by getting a box themselves and offering themselves up to their prospective adopter.
Add: I am 100% certain there are a few Looney Tunes shorts that have one of the kitten characters trying this proposed trope to get herself adopted, only to fail at it repeatedly, but for the life of me I cannot recall the exact title of it.
Edited by AceOfScarabs on Mar 2nd 2021 at 1:08:23 AM
The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!
Veteran Editor IV
Speedy Sequel may work as a trivia and opposite of Sequel Gap, but hard to say what time periods should be (less than a year does seem like a minimum). Five Nights at Freddy's 2 released in a little over three months after Five Nights at Freddy's. I have no ideas for the second proposed trope, but it may work.
Thoughts on a "Swung Too Hard" trope (a kid on the swing says "more!" or "higher!", and the puller pulls too hard and sends them to the sky)? Any examples? I know The Adventures of Willy Beamish and Calvin and Hobbes had it (though Calvin stopped it).
Edited by Piterpicher on Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:46:32 PM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
Sorta like breaking the Strength Test machine?
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Could be worse
I couldn't find whether the following already exists an whether it would be a valid trope or just a Stock Shout-Out.
During a musical number, the singer is bragging about themselves. There will be a short moment where their minions/followers/friends will start an Irish jig kick-line as made famous by Riverdance. Bonus points if the It's All About Me person strikes a Michael Flatly pose.
I noticed that in all samples the singer is an self-absorbed >bleep< and the kick line is clearly added to imply how cool they are. This makes me feel it's more than a simple shout out, but a trope in its own right: River Prancing.
Samples I found are:
- Kuzco and his guards in the opening of The Emperor's New Groove
- Monsieur Hood and 'is Merry Men in Shrek.
- Roland trying to convince Marianne that he's a catch during the Spring Ball in Strange Magic
