Is this an example?

Is this correct use of Interface Spoiler?

• Friday Night Funkin': Corruption: The portion of the videos showcasing the stages always end in asking the viewer to subscribe for the next video, with the second video of each Week using "final battle": if the second video instead uses "next battle", it's a sign there's something else going on.
  • In the second "Pico vs Mom" video, this was because the following video was a momentary perspective shift depicting Boyfriend's first match against Senpai, with the final "Pico vs Mom" video being released the week after.
  • In the second "Boyfriend vs Senpai" video, this is because Senpai has four songs, not three - the third video is instead the one to use "final battle".

Under the Video Games folder for Villain-Based Franchise:

• Possibly Silent Hill, if a place can be a villain.

I dunno, can it? I haven't played any of the games, nor am I a fan, but as I understand it, Silent Hill is a spooky hospital or something? On a serious note, the fact that I as a normal person have no idea how the location is supposed to be a villain based on the context of this example (the Eldritch Location pothole helps only a little), I'd say this feels a bit fan myopic and maybe a tad shoehorned.

Edited by antenna_ears on Apr 4th 2021 at 3:12:47 AM

Maybe we can say Tropes Are Flexible if the place itself is evil, and it is the central link, while characters and whatnot change often. But man, it's hard to evaluate a blatant ZCE. :)

Edited by Tenebrika on Apr 4th 2021 at 7:02:33 PM

@mightymewtron: That feels like stretching the trope. There's a difference between something that's physically scary for kids and something that's psychologically inappropriate.

Figured as much, since we usually trope theme park rides for their theming and not their physical qualities, though it was an interesting reaction to see.

x4 Does the particular place have agency? "Villain" implies deliberate evil by someone/thing that has the ability to make moral decisions.

(Reposting just in case nobody noticed this the previous time)

I noticed the following 'examples' on the live action TV section for Franchise Original Sin in regards to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Do they truly count?:

• Couch Baron's Television Without Pity recap of the season 3 episode "Lover's Walk" (recap written after season 6 aired) regretfully pointed out Willow trying to do a spell on someone (Xander this time) without their consent, and Spike blaming his Badass Decay on women (Drusilla).

• Some of the major events that most polarized the fandom in Seasons 6 and 7, including Buffy and Spike hooking up in a relationship and Willow's witch powers spiraling out of control following her relationship ending, are (coincidentally or not) foreshadowed in the Season 4 episode "Something Blue", to the point of the whole episode seeming Harsher in Hindsight. Heck, it even brought Amy back! (Albeit for only two seconds on-screen.)

I'm uncertain if these truly count. If they're supposed to, they don't seem in my eyes to fully explain just what flaw that was present and accepted in earlier parts of the series and criticized in later parts of the series is being talked about or why it was accepted when it was.

Im not a Silent Hill fan, so I don’t know. And that’s the problem, it’s a ZCE, giving almost no context as to why or how the place is a villain, so I elected to cut it. Not just comment it out like other ZCEs, because as far as I can tell, Silent Hill is not actually a villain and thus isn’t an example of Villain-Based Franchise.

Edited by antenna_ears on Apr 4th 2021 at 2:35:18 AM

This example from VideoGame.Dragonball Xenoverse and is a ZCE, but not sure how to expand it to a decent enough example:

• The Stations of the Canon: They exist, and it's your job to enforce them.

What would be a better way to rephrase it beyond this one-line ZCE?

I think that it's not even an example. Stations of the Canon is about revisiting iconic/turning point situations in a story to show how your changes have modified those events. Usually applies to fanfic. (though, that might be a bit narrow — something to keep an eye on)

Given the intro paragraph, maybe go looking through the time travel tropes, something about preventing or damping out the ripple effect...

...Yeah, sorry, but this is a useless example (basically "this happens"). Assume the people in this thread don't know anything about the work.

I found this on Finding Nemo.

• Take That, Audience!: Possibly the weirdest line from the whole movie is Gurgle's statement: "The human mouth is a disgusting place", the line seems totally insane coming from him. For starters, he'd already know that, considering how long he's resided in the dentist's office fish tank. Not to mention, he is a complete germaphobe, why would he be staring at something he finds wholly unpleasant? Bile Fascination?

What is that, Fridge Logic in disguise? Also, just because he already knows about the human mouth doesn't mean he can't remark upon it more than once. I'd say cut everything after the quote, if the quote even counts on its own.

Is Won't Take "Yes" for an Answer flexible enough to cover situations where the asker is merely surprised by an easy agreement without acting as if they didn't get that agreement? I have this and wasn't sure what trope fit:

• In A Thing of Vikings, Hiccup suggests that to maintain peace and stability, they annex the places that just attacked them and are now leaderless since their kings died. Bladewit prepares to speak and completely agrees with him, which surprises Hiccup who was expecting opposition, not agreement.

Regarding the Silent Hill example, it's hinted multiple times that the town actually does have some form of sentience, much like the Island from Lost is hinted to be it's own character. It deliberately forces its inhabitants to confront their demons by throwing actual demons at them, and they're clearly personalized for each new character that comes through. It's a ZCE, but if it can be expanded I think it's valid.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 5th 2021 at 11:34:09 AM

Honestly, no I think that’s a different trope.

Go ahead, glad to see that example wasn’t complete speculation.

From Trivia.My Sesame Street Home Video:

• Divorced Installment: Downplayed. Cookie Monster's Best Bites had the My Sesame Street logo at the beginning but it's not considered an official episode due to Sony Wonder taking over Sesame Street video releases before the episode came out. The label was dropped in favor of the regular Sesame Street branding, with the logo only being used as a placeholder until 1996.

Surely this can't be downplayed as a trope, either it's a Divorced Installment or it isn't?

Trivia items cannot be Played With, no.

Even if they could, this looks like a non-example, not a downplayed trope.

The original Longshot is from another dimension. In Ultimate X-Men there no such dimension, and he's instead from Genosha, a fictional country. Does it count as Adaptational Nationality if the place of origin in both original and adaptation is fictional? Adaptational Mundanity is already listed.

No, I don’t think another dimension is a nation.

I removed the following entry from Godiva's because Gosh Dang It to Heck! is not YMMV.

• Gosh Dang It to Heck!: The show was pretty filthy by the standards of Canadian television. However, a panel of chefs who watched the premiere episode for The Globe & Mail decided it wasn't filthy enough—and the only realistic character was the head chef who died of a cocaine overdose!

Usually, I'd move a trope to the correct namespace after removing it from the incorrect namespace. The above example, however, I'm not sure how it qualifies as an example of Gosh Dang It to Heck!.

Edited by Shadow8411 on Apr 5th 2021 at 2:56:13 AM

Troper STARCRUSHER99 asked me to bring this particular topic to this forum: is the Batman from Zack Snyder's Justice League an Adaptational Badass?

Batman is listed as an AB with the following context: "Batman gets tossed around much less and his role in the Final Battle is made considerably more useful, essentially handling the reduction of Parademon defenses around Steppenwolf's base all on his own."

AB and Adaptational Wimp have have been constantly misused for years, and the tropes are when a character's effectiveness, agency and contributions to the story are increased/decreased, not just their raw power. This is a superhero movie we're talking about, after all.

So, what do you say?

While I haven't seen either version of the film (and don't plan to), that does sound like it's describing a case where Batman does become more important and active to resolving the plot. The only reason I'd hesitate to add it is that I'm not sure the Adaptational Whatever tropes should really apply to different edits of the same underlying movie.

If a Massive Multiplayer Crossover leads to people headcanoning that two characters from different works are related, is it Fanon Welding or just Fanon?

Probably just fanon. Fanon Welding refers to when there is no confirmed crossover or Shared Universe.

EDIT: Wait I'm actually unsure, as there are Massive Multiplayer Crossover examples on Fanon Welding. I guess the lack of a confirmed Shared Universe is all that matters?

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 5th 2021 at 11:27:26 AM