Hindsight Cleanup

Casting Gag feels more apt.

Wouldn't it still be in hindsight in regards to pilot?

I thought it was too intentional to be Hindsight (the reason he makes the joke is likely the same reason they cast someone who played that role), but I suppose it can still be valid if that's not as clear.

I mean that's the point, the recast was intentional, but that happened 3 years after the Pilot when it was still a fan project with uncertain future. If the reference was made with Amir Talai in mind, it wouldn't be in hindsight.

It’s not just that line. As the example mentioned, Alastor in general was inspired by Healy.

Found this at The Presidents of the United States of America:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • In 2023, another song called "Peaches" got quite popular.

Isn't this just a song with the same title as another song was released? I don't see any connection between the movie and the band other than two songs with the same title.

This is Similarly Named Works at most, definitely not Hilarious in Hindsight because it doesn't make the original song funnier.

Yeah, and Justin Bieber also had a popular song named Peaches which came out before the Mario Movie as well, so it's just a case of songs with similar titles, no one will get confused between these 3 songs.

Edited by BocchiTheRock on Feb 16th 2024 at 3:23:44 PM

I feel like, the two Harsher in Hindsight examples in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II are just shoehorning very recent and ongoing (both of them were added in November 2023) political drama/events in USA. Can I cut them?

Take the heavy flamer to both of them.

Edited by HashiriyaR32 on Feb 18th 2024 at 1:02:04 PM

I Wani Hug that Gator!:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: The "Just a week away!" meme, given that on February 7, 2024, the February 14 release date was announced.

I added this, does it count?

Snippety snip

Edited by randomtroper89 on Feb 23rd 2024 at 12:09:06 PM

Looking at the page, it looks like an Ascended Meme, so it feels too deliberate to be hindsight.

Any Sonic the Hedgehog fans here?

• Sonic the Hedgehog 2:
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: It looks like it says Sonic F on the side of the Tornado, doesn't it?
    '''Kinda?◊ Not really sure if there is a significant connection here.

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • One fan, as part of a series of classic zone remixes inspired by Sonic the Hedgehog CD's past/present/future renditions, did a past version of Launch Base which was a remix of the track from the Sonic & Knuckles Collection port. A year later, it was revealed in a prototype for Sonic 3 that this was actually an unused track for the zone before being replaced, which makes the aforementioned fan remix very appropriate as the track is literally from the game's past.
  • Every fanmade Mega Drive/Genesis rearrangement of the tracks from the Sonic & Knuckles Collection done prior to the revelation have become this in light of a prototype revealing that they were originally intended to be in the original Mega Drive/Genesis game prior to getting scrapped.
  • A prototype for the game contains a couple of experimental moves for Sonic such as ring-tossing and a primitive version of what players eventually came to know as the Drop Dash.
  • The developers decided against implementing proper Knuckles playability when locked onto Sonic the Hedgehog 1 because they believed fans wouldn't enjoy trekking the more linear level structure with his mechanics. In later years, Game Mods inserting Knuckles (and multiple other characters) into Sonic 1 became a reality due to fans. Amusingly, Stealth, the person responsible for the first proper Knuckles in Sonic 1 hack, also worked on the 2013 mobile port of Sonic 1, which officially adds him and Tails as playable characters.

Unsure about the four entries above, as they are only troping What Could Have Been.

• Crustle from Pokémon resembles the exploding Iwamodoki badnik in Lava Reef Zone. While a hermit crab monster isn't uncommon, what clinches the connection is that both use prism-shaped rocks as shells.

These characters◊ may be based on the same concept, but they look very different, so I'm not sure

• By locking on a Sonic 2 cartridge with Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic 2 turns into Knuckles the Echidna in Sonic the Hedgehog 2. In the film canon, Knuckles makes his debut in the second film.

A bit of a stretch?

Here's my take on these entries per game:

• Sonic 1: Remove all but the about the japanese commercial and the Death Egg.
• Sonic 2: Remove the entry
• Sonic 3: Keep the prototype entries, cut the rest.

I would agree with what was said. If you want my answer the rest should be cut but the ones that best fit in the page should stay.

From YMMV.Oz The Great And Powerful:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • In the That '70s Show episode "Tornado Prom," Mila Kunis's character Jackie played Dorothy in a Wizard of Oz-themed daydream. In the dream, Donna was mortally offended that Jackie imagined her as the Wicked Witch of the West. In Oz the Great and Powerful, Jackie is the Wicked Witch of the West.
  • There's a lot of parallels to Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland (2010): both are big-budget 3-D Disney movies about people who go to a fantasy land that was All Just a Dream in their respective original movies, discover they're prophesied — by name — to save the land from a pair of warring, psychotic sisters, but the Big Good on their side is forbidden to kill, and the Big Bad(s) are exiled in the end.
  • The scene where China Girl cries and begs for Oz to let her come with him on his adventure is even funnier after knowing Robert Downey Jr. was the first choice to play Oz, as Iron Man 3 has a similar scene where Tony responds by mocking the crying kid instead.
  • This isn't the first time James Franco has his life made difficult by a green, flying, cackling person who has pointy ears and nose and likes to attack throwing orange orbs. And, for added points, both films had the same director.
  • Speaking of, as Spill.com illustrated in the animated opening of their review, Oz the Great and Powerful can also be seen as a Spiritual Successor to Army of Darkness since both films are about a guy finding himself in another world, being seen as a prophecy Chosen One who decides to help the inhabitants of the land fend off the villains (who he enraged) with what he knows. It's even got a Bruce Campbell cameo!

Most of these don't seem like Hindsight to me.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 22nd 2024 at 5:39:42 AM

The ones for That '70s Show and the Spider-Man Trilogy could be hindsight, but for those works instead. The others don't sound valid.

I think the That '70s Show is legit. The others are bad; even the Spider-Man one feels like a stretch to me.

I deleted these from YMMV.Helldivers, as I recall cleanups saying the moment making it Harsher must be ongoing.

• Harsher in Hindsight
  • In Helldiver 2, which came out on February of 2024, the terminids have broken out of factory-farms established on their own home planets by humanity, causing Super Earth to indiscriminately bomb the entire species, this just so happens to be a popular interpretation of the 2023-2024 Israel-Palestine conflict in Gaza.
    • Does not help that the terminids are used to harvest a source of oil for Super Earth.
  • In the first game, Super Earth declares war on the Cyborgs/Automatons because of a terrorist attack which killed thousands of civilians... according to Super Earth. Story bits through the game suggests the attack only killed like 8 civilians, was not caused by anyone affiliated with the Cyborg nation and even implied to have been an inside job for the sake of having a war. Any citizen on the internet qestioning the official story is put down as a "Cyborg sympathizer" or "Hippie" and a politician openly boasts his desire to have any such citizen executed. Harkening back to conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 and... a second, popular interpretation of the 2023-2024 Israel-Palestine "War" in Gaza.
    • The Illuminate have also been targetted by Super Earth because, officially, they have a powerful nano-fusion device that could generate enough power destroy a planet easily. In other words, a Weapon of Mass Destruction. They did not, Super Earth simply felt threatened by a species they were forced to accept as intellectual equals. This sort of "War on terror" politics and deception is the clear focus of the games satire but has been brought up into public conciousness yet again.... due to popular interpretations of the 2023-2024 Israel-Palestine "War" in Gaza.

Also, it seems the in-work things are too broad to single out that as the thing making it so.

Any second thoughts?

Those examples just feel like shoehorning since they don't seem particularly related to said conflict. That plus ROCEJ and I think they deserve to stay cut.

Clone High S1E09 "Raisin the Stakes: A Rock Opera in Three Acts"

• Hilarious in Hindsight
  • A small, magical creature who takes our human hero on an epic quest to find a princess, only to shock him by revealing herself to be said (humanoid) princess in disguise the whole time. Are we talking about Geldamore or Midna?
  • Principal Scudworth's obsession with building a wa- er, fence.

I'm not sure about the first one (I suspect it's Fan Myopia but I'd assume the Zelda example is more likely to be known than the Clone High one) but the second one feels like a Trump shoehorn, since that whole fence thing was a parody of dictator tropes that aren't Trump-exclusive.

What even are those entries. Please cut.

First one is clear Fan Myopia. I feel like I can't give input on the Trump one, since I haven't seen the episode.

Re: Galko-chan

Okay, here's my Galko/Harsher rewrite:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The series' premise of adolescence sexuality - with the cast consisting of underage, (mostly) female characters talking about sex, periods, and other bodily functions - becomes significantly more difficult to watch when, on December 20, 2021, author Kenya Suzuki was arrested for suspicion of possessing child pornography that he imported from Germany, prompting the manga to get axed. Other factors, like Galko interacting with prepubescent boys and the pin-up chapter inserts featuring said female cast, also contributed to this.

x3 Been a while since I've seen that episode but comparing Scudworth to Trump makes no sense. A wall was built, but any similarities are superficial.

Protip; Hindsight entries that describe a couple of similarities and then ask "Are we talking about [work the example is on] or [work the example links to]?" are usually cases of Fan Myopia, especially when there's potholes involved for the latter work.