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It appears that many Nightmare Fuel pages have problems, including:
1. Listing non-scary things that made the viewer feel slightly uncomfortable at worst.
2. Having spoiler tags on them (which is against the page's guidelines).
3. Listing Fridge Horror and fan theories.
And much more!
On a few occasions, people from outside the site's community have pointed out our overly lax usage of Nightmare Fuel to make fun of us, meaning that it can legitimately harm our reputation to let this go unchecked.
The TRS thread meant for redefining Nightmare Fuel started to become a place for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages in general, so we may as well move these discussions to Long Term Projects where they belong.
Here are the guidelines to determine whether something is Nightmare Fuel or not.
- This is a page whose name is intended to be taken more literally than most. It's not enough for material to be scary; to truly qualify, it has to be frightening enough to legitimately unnerve/disturb the viewer, with actually being nightmare-inducing as the ultimate endpoint.
- Good signs that something IS Nightmare Fuel include if:
- It left you feeling shaken even after the credits had rolled, you turned the last page, or are otherwise done with the work.
- You have a hard time falling asleep if you think about it at night, or have a literal nightmare about it.
- You dread that episode, scene, level, chapter, or song during re-watches, and consider skipping it.
- With that said, don't add something just because it happens to be your personal phobia. For example, spiders can be scary and many people have arachnophobia, but just because a spider happens to be in the work, it does not make a Nightmare Fuel entry. It needs to reasonably be scary to someone without the phobia.
- Don't confuse tension with fear. If the hero is in trouble, but you know he'll make it out okay at the end, it's probably not Nightmare Fuel unless the threat is especially disturbing.
- Good signs that something IS Nightmare Fuel include if:
- Explain WHY the entry scared you. Try to convey your sense of fear to your readers. Avoid putting up Zero-Context Examples.
- Remember that Weblinks Are Not Examples, and neither are quotes on their own. You should explain the horror in your own words, rather than rely on others to do so.
- Don't add things that might have scared someone. If it didn't scare you, and you don't personally know anyone else who was scared, you shouldn't be adding it to Nightmare Fuel.
- Nightmare Fuel should stick to you even after you're done with the work.
- If something is initially presented as scary but turns out to be harmless, it's most likely not Nightmare Fuel since The Reveal makes the scariness vanish.
- Jump Scares are a good source of Nightmare Fuel, but not all of them automatically qualify: being startled is not the same as being scared.
- Hypotheticals are not Nightmare Fuel:
- Remember that Trailers Always Lie: a scene that is presented as scary in the trailer could very well turn out to be inoffensive in the finished work. Only add examples from unreleased works if they were especially terrifying in the previews.
- Fan theories do not belong on the Nightmare Fuel page under any circumstance. No matter how much evidence they have to support them, don't add them until they've been officially confirmed. In the meanwhile, take them to Wild Mass Guessing.
- Fridge Horror goes on the Fridge page, not Nightmare Fuel. Don't add it unless it's Ascended Fridge Horror.
- Keep in mind the work's intended audience when considering whether or not something is Nightmare Fuel.
- If something is normal or expected in the genre, it does not automatically qualify. Violence in a Fighting Series or gore in a horror movie must be especially disturbing or gruesome by the work's standards to be Nightmare Fuel.
- Remember that Kids Shouldn't Watch Horror Films. If a work is rated PG-13 or higher but would only be scary to young children, it's not Nightmare Fuel.
- The standards on what qualifies as Nightmare Fuel are especially stringent on works aimed at children and pre-teens: kids have hyperactive imaginations, so even something benign can give them nightmares.
- Spoiler tags do not belong on Nightmare Fuel pages. Much of what scares us comes from inherently spoilery stuff such as death and the unknown, so finding spoilers on these pages should be expected.
- Nightmare Fuel is an Audience Reaction, so it needs to be scary for the audience. Describing how the characters react to something scary isn't needed. Just because something scares them, that doesn't mean it scares us as well.
- Nightmare Fuel is a No Real Life Examples, Please! page. Meta-examples involving the actors, production, or behind-the-scenes incidents are not allowed.
Guidelines when proposing cleanup of a page:
- Some rules are pretty objective. If you see a Zero-Context Example, Fridge Horror, Real Life example, speculation, In-Universe reaction that isn't scary to the viewers, examples that explicitly describe themselves as not being very scary (including "mildly creepy", "somewhat unnerving", and other synonymous phrases), or examples that are just scene summaries without going into detail about why it's so scary, you can (and should) remove them immediately without coming here to ask.
- You should also strip all spoiler tags from the page. Itty Bitty Wiki Tools has a tool for that, but it can cause problems, so if you use it be sure to preview the page and thoroughly look it over.
- Once you've fixed the objective issues with the page, bring it here so we can look at the more subjective problems, such as examples that may not be scary enough to qualify. If a consensus is reached that a certain entry does not qualify, it can be removed.
Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 1st 2020 at 9:40:30 AM
I’m planning on making a page called The Wacky World Of Tex Avery here are some examples I’m including on that page, be sure to go over them;
Despite the show being notorious among many animation fans, the show can still manage to stumble into creepy territory every now and then that it can make the real Tex Avery's cartoons look tame in comparison.
- The Tex Avery short "The Texorcist", where Sid believes that he killed Tex and Tex starts haunting Sid while as a zombie and ghost, until it’s revealed that Tex Avery wasn’t dead all along and was just messing with Sid.
- The infamous scene where Dan fakes an injury by squirting a bottle of ketchup making it look like blood from the Pompeii Pete short "The Dis-Orderly".
- And the scene where it looks like Pete is going to murder Dan with a chainsaw during operation.
- Mooch getting blown up into a skeleton by Maurice's battleship bath tub from "Babysitter Jitters".
- The Freddy the Fly short "Tell-Tale Fly" where Amanda believes that she finally killed Freddy and believes that Freddy is haunting her, but it turns out that Freddy is still alive and is stuck inside Amanda's head.
- On the first ever Genghis and Khannie short, Genghis gets killed by a giant cannon and his soul descends to Heaven, Genghis reliefs that Cats Have Nine Lives but it turns out that all of his previous lives are up there too, much to his dismay. And we never know how his previous lives got up there.
- Tex Avery setting fire in a bear's stomach and blowing it up with gasoline on "Bottleneck Bear".
- Pompeii Pete shaving Dan's chest with a tomato dicer on "Stup De Jour".
- Tex killing himself and Sid during an Imagine Spot as elderly people on "Tex Babies", they even still fought while as skeletons.
- Dan getting his head mounted on the wall by an albino tiger on "Gunga Dan".
- Maurice turning Mooch into a Frankenstein like monster in "Yes, We Have No Electricity".
- Amanda's head turning into a fly's head on "Bored of the Flies".
- On "Cabin Fever" after Breezy the Snowguy's nose gets eaten by Sagebrush Sid after removing his hat, Tex puts the hat on Breezy and Breezy comes back to life and starts violently attacking Sid for stealing his nose.
- The ending to the Pompeii Pete short "Count Danula" where it is revealed that Pompeii Pete is a vampire and laughs evilly to the audience during the Iris Out.
- On the Genghis and Khannie short "Courting Disasters", the episode ends with Genghis getting decapitated and telling the viewers that he's fine and then he removes his head after that.
- Maurice's parents revealed as skeletons on "Time Flies, Chickens Don’t".
- Freddy sending Amanda to hell to get turned into a cake on "Cake Me a Bake".
- A vulture trying to kill Tex just so he can eat him on "Water You Gonna Do?".
- The Pompeii Pete short "Quiet Please" has Pompeii Pete killing a mouse with a cannon.
- The Freddy the Fly short "Bug to the Future" where Freddy gets frozen for over 4000 years and gets thawed out in the future.
- Sagebrush Sid getting split in half by his axe on "Up a Tree Without a Paddle".
- Dan's facial skin cracking exposing his flesh then bones after getting hit by a coconut on "Plane Trouble".
- The ending to "The Stepford Chickens" where Mooch gets Eaten Alive by chickens.
- Tex and Burrito getting chased by a crazy homicidal blacksmith on "Virtual Tex".
- Genghis getting eaten by an anaconda on "Pain in the Rainforest".
- The ending to "Mile High Fly" where flies now become the dominant species on Earth while humans are now treated as pests.
- Power Pooch about to get neutered on "Doggie Pound".
For The Pink Panther
- Extinct Pink - The entire soundtrack is very creepy and unnerving, especially when the little white man (as a caveman) and a smaller dinosaur encounter a giant dinosaur, the ending music with the Pink Panther, little white man, small dinosaur, and giant dinosaur walking up a hill sadly sounds a lot like Death March music. Fortunately, some Nightmare Retardant comes in once they run away from a boulder rolling towards them.
Most of those are scene summaries, and don't exactly describe what's scary. They sound like they have potential to be Nightmare Fuel, but your descriptions don't communicate that.
The things in my dreams wish they could chase me!Can you show me how to add in potential to those scenes?
What you want to do is focus on the emotions the scene evoke and what's scary about them. Don't exaggerate, but do focus on the scary aspects of the scenes, rather than just explain what happens.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAnd don't use many italics.
"Unite GUN/BAZOOKA/LAUNCHER/TANK!"Found on NightmareFuel.Snopes:
- Who Watches the Watchmen?: Snopes checks what's true and what isn't. But who checks the checkers?
Now, everything else on the page is very general and lacking in context. But this specific example looks like it's less about being scary, and more criticizing the site itself and accusing it of being unreliable.
Sounds like very stretched Fridge Horror.
Criticism of Snopes has its place, and a Nightmare Fuel page is not it.
Yeah that's just stealth complaining. Cut.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallThe rest of the page ain't great either, just a couple of examples saying "this section of the site is particularly creepy" without explaining why (well, the second one tries, but MIDI files and dripping blood font are far from nightmare-inducing) or even giving specific examples. Should we cut it?
Yeah I am not seeing anything worth saving. I think you can cut.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallActually, let me see if I can add some context.
Oh alright, if you can add context don't cut.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI didn't get any feedback last time, so any thoughts on my Brawl in the Family review?
(Don't) take me home.The only truly scary parts of the comic are The Legion and maybe the first part of Zombies. Rest are played for comedy.
Agreed. I mainly just considered the Phantoon example valid due to my fear of Eye Scream.
(Don't) take me home.Hello. I have edited a few examples for RWBY's nightmare fuel, I would like to add them if they're judged to be fitting, or for a moderator to do it if the administrative lock isn't lifted.
A Night Off
- Tyrian's gleeful massacre of the citizens at Robyn's political rally, after Watts cuts off the lights he Tyrian begins his slaugther we are treated to a fightening view as everyone else is too slow or weak to react in time, with only Penny's frame-up and corpses littering the floor once the lights come back.
Gravity
- Ironwood gets his arm trapped in a Hard Light barrier by Watts, and when he tries to pull it out, the skin sizzles and burns clean off. Ironwood pulls the entire arm through the barrier, besides the Body Horror of his flayed arm this fight shows Ironwood's unnverving determination.
- During the entire volume there has been evidence of the flaws with Ironwood's views about Mantle and his trauma over the fall of Beacon, this episode brings both tendencies to a head. When he finds a glass queen left by Cinder on his desk his paranoia goes into overdrive, which is compounded by the secrets held by his allies into the decision to effectively leave Mantle for dead and launching Atlas into the upper atmosphere
- As soon as Salem appears from the Seer's remnants she shows that a good dose of Break Them by Talking can be as devastating as the Grimm she commands. First by further cementing Ironwood's paranoia , then by driving Ruby to tears with a reminder of Summer Rose's death as the girl tries answer back. Salem's words are so effective that Ruby is unable to use her silver eyes.
With Friends Like These
- Besides a small amount of reluctance from Marrow; all of the atlesian military ,and the ace ops in particular, are perfectly willing to turn on their former allies as soon as the order is given, going straight into combat once the order to arrest team RWBY and their allies is given.
- Cinder's entrance to the Winter Maiden's bedroom, with the lightning and sound framing her as something that crawled out of a slasher film before she throws a fireball at Winter.
The Enemy of Trust
- The last time we saw Cinder's Grimm arm, it ended at the middle of her left bicep. Now it has evolved to Body Horror at its finest, the arm has grown all the way up to her shoulder and exposed all the muscles in it. And once Winter cuts it off, Cinder wails in shock....then starts screaming and flailing while a new arm quickly and painfully emerges from the stump, all on its own.
- Salem arriving amidst a storm she conjured with a fleet of flying Beringels and a flying whale Grimm the size of Atlas itself. Qrow was not kidding when he said that Salem would not be worried about the Atlesians' "little ships"....they have no chance against her Grimm, and they never did.
Those do read a little less scene-summary-ish to me, but the grammar seems spotty. Try running them through this thread first.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessOkay, the RWBY examples (note, in addition to the below, I'll make the same observation about spelling and grammar as the poster above):
A Night Off
- Can you change the 'we' language? The easiest thing to do is switch 'we' to 'the audience'. Keep but tweak.
Gravity
- This isn't coming across as a Nightmare Fuel entry or an audience reaction. It's bordering on being a Determinator example instead. I'd suggest rewriting this slightly to focus on explaining why the arm looks like Body Horror. At the moment, you mention that it is without explaining it. How would you explain that arm to someone who hasn't seen the episode? Keep but tweak.
- Ironwood's reaction to the chess piece on his desk really isn't a valid example, and what you've written here is just a summary of Ironwood's role in the episode. Not valid.
- Salem's appearance and actions: this is just a scene summary, which isn't valid. Not valid as written. But there is an example here given that Salem's manifestation is almost identical to Emerald's illusion in Volume 5, and Emerald's illusion is already on the NF page. Rewrite.
With Friends Like These
- Atlesian military obeying their commander to turn on the heroes when ordered: this is a scene summary and not valid.
- Cinder: You've got the basis for an example here, but you're a bit ZCE. Explain what the lighting and sound framing is doing to make it seem like a slasher film. There's a lot you can do here because of the way Cinder is framed in the corridor and as she enters the room. Rewrite to keep.
The Enemy of Trust
- Cinder's arm: this is written as a scene summary as current. You're right on the verge of an entry here, you just need tweak it to include an observation about how this arm's appearance and Cinder's screaming agony makes the audience feel as they watch it. Keep but tweak.
- You're doing a scene summary of a cliffhanger, using anticipation language. I'm going to ask the thread for other opinions on this one because it doesn't seem like an example as written. Not valid but second opinions wanted to confirm.
If you want me to help you with any of the rewrites (Salem's manifestation and Cinder's arrival at the Winter Maiden's chamber), I'm willing to do that.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 23rd 2020 at 1:44:51 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I got no feedback from anyone, so I'll ask, how did I do on my review of NightmareFuel.Bug Fables?
"Unite GUN/BAZOOKA/LAUNCHER/TANK!"I don't know the work, so I can only go on what the entries are telling me. I therefore can't tell you if there is a valid example behind them with a proper rewrite. I can only tell you if the current entry is a valid example.
- The Underground Tavern
- Scene summary. Cut.
- Scene summary. Cut.
- Giants
- Possible reason? Speculative Troping is an automatic cut.
- More speculative troping. Cut.
- Lesser bugs: Fridge Logic. Cut.
- The Beast: As written, this may be a keeper as most of the entry does seem to be from an audience perspective.
- Giant's lair: this is a wordy ZCE. It doesn't tell me why a dark and oppressive atmosphere is NF. It tells me the enemies are hideous, but doesn't explain how. And it then tells me to go and catch up on a completely different work to fully understand it. This is not a keeper as written. However, as you think there should be a legitimate example here, I'll go with what you're saying: I recommend rewriting this to fit NF requirements to show why it's NF.
- Okay, we're starting to get a description here. This is an indentation issue, however.
- This is Fridge Logic. Cut.
- Okay, we've got a description of why 'dark and oppressive' is NF.
- This seems part description, part Fridge.
- Okay, what I would suggest with this entry is combine everything into a single, rewritten example. The indentations all violate the rules on how to write examples, but they do provide the context that is needed to stop the original entry from being ZCE. If you rewrite everything here into a single entry, I think you'll have a valid example.
- Snakemouth lab: I don't fully understand the entry. I... think it's a keeper.
- Fridge. Cut.
- Fridge. Cut.
- Fridge. Cut.
- Forsaken Lands: Scene summary combined with melodramatic punctuation isn't a good look. It seems like a cut to me.
- Wasp King: This is a Big Bad example, not a NF one. Cut.
- This entry is a Brainwashed and Crazy example, not a NF one. Cut.
- This entry is a Villainous Breakdown entry. Cut.
- This entry is either a Dark and Troubled Past or Freudian Excuse entry, but it's not NF. Cut.
I think you did very well there.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 23rd 2020 at 2:10:58 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I don't mean to be rude, but I'd rather have someone who's actually played the game tell me how I did, but thanks for the input anyways!
Also, I think you meant Fridge Horror instead of Fridge Logic.
Edited by Spidey on Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:07:09 AM
"Unite GUN/BAZOOKA/LAUNCHER/TANK!"That's not rude. It's a sensible bar to aim for.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Since no one's posting anything, I'm going to do NightmareFuel.Bug Fables for this entry.
How'd I do?
Edited by Spidey on Nov 4th 2020 at 10:42:12 AM
"Unite GUN/BAZOOKA/LAUNCHER/TANK!"