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It appears that many Nightmare Fuel pages have problems, including:

1. Listing non-scary things that made the viewer feel slightly uncomfortable at worst.

2. Having spoiler tags on them (which is against the page's guidelines).

3. Listing Fridge Horror and fan theories.

And much more!

On a few occasions, people from outside the site's community have pointed out our overly lax usage of Nightmare Fuel to make fun of us, meaning that it can legitimately harm our reputation to let this go unchecked.

The TRS thread meant for redefining Nightmare Fuel started to become a place for cleaning up Nightmare Fuel pages in general, so we may as well move these discussions to Long Term Projects where they belong.

Here are the guidelines to determine whether something is Nightmare Fuel or not.

    Nightmare Fuel rules 
  • This is a page whose name is intended to be taken more literally than most. It's not enough for material to be scary; to truly qualify, it has to be frightening enough to legitimately unnerve/disturb the viewer, with actually being nightmare-inducing as the ultimate endpoint.
    • Good signs that something IS Nightmare Fuel include if:
      • It left you feeling shaken even after the credits had rolled, you turned the last page, or are otherwise done with the work.
      • You have a hard time falling asleep if you think about it at night, or have a literal nightmare about it.
      • You dread that episode, scene, level, chapter, or song during re-watches, and consider skipping it.
    • With that said, don't add something just because it happens to be your personal phobia. For example, spiders can be scary and many people have arachnophobia, but just because a spider happens to be in the work, it does not make a Nightmare Fuel entry. It needs to reasonably be scary to someone without the phobia.
    • Don't confuse tension with fear. If the hero is in trouble, but you know he'll make it out okay at the end, it's probably not Nightmare Fuel unless the threat is especially disturbing.
  • Explain WHY the entry scared you. Try to convey your sense of fear to your readers. Avoid putting up Zero-Context Examples.
    • Remember that Weblinks Are Not Examples, and neither are quotes on their own. You should explain the horror in your own words, rather than rely on others to do so.
  • Don't add things that might have scared someone. If it didn't scare you, and you don't personally know anyone else who was scared, you shouldn't be adding it to Nightmare Fuel.
  • Nightmare Fuel should stick to you even after you're done with the work.
    • If something is initially presented as scary but turns out to be harmless, it's most likely not Nightmare Fuel since The Reveal makes the scariness vanish.
    • Jump Scares are a good source of Nightmare Fuel, but not all of them automatically qualify: being startled is not the same as being scared.
  • Hypotheticals are not Nightmare Fuel:
    • Remember that Trailers Always Lie: a scene that is presented as scary in the trailer could very well turn out to be inoffensive in the finished work. Only add examples from unreleased works if they were especially terrifying in the previews.
    • Fan theories do not belong on the Nightmare Fuel page under any circumstance. No matter how much evidence they have to support them, don't add them until they've been officially confirmed. In the meanwhile, take them to Wild Mass Guessing.
    • Fridge Horror goes on the Fridge page, not Nightmare Fuel. Don't add it unless it's Ascended Fridge Horror.
  • Keep in mind the work's intended audience when considering whether or not something is Nightmare Fuel.
    • If something is normal or expected in the genre, it does not automatically qualify. Violence in a Fighting Series or gore in a horror movie must be especially disturbing or gruesome by the work's standards to be Nightmare Fuel.
    • Remember that Kids Shouldn't Watch Horror Films. If a work is rated PG-13 or higher but would only be scary to young children, it's not Nightmare Fuel.
    • The standards on what qualifies as Nightmare Fuel are especially stringent on works aimed at children and pre-teens: kids have hyperactive imaginations, so even something benign can give them nightmares.
  • Spoiler tags do not belong on Nightmare Fuel pages. Much of what scares us comes from inherently spoilery stuff such as death and the unknown, so finding spoilers on these pages should be expected.
  • Nightmare Fuel is an Audience Reaction, so it needs to be scary for the audience. Describing how the characters react to something scary isn't needed. Just because something scares them, that doesn't mean it scares us as well.
  • Nightmare Fuel is a No Real Life Examples, Please! page. Meta-examples involving the actors, production, or behind-the-scenes incidents are not allowed.

Guidelines when proposing cleanup of a page:

  • Some rules are pretty objective. If you see a Zero-Context Example, Fridge Horror, Real Life example, speculation, In-Universe reaction that isn't scary to the viewers, examples that explicitly describe themselves as not being very scary (including "mildly creepy", "somewhat unnerving", and other synonymous phrases), or examples that are just scene summaries without going into detail about why it's so scary, you can (and should) remove them immediately without coming here to ask.
  • You should also strip all spoiler tags from the page. Itty Bitty Wiki Tools has a tool for that, but it can cause problems, so if you use it be sure to preview the page and thoroughly look it over.
  • Once you've fixed the objective issues with the page, bring it here so we can look at the more subjective problems, such as examples that may not be scary enough to qualify. If a consensus is reached that a certain entry does not qualify, it can be removed.

Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 1st 2020 at 9:40:30 AM

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#3251: Oct 19th 2020 at 6:17:39 PM

Since no one's posting anything, I'm going to do NightmareFuel.Bug Fables for this entry.

    Bug Fables 
  • Lighter compared to other examples, but the Underground Tavern has a fair bit of this. Wh-what?! The Underground Tavern?! Are you serious?!?!
    • When you first approach the Underground Tavern's entrance, Vi tries to impress Kabbu and Leif by speaking the code to get them in, only to be informed her code is outdated. Vi, annoyed, threatens to tell everyone in town about the tavern if they don't let her in. The bouncer's calm reply? "Try it, Vi. You won't last a night after you do." She immediately shuts up. Doesn't help that you don't see said bouncer or know anything about this place until you unlock it later. Not scary. Cut.
    • When you finally do enter, you find it to be a relatively run-down bar. Shades pawns stolen medals (and implicitly other goods), unsavory types hang around, and the mere mention of the Queen is implied to be a very bad idea. While the place is perfectly safe for the players and even being the source of some sidequests, it very much feels like the characters are rubbing shoulders with criminals and undesirables of various kinds. Not that scary. Cut.
  • Here's some prime Paranoia Fuel: The Giants. They don't actually appear in the game itself, but some of the lore surrounding them in the game is definitely not for the faint of heart. Let's see here...
    • One possible reason they don't appear in Bugaria is because of the "Mother Crystal" deep in the Forsaken Lands. Although it does protect Bugaria from outside threats (humans included), one can only wonder what would happen if the protection from the crystal ran out... Fridge Horror. Cut.
    • Another less charitable interpretation is that a cataclysm occurred that wiped out humanity (or at least killed/forced evacuation of the humans in the immediate area) and gave bugs sentience, referred to as the "Day Of Reckoning" by the roaches. However, the book that mentions this also discusses "fires raining down from the sky and destroying the earth," but expeditions haven't found any evidence of that happening, meaning it could be either a case of Unreliable Narrator or a simple creation myth by the roaches. Still, there's no way to know for sure. Maybe?
  • The concept of lesser bugs; bugs that never developed the lifespans or intelligence of the main cast and thusly remain beasts of instinct. Just what form of natural selection resulted in these lesser bugs remaining the way they were and in some ways becoming worse? I don't think anyone would find that scary. Cut.
  • The Beast. Not only is this (rather large) centipede imposing to look at, it's enough to frighten Kabbu, on account of it eating his friends when he first went through its hunting grounds. Worse still, however, is the fact that it doesn't seem to be baring its fangs to look intimidating; it looks like its grinning, like it enjoys what it does. It brings to mind King Ghidorah in the way it acts; it may look like a mere beast, but it acts chillingly intelligent, and its expression is not one of animalistic fury, but rather vicious, cruel glee. Probably cut this one.
  • The Giant's Lair. Holy smokes. The entire area has a dark and oppressive atmosphere, and all of the Dead Lander enemies are hideous Bosses in Mook Clothing that wouldn't be out of place in Hollow Knight! THIS we can keep, there are a lot of reasons why I'm currently staying away from this place.
    • And the worst of it is the Dead Lander Omega (pictured). A terrifying, enormous beast with a single glowing eye, and bony arms that scout the area for prey, as in, you. And unfortunately, this thing isn't confined to the Lair: if you look at the nearby tall grass through the Eliascope, you can see its shadow skulking around. God only knows why it hasn't tried to attack Bugaria yet. This thing is a big reason why I stay away from that place. Keep.
    • Not to mention that Giant's Lair is just an ordinary house that must have been owned by some person, but it's completely abandoned, with the refrigerator left open. What could have happened to this person's house that made them just abandon it? Assuming of course that the Dead Landers showed up after they left, because if the human was still there when they (particularly the Dead Lander Omega) appeared, what happened probably wasn't pretty. Fridge Horror. Cut.
    • The music is just as nightmarish as the lair itself. The desolate piano and hellish droning perfectly compliment its haunting atmosphere, and yet there's still a sense of quiet tragedy to it that seems to reflect on the Lair's status as a normal house that was suddenly abandoned and left to rot. The music is also another reason why I stay away from this place. Keep.
    • Notably, Giant's Lair also puts into perspective of just how small the party truly is. Throughout the game, you encounter human objects that have bee repurposed into housing and transportation for the insects of the land. Cardboard boxes, soda cans, various household items being used as makeshift bridges and the like. Because of how these have been repurposed, it can be easy to forget their size relative to us. And then you enter the Giants Lair, where these objects are scattered about randomly in the disrepaired state the house is in. Combined with the zoomed out camera angles and the Dead Lander Omega, it finally reminds the player that despite all the amazing things the party can do... They are ultimately still just insects. Insects that could easily be stomped out by even a moderately sized animal. The only reason they don't end up crushed is that the Dead Lander Omega seems more content to just drop other, smaller Dead Landers on them for their own amusement. Fridge Horror? I honestly could go both ways with this one.
  • The lab beneath Snakemouth. Sweet Venus. The whole place is the site of incredibly inhumane experiments with cordyceps- yes, THAT cordyceps- by the roaches to try and circumvent the need for the Everlasting Sapling for immortality, and it went horribly, horribly wrong. Zommoth, the area boss, got the worst of it, its entire lower body becoming a snakelike tail and its whole face being consumed by a cordyceps stalk. There's barely anything left; just a shell of a moth reduced to a vicious beast. No wonder the roaches went missing... Keep. This place is pretty scary.
    • Want an extra dose? Leif (or rather the cordyceps creature that resurrected him) was regarded as a failure. What in the everlasting FUCK were they trying to do that a life form that effectively resurrected a fallen adventurer was seen as a failed experiment? And what would have happened had they succeeded?? Fridge Horror. Cut.
    • The roach scientists’ lust for power doesn’t stop there. A secret room in the lab suggests that they created Venus. You know, the being everyone reveres as a goddess. There are even two other screens hinting towards the existence of two other beings similar to Venus. And yet they still weren’t content with making three godlike beings (compared to bugs at least). Fridge Horror. Cut.
    • Then reading Zommoth's Beastiary entry reveals the Roaches created it for an immortal guardian, but they failed to predict being unable to control. All but directly confirming the Zommoth is responsible for the state of the lab. Fridge Horror, again. This lab seems to have been experimenting not only with cordyceps, but with Fridge Horror as well.
    • One of the rooms contains notes of one of the scientists mentioning they need to investigate a subject acting odd in the containment room. Across the water is a holding cell containing a Zombeetle who drops a lab card...and garbled notes saying they can't feel their legs, heavily implying the Zombeetle killed the scientist. Fridge Horror. Cut.
  • While traveling through the Forsaken Lands, Team Snakemouth can potentially come across a strange, little village. All the buildings are in ruins, it's inhabitants carry weirdly stiff smiles on their faces and, when you try to communicate with them, will only garble some indecipherable Black Speech. Team Snakemouth immediately feels uncomfortable there and even the Venus Bud stationed in the place's "Inn" admits the village is giving her the creeps. And with good reason. Upon trying to speak to the village's "king", said king reveals himself to be a cluster of sentient mothflies having merely disguised themselves as a bug. Upon defeating him, Team Snakemouth finds the place completely cleared out, with only the masks of the "villagers" left behind. Just what the hell was that about?? Not really that scary, the music doesn't even stop there.
  • The Wasp King, the Big Bad of the game, is a vicious sociopath who rules his kingdom with an iron fist, keeping citizens in poverty and jailing bugs for even the smallest offenses, and he seeks to find the Everlasting Sapling to gain its powers to take over Bugaria and rule it as immortal tyrant. He is also immensely powerful, wielding an axe and possessing flame magic that could easily incinerate a defenseless bug, and he came dangerously close to doing this with Team Snakemouth during their first encounter. If not for Queen Vanessa's Flame Brooch protecting Team Snakemouth from his flames in the latest encounter, he would've been practically undefeatable. Maybe? I'm leaning towards cutting this one.
    • It's also revealed that the reason wasps are so loyal to him is because they were actually brainwashed into servitude, and are completely unable to disobey his orders, even willing to die if their cruel king says so. And when Team Snakemouth defeats General Ultimax at the end of Chapter 6, he still refuses to give up despite being utterly fearful for his dear life, even shouting that they have to crush his body if they want to get through. At this moment it was clear that it was Wasp King's hypnosis talking through Ultimax, overriding even his own sense of self-preservation. Once the wasps are freed, they end up being very remorseful for what they have done under Wasp King's control. Not that scary. Cut.
    • When the Wasp King finally finds and unlocks the Sapling, he discovers that it was wilted due to the lack of exposure to sunlight. Angered, he immediately devours one of its leaves, morphing into the Everlasting King. After being defeated by Team Snakemouth, he still refuses to admit defeat, and just loses it, trying to form the hugest Fireball possible, only to lose control of his powers and turning into an inanimate tree. In the Playable Epilogue, however, the team ponders with the Roach Village Elder that, had the Sapling, or the Everlasting King, been exposed to the sun, he would've never lost control of his powers and would be truly immortal and all-powerful. Fridge Horror. Cut.
    • His backstory is definitely not a happy one. Ever since he was a baby, he was abandoned by his parents in the Dead Lands, and was forced to grow up and survive against the vicious Dead Landers completely alone. Eventually, he managed to survive, and came across Bugaria, finding himself in the Wasp Kingdom. But instead of finding love and friendship, he became nothing more but friendless, neglected and disrespected trash collector. Ultimately, he abandoned the kingdom, and nobody cared… until he found the Ancient Crown that allowed him to brainwash almost every wasp in the kingdom, his newfound power twisting him into control-obsessed and power-hungry monster he is today. More sad than anything else. Cut.
  • The fact that Mothiva is so petty that she is willing to endanger all of Bugaria via trying to fight Team Snakemouth in the Termite Coliseum which could have ruined everything that the team and Queen Elizant worked towards. Fridge Horror, and even then, it's not that scary, it only makes hate her even more. Cut.

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Edited by Spidey on Nov 4th 2020 at 10:42:12 AM

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#3252: Oct 19th 2020 at 9:56:53 PM

I’m planning on making a page called The Wacky World Of Tex Avery here are some examples I’m including on that page, be sure to go over them;

Despite the show being notorious among many animation fans, the show can still manage to stumble into creepy territory every now and then that it can make the real Tex Avery's cartoons look tame in comparison.


  • The Tex Avery short "The Texorcist", where Sid believes that he killed Tex and Tex starts haunting Sid while as a zombie and ghost, until it’s revealed that Tex Avery wasn’t dead all along and was just messing with Sid.
  • The infamous scene where Dan fakes an injury by squirting a bottle of ketchup making it look like blood from the Pompeii Pete short "The Dis-Orderly".
    • And the scene where it looks like Pete is going to murder Dan with a chainsaw during operation.
  • Mooch getting blown up into a skeleton by Maurice's battleship bath tub from "Babysitter Jitters".
  • The Freddy the Fly short "Tell-Tale Fly" where Amanda believes that she finally killed Freddy and believes that Freddy is haunting her, but it turns out that Freddy is still alive and is stuck inside Amanda's head.
  • On the first ever Genghis and Khannie short, Genghis gets killed by a giant cannon and his soul descends to Heaven, Genghis reliefs that Cats Have Nine Lives but it turns out that all of his previous lives are up there too, much to his dismay. And we never know how his previous lives got up there.
  • Tex Avery setting fire in a bear's stomach and blowing it up with gasoline on "Bottleneck Bear".
  • Pompeii Pete shaving Dan's chest with a tomato dicer on "Stup De Jour".
  • Tex killing himself and Sid during an Imagine Spot as elderly people on "Tex Babies", they even still fought while as skeletons.
  • Dan getting his head mounted on the wall by an albino tiger on "Gunga Dan".
  • Maurice turning Mooch into a Frankenstein like monster in "Yes, We Have No Electricity".
  • Amanda's head turning into a fly's head on "Bored of the Flies".
  • On "Cabin Fever" after Breezy the Snowguy's nose gets eaten by Sagebrush Sid after removing his hat, Tex puts the hat on Breezy and Breezy comes back to life and starts violently attacking Sid for stealing his nose.
  • The ending to the Pompeii Pete short "Count Danula" where it is revealed that Pompeii Pete is a vampire and laughs evilly to the audience during the Iris Out.
  • On the Genghis and Khannie short "Courting Disasters", the episode ends with Genghis getting decapitated and telling the viewers that he's fine and then he removes his head after that.
  • Maurice's parents revealed as skeletons on "Time Flies, Chickens Don’t".
  • Freddy sending Amanda to hell to get turned into a cake on "Cake Me a Bake".
  • A vulture trying to kill Tex just so he can eat him on "Water You Gonna Do?".
  • The Pompeii Pete short "Quiet Please" has Pompeii Pete killing a mouse with a cannon.
  • The Freddy the Fly short "Bug to the Future" where Freddy gets frozen for over 4000 years and gets thawed out in the future.
  • Sagebrush Sid getting split in half by his axe on "Up a Tree Without a Paddle".
  • Dan's facial skin cracking exposing his flesh then bones after getting hit by a coconut on "Plane Trouble".
  • The ending to "The Stepford Chickens" where Mooch gets Eaten Alive by chickens.
  • Tex and Burrito getting chased by a crazy homicidal blacksmith on "Virtual Tex".
  • Genghis getting eaten by an anaconda on "Pain in the Rainforest".
  • The ending to "Mile High Fly" where flies now become the dominant species on Earth while humans are now treated as pests.
  • Power Pooch about to get neutered on "Doggie Pound".

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#3253: Oct 19th 2020 at 9:58:02 PM

For The Pink Panther

  • Extinct Pink - The entire soundtrack is very creepy and unnerving, especially when the little white man (as a caveman) and a smaller dinosaur encounter a giant dinosaur, the ending music with the Pink Panther, little white man, small dinosaur, and giant dinosaur walking up a hill sadly sounds a lot like Death March music. Fortunately, some Nightmare Retardant comes in once they run away from a boulder rolling towards them.

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#3254: Oct 19th 2020 at 10:28:23 PM

[up][up] Most of those are scene summaries, and don't exactly describe what's scary. They sound like they have potential to be Nightmare Fuel, but your descriptions don't communicate that.

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Josh1999 Since: Jun, 2020
#3255: Oct 20th 2020 at 6:35:06 AM

Can you show me how to add in potential to those scenes?

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#3256: Oct 20th 2020 at 11:43:14 AM

What you want to do is focus on the emotions the scene evoke and what's scary about them. Don't exaggerate, but do focus on the scary aspects of the scenes, rather than just explain what happens.

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#3258: Oct 21st 2020 at 6:21:58 PM

Found on NightmareFuel.Snopes:

Now, everything else on the page is very general and lacking in context. But this specific example looks like it's less about being scary, and more criticizing the site itself and accusing it of being unreliable.

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#3260: Oct 21st 2020 at 6:25:00 PM

[up][up] Criticism of Snopes has its place, and a Nightmare Fuel page is not it.

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#3262: Oct 21st 2020 at 7:41:24 PM

The rest of the page ain't great either, just a couple of examples saying "this section of the site is particularly creepy" without explaining why (well, the second one tries, but MIDI files and dripping blood font are far from nightmare-inducing) or even giving specific examples. Should we cut it?

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#3263: Oct 21st 2020 at 7:50:31 PM

[up] Yeah I am not seeing anything worth saving. I think you can cut.

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#3264: Oct 21st 2020 at 7:54:52 PM

[up] Actually, let me see if I can add some context.

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#3266: Oct 22nd 2020 at 7:55:27 AM

I didn't get any feedback last time, so any thoughts on my Brawl in the Family review?

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#3267: Oct 22nd 2020 at 8:18:00 AM

The only truly scary parts of the comic are The Legion and maybe the first part of Zombies. Rest are played for comedy.

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#3268: Oct 22nd 2020 at 9:17:19 AM

Agreed. I mainly just considered the Phantoon example valid due to my fear of Eye Scream.

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#3269: Oct 22nd 2020 at 7:49:14 PM

Hello. I have edited a few examples for RWBY's nightmare fuel, I would like to add them if they're judged to be fitting, or for a moderator to do it if the administrative lock isn't lifted.

    Volume 7 

A Night Off

  • Tyrian's gleeful massacre of the citizens at Robyn's political rally, after Watts cuts off the lights he Tyrian begins his slaugther we are treated to a fightening view as everyone else is too slow or weak to react in time, with only Penny's frame-up and corpses littering the floor once the lights come back.

Gravity

  • Ironwood gets his arm trapped in a Hard Light barrier by Watts, and when he tries to pull it out, the skin sizzles and burns clean off. Ironwood pulls the entire arm through the barrier, besides the Body Horror of his flayed arm this fight shows Ironwood's unnverving determination.

  • During the entire volume there has been evidence of the flaws with Ironwood's views about Mantle and his trauma over the fall of Beacon, this episode brings both tendencies to a head. When he finds a glass queen left by Cinder on his desk his paranoia goes into overdrive, which is compounded by the secrets held by his allies into the decision to effectively leave Mantle for dead and launching Atlas into the upper atmosphere

  • As soon as Salem appears from the Seer's remnants she shows that a good dose of Break Them by Talking can be as devastating as the Grimm she commands. First by further cementing Ironwood's paranoia , then by driving Ruby to tears with a reminder of Summer Rose's death as the girl tries answer back. Salem's words are so effective that Ruby is unable to use her silver eyes.

With Friends Like These

  • Besides a small amount of reluctance from Marrow; all of the atlesian military ,and the ace ops in particular, are perfectly willing to turn on their former allies as soon as the order is given, going straight into combat once the order to arrest team RWBY and their allies is given.

  • Cinder's entrance to the Winter Maiden's bedroom, with the lightning and sound framing her as something that crawled out of a slasher film before she throws a fireball at Winter.

The Enemy of Trust

  • The last time we saw Cinder's Grimm arm, it ended at the middle of her left bicep. Now it has evolved to Body Horror at its finest, the arm has grown all the way up to her shoulder and exposed all the muscles in it. And once Winter cuts it off, Cinder wails in shock....then starts screaming and flailing while a new arm quickly and painfully emerges from the stump, all on its own.

  • Salem arriving amidst a storm she conjured with a fleet of flying Beringels and a flying whale Grimm the size of Atlas itself. Qrow was not kidding when he said that Salem would not be worried about the Atlesians' "little ships"....they have no chance against her Grimm, and they never did.

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#3270: Oct 22nd 2020 at 7:50:48 PM

Those do read a little less scene-summary-ish to me, but the grammar seems spotty. Try running them through this thread first.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#3271: Oct 23rd 2020 at 5:33:35 AM

Okay, the RWBY examples (note, in addition to the below, I'll make the same observation about spelling and grammar as the poster above):

A Night Off

  • Can you change the 'we' language? The easiest thing to do is switch 'we' to 'the audience'. Keep but tweak.

Gravity

  • This isn't coming across as a Nightmare Fuel entry or an audience reaction. It's bordering on being a Determinator example instead. I'd suggest rewriting this slightly to focus on explaining why the arm looks like Body Horror. At the moment, you mention that it is without explaining it. How would you explain that arm to someone who hasn't seen the episode? Keep but tweak.
  • Ironwood's reaction to the chess piece on his desk really isn't a valid example, and what you've written here is just a summary of Ironwood's role in the episode. Not valid.
  • Salem's appearance and actions: this is just a scene summary, which isn't valid. Not valid as written. But there is an example here given that Salem's manifestation is almost identical to Emerald's illusion in Volume 5, and Emerald's illusion is already on the NF page. Rewrite.

With Friends Like These

  • Atlesian military obeying their commander to turn on the heroes when ordered: this is a scene summary and not valid.
  • Cinder: You've got the basis for an example here, but you're a bit ZCE. Explain what the lighting and sound framing is doing to make it seem like a slasher film. There's a lot you can do here because of the way Cinder is framed in the corridor and as she enters the room. Rewrite to keep.

The Enemy of Trust

  • Cinder's arm: this is written as a scene summary as current. You're right on the verge of an entry here, you just need tweak it to include an observation about how this arm's appearance and Cinder's screaming agony makes the audience feel as they watch it. Keep but tweak.
  • You're doing a scene summary of a cliffhanger, using anticipation language. I'm going to ask the thread for other opinions on this one because it doesn't seem like an example as written. Not valid but second opinions wanted to confirm.

If you want me to help you with any of the rewrites (Salem's manifestation and Cinder's arrival at the Winter Maiden's chamber), I'm willing to do that.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 23rd 2020 at 1:44:51 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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#3272: Oct 23rd 2020 at 5:39:36 AM

I got no feedback from anyone, so I'll ask, how did I do on my review of NightmareFuel.Bug Fables?

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#3273: Oct 23rd 2020 at 6:08:53 AM

The NightmareFuel.Bug Fables:

I don't know the work, so I can only go on what the entries are telling me. I therefore can't tell you if there is a valid example behind them with a proper rewrite. I can only tell you if the current entry is a valid example.

  • The Underground Tavern
    • Scene summary. Cut.
    • Scene summary. Cut.
  • Giants
  • Lesser bugs: Fridge Logic. Cut.
  • The Beast: As written, this may be a keeper as most of the entry does seem to be from an audience perspective.
  • Giant's lair: this is a wordy ZCE. It doesn't tell me why a dark and oppressive atmosphere is NF. It tells me the enemies are hideous, but doesn't explain how. And it then tells me to go and catch up on a completely different work to fully understand it. This is not a keeper as written. However, as you think there should be a legitimate example here, I'll go with what you're saying: I recommend rewriting this to fit NF requirements to show why it's NF.
    • Okay, we're starting to get a description here. This is an indentation issue, however.
    • This is Fridge Logic. Cut.
    • Okay, we've got a description of why 'dark and oppressive' is NF.
    • This seems part description, part Fridge.
    • Okay, what I would suggest with this entry is combine everything into a single, rewritten example. The indentations all violate the rules on how to write examples, but they do provide the context that is needed to stop the original entry from being ZCE. If you rewrite everything here into a single entry, I think you'll have a valid example.
  • Snakemouth lab: I don't fully understand the entry. I... think it's a keeper.
    • Fridge. Cut.
    • Fridge. Cut.
    • Fridge. Cut.
  • Forsaken Lands: Scene summary combined with melodramatic punctuation isn't a good look. It seems like a cut to me.
  • Wasp King: This is a Big Bad example, not a NF one. Cut.

I think you did very well there.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 23rd 2020 at 2:10:58 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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#3274: Oct 23rd 2020 at 5:45:24 PM

[up]I don't mean to be rude, but I'd rather have someone who's actually played the game tell me how I did, but thanks for the input anyways!grin

Also, I think you meant Fridge Horror instead of Fridge Logic.

Edited by Spidey on Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:07:09 AM

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#3275: Oct 23rd 2020 at 5:50:17 PM

That's not rude. It's a sensible bar to aim for.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

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