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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
I'm gonna ask again:
Does "lecture before death" (like, "keep moving forward, keep doing your best and don't let me hold you back") count as Last Request, or something else?
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I have concerns about this Informed Attribute entry on Kingdom Smarts. First of all, it was initially potholed to say Informed Expert, which is not a thing, and I'm not sure if it's legit or just complaining. For sake of reference, the Attribute/Expertise that's allegedly informed is host Shannon's status as an expert on Kingdom Hearts and its lore.
- Informed Attribute: Shannon can come across as this at times, as she makes some glaring mistakes for someone who is a huge fan of the franchise. A few examples:
- The title of the fourth game is "358 Days Over Two", referring to how it takes place over 358 days and is seen through the eyes of two characters. She misnames it as "358 Over Two Days" every single time the game is mentioned, a title that doesn't make sense.
- Number Nine in the Organization is named DEmyx, not DeMYX. On a similar note Xigbar’s somebody’s name is Braig, pronounced with an A as in ”day” not an A as in ”dark”. Jake actually says it right sometimes while Shannon doesn’t.
- The soliloquy that opens "358 Days Over Two" is delivered by Saïx, not Xemnas; it is directly lifted from one of his scenes in Kingdom Hearts II. It's rather impossible to get the two characters' voices mixed up as Xemnas has a very distinct deep voice.
Could Know-Nothing Know-It-All work? Or Dan Browned, maybe?
Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 1st 2020 at 7:30:40 AM
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I believe so. The page image does exactly that.
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- Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold: Ino has light, blond hair and is a Jerk with a Heart of Gold.
That's not an example of the trope right? Not every good character with blond fits the trope. They have to be Purity Personified or the innocent/wholesome type of gold to fit that trope according to the commented out not on Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold
Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 2nd 2020 at 12:50:56 PM
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YMMV.My Little Pony Equestria Girls Holidays Unwrapped:
- Just Here for Godzilla: A major reason many watch the special is because it's likely the last Equestria Girls special. Or, at the very least, the last MLP content animated by DHX Media.
As it's about those who don't otherwise care about the work watching it for a specific reason. The first part is misuse as those who didn't care for EG would't care to see the ending (proof the did) and those who did care for EG would see it regardless. The second part might be valid (FIM fans who don't normally care for EG). Should I cut or rework this?
If someone asks if a character is a good guy or bad and someone responds with "yes", does that count as an example of Mathematician's Answer?
Yes.
Does Chuck Cunningham Syndrome require the character to disappear entirely? Patty from Peanuts (not that one) is listed despite making speaking appearances well through the 90s. I think it should be an example of Demoted to Extra ?
The following entries just got deleted from Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male.Film. Bringing them here because I believe that while they're a little loquacious and some have complaining language, they are nonetheless legitimate examples that could be restored with some rewording.
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- Tangled and Rapunzel's unnecessary, played-for-laughs physical violence against Flynn when they first meet. It's justified that she initially knocks him unconscious (twice), since he is an intruder. But then once he is unconscious, instead of physically restraining him by tying him up, she goes to put his unconscious body in her closet, which takes several attempts during which he endures a lot of physical abuse (all played for laughs). Then she ties him up to a chair (which she could have done to begin with, making the closet scene and abuse unnecessary). She knocks him unconscious for a third time while he is tied down (again unnecessary and he was physically restrained this time). When she accidentally lets the chair he is tied up to fall down so he falls on his face on the floor, she doesn't say "Sorry" but a dismissive "Oops". Later, when Flynn tries to argue with her to abandon their mission, instead of reasoning with him she answers with "I will use this" holding up the pan that she had knocked him unconscious with three times, menacingly to his face (imagine if it was a man that says to a woman "I will knock you out" to make her do his will during a dispute).
- Starlord and Gamora’s relationship from Guardians of the Galaxy has shades of this especially when Quill has her listen to his Walkman and they start to slow dance together and have Almost Kiss before Gamora flips out at his “pelvic sorcery” and nearly slits his throat with a knife. True Quill has amorous reputation, that Gamora is well aware of but nearly killing him over Elvin Bishop is ridiculous. When they get a Relationship Upgrade in the sequel, Gamora doesn’t hurt Quill at all and is very protective of him.
- Played straight in Avengers: Endgame as when they reunited, Gamora knees the resurrected Quill (whose was just overjoyed to see her again) in the groin and knocks him down when he tries to touch her, it’s Played for Laughs. Yes technically it’s the 2014 version of Gamora who never met and fell in love with Quill, but since present Nebula was there and could’ve safely explained their relationship to Gamora, it really just makes the adoptive sisters look they’re being unnecessarily cruel to a man who was dead for five years.
- Batman Begins has new character Rachel Dawes talking with a clearly distraught and depressed Bruce Wayne when he reveals that he'd been planning to shoot the man that murdered his parents. Rachel's response? Slapping him. Hard. Twice. And then adding mental abuse to the physical abuse by telling him his parents would be ashamed of him, before storming off in a huff. It's not exactly a surprise that some theaters apparently cheered when she got exploded in the sequel.
Proposed rewording:
- In Tangled, the female Rapunzel knocks the male Flynn unconscious twice in self-defense, since he is an intruder in her home at the time. However, she then ties him up and unnecessarily strikes him a third time while restrained. Later, after they have become friends and traveled together for some time, Flynn tries to argue with her to abandon their mission. She answers, "I will use this" holding up the pan that she had knocked him unconscious with three times, menacingly to his face. The whole thing is Played for Laughs in a way which would be much darker if a male character made a credible threat of bodily harm against a female character to win an argument.
- Guardians of the Galaxy: After the male Quill and the female Gamora share a romantic moment, she has second thoughts and nearly slits his throat with a knife. The encounter had been entirely consensual up until that point and Quill posed no physical threat to her. This is never treated as problematic, and the two later become an Official Couple in a way that would be quite disturbing if the genders were reversed.
- Batman Begins: The clearly distraught and depressed (male) Bruce Wayne reveals to his (female) friend Rachel Dawes that he'd been planning to shoot the man that murdered his parents. Rachel's response is to slap him. Hard. Twice. Now imagine a male character inflicting physical violence on a grieving female character in such a way.
Edited by HighCrate on Mar 2nd 2020 at 4:00:28 AM
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The proposed rewrite looks good
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IMO, none of them count. They're all written speculatively, based on what would happen if their genders were reversed, not what does happen.
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That's sort of the point, though? The idea that a show is just fine with showing women being violent to men, but would never show it the same way the other way around? Not every example needs to have both cases present in the work to count, the double standard is that they portray it as a joke at all.
The Tangled and Batman rewrites look okay to me, but I'm "eh" on the GOTG one. Looking at a transcript:
- Gamora: The melody is pleasant! [as Gamora listens to the music Peter's leans in to kiss her when suddenly Gamora puts a knife to his throat] No!
- Peter Quill: Ow! What the hell?
- Gamora: I know who you are, Peter Quill! And I am not some starry-eyed waif here to succumb to your...your pelvic sorcery!
- Peter Quill: That is not what is happening here. [as Gamora lets go of his throat Peter notices Drax, Rocket and Groot are all fighting inside the bar] Oh, no. [Peter and Gamora enter the bar to stop the fight between Drax, Rocket and Groot, Gamora drags Drax off of Groot]
The point of the scene is to show that Gamora has issues and doesn't know how to handle this normal social interaction. It's intended to be an unreasonable reaction on her part.
Edited by Twiddler on Mar 2nd 2020 at 5:28:47 AM
Does the ship in Battleship Raid have to be part of the scenery to count, or is just "a boss that is a giant battleship" enough to qualify?
Specifically, I'm wondering if Zone 6 of Omega Boost counts. The bulk of the stage is against an entire fleet of battleships, and then one big ship once you take out all the smaller ones. You don't ever board any of the ships, you just fight them.
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I'll save discussion on the Double Standard trope for elsewhere to avoid derailment.
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Those aren't sidequests, right?
- Sidequest Sidestory: Bollywood has an obsession with providing value for money, leading many filmmakers to pad out their movies with arbitrary but often fun subplots featuring popular supporting actors. This makes the Indian film industry one of the few places you would see this trope outside of video games.
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No. Bollywood is many things, but not a video game.
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- Badass Decay: Many Looney Tunes fans, and even veterans of the creative team such as Chuck Jones himself, expressed the unlikeliness that Bugs Bunny would need such an elaborate amount of planning and assistance to take out the five dunderheaded Mon-Stars.
What do you guys think?
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I don't think it's an example. Pretty sure Bugs was never characterized as a badass.
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Badass Decay isn't adaptational, it's within the the same universe as when the character was originally badass.
I was mainly thinking of how is Bugs doing stuff like planning and needing help Badass Decay, but those are good points too. Want me to delete it?
Also, I went and deleted Creator Backlash and Creator's Pest from the trivia page. The former since the cited creator, Chuck Jones, never worked on the film, and the later failed to cite the writers admitting they didn’t like Marvin.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 2nd 2020 at 1:36:39 PM
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Really? Thats how its used usually because adaptations share the same universe. I guess thats misuse? Space Jam has its own continuity yeah but the example seems to be calling back from older portrayals and Space Jam doesnt have its own film series; its just one movie iirc. Does Badass Decay happen during the course of one movie?
Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 2nd 2020 at 12:36:25 PM
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I think that's what it's supposed to be anyway, like; in the same continuity at least.
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Would Bugs fall better under Adaptational Wimp?
Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 2nd 2020 at 1:38:28 PM
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I'm all for removing it. This is one of the many examples of people jumping the gun with tropes and/or subjectives when it comes to events (fictional or RL) that may not necessarily last for too long (and the Sony/Marvel thing certainly didn't).
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