Is this an example?

• The Owl House - The Owl House — Spoilers for Season 3

Both Eda and King have Superpowered Evil Side listed to describe the rage-induced monstrous transformations they undergo after Belos kills Luz in the final episode, but I'm not sure it counts since neither of them are evil. King goes out of his way to protect the Collector from one of Belos' attacks, and Eda warns the Collector to stay back since she's on the verge of going berserk and doesn't want to hurt him.

Is there a trope that would better fit? Hulking Out, perhaps?

Reposting one more time.

Could you give us some screenshots? If the two are trying to follow the same style and are different mostly for technical reasons, it's not an Art Shift.

These◊ are◊ screencaps of the core gameplay and overworld map, which are in Painted CGI, while this◊ is a screencap of an NPC conversation in Story Mode, which is done in a 2D Visual Novel style. The change between the two visual styles depending on the section of the game is an artistic choice.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Mar 11th 2024 at 2:00:51 AM

From Godzilla Minus One

• Spiritual Antithesis: The film is one to Godzilla (1954) where both film has the same story beats and subject matter, they handle both topics differently as well as Godzilla's Anthropomorphic Personification being handled differently:
  • The original film is all about nuclear weapons and the dangers and victims it creates, which includes Godzilla. The film downplays the nuclear warfare subject matter and instead portrays Godzilla the personification of war itself, and thus his Adaptational Villainy. The original Godzilla was portrayed as the atomic bomb, a dangerous weapon that devastated Japan twice and the horrors it brought to the country, but he was given an Adaptational Sympathy by Ishir⁠ō Honda to make him a victim of nuclear weapons.
  • Both films even portrayed War Is Hell differently: The original film portrays war having long-lasting consequences as well as the fire bombings and the aftermath of nuclear weapons. In this film, it portrays how Imperial Japan takes their soldiers' lives for granted, and even sends their soldiers to their deaths in a Hopeless War. Daisuke Serizawa in the original film was heavily shell-shocked from his experiences during World War II while Shikishima is shell-shocked by Godzilla's rampage and the deaths of the engineers he caused. While Serizawa ultimately gave his life to get rid of a powerful threat, Shikishima chooses to live for his adopted daughter to get rid of a powerful threat.

This doesn't seem antithetical to me, just different

The two films are absolutely not anthesis. There are some definite differences but ultimately they still go in roughly the same "direction" and I'd argue are more alike each other than many other films in the franchise.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=1238#comment-30934

I'd say yes.

x4 The description seems like it’s stretching to find differences between the two. Like HalfFaust said, they are far more similar to each other than the more comedic entries in the series.

@Canuck Mc Duck 1 honestly wouldn't Sand Necktie be a subtrope of Execution by Exposure? I feel it should probably be listed as such on both their pages, might want to take that up with the description improvement drive. (and not all examples where the person is killed by the tide would be Sand Necktie, you could also be tied up/chained rather than buried.

In other news, the featured trope for today is Rat Men and I noticed it does this common thing where it potholes Dark Is Not Evil to mean "anyone with a normally Obviously Evil / evil coded trait of any kind not being evil". But looking at the Dark Is Not Evil page there it seems to be specifically about traits associated with literal darkness in a character that's not evil (black coloration, Casting a Shadow powers, etc.) It's the opposite of Dark Is Evil rather than the opposite of Obviously Evil. Can Dark Is Not Evil be correctly used in these cases where it's a subversion of a trope like You Dirty Rat! that has nothing to do with darkness? If not, I see this used so commonly that I feel that "Obviously Evil trait in a character/species that isn't evil, subverting expectations" might be a missing super trope to Dark Is Not Evil, closely associated with Not Evil, Just Misunderstood (but not the same since the Not Evil, Just Misunderstood character can be seen as evil for something other than aesthetic Obviously Evil traits, and the subverted Obviously Evil character does not have to be assumed to be evil by characters in universe)

Edited by molokai198 on Mar 11th 2024 at 9:55:17 AM

JustEatGilligan.Western Animation has several examples of villains overlooking smart solutions.

I believe this is misuse as Just Eat Gilligan is about overlooking something that could solve the conflict, while villains examples are about creating the conflict. I think examples have been removed on those grounds.

ATT argues even that definition is incorrect as it's about a single person who screws thing up but no one considers removing. That describes the Trope Namer, but seems redundant with The Millstone and if that was the original definition Just Eat Gilligan evolved into something more distinct.

ATT told me to take here for thoughts on the matter.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 11th 2024 at 8:52:37 AM

From RollerCoaster Tycoon:

• Fake Difficulty:
  • The sequel prevents you from charging for both park and ride entry, which can result in many guests not paying a cent when they leave, or never leaving the park after paying the entrance fee, leaving many potential profits unfulfilled.

From my understanding, Fake Difficulty means that a game is difficult in unintended ways, and preventing players from charging guests for both the park and rides sounds to me like an intentional design decision. The Cash Machine does not exist in RollerCoaster Tycoon 1, so guests will run out of money eventually and therefore leave because they can't afford to go on any rides or buy any food or drinks. This means that players will need to plan for guests spending a limited amount of time in their parks.

There may or may not be more examples of Fake Difficulty in that came that could be considered misuse, but I don't feel like bringing up more examples.

What are you guys' thoughts about this? Would you consider the example I brought up a misuse of Fake Difficulty?

Fake Difficulty has a long history, and it appears to cover both happenstance and apparently intentional difficulty. Unless the Tycoon games have the exact same game mechanics series-wide except this one, the above example looks more like a sequel change someone didn't like.

Question about Yamato Nadeshiko: do non-Japanese examples count? The description of the trope says "This trope is for the Japanese archetype in particular and the Eastern Asian archetype in general" despite everything up until that sentence indicating it's only for Japanese characters (Fantasy Counterpart Culture examples included).

Several examples under the fanwork folder are non-Japanese characters referencing the trope so I don't really know what to do with them (like the Becoming Ponies one).

Other non-Japanese characters I noticed:

• Pi Pa from Beware of Chicken, who's Chinese and also a pig. The reasons given are very vague, and seem to boil down to "polite and formal but also talented at cultivation".
• Park Myeong-yi from Dae Jang Geum, who's Korean. The reasons given sound flimsy, since they describe her as being "a wonderful cook for her family as well as very calm but strict with her daughter" which barely counts for being a Yamato Nadeshiko imo.
• Stahma Tarr from Defiance who's... an alien. Judging from the wording of the characterisation, I also don't really think it fits, but I'm not familiar with the work so I have no idea.
• The three examples in the Theatre folder are Chinese, and the first one says it's not an example despite people apparently thinking it is. The second one doesn't really provide any context. The third example does seem like it could count if this trope applies to non-Japanese characters.

There's also TWICE's Mina listed, who's a real person (and not a historical figure), and I don't think the trope applies to her. She's probably just more reserved because she's Japanese and the other members are Korean, so there's a cultural difference involved.

Any thoughts?

Super Mario Bros. Wonder's Trivia page

The trope in question is Cross-Dressing Voices, and the example given is the nonbinary Giselle Fernandez as Daisy. Even if Fernandez wasn't biologically female, doesn't identifying as neither gender kinda invalidate the notion of "actor voicing a character that's of the opposite gender"?

I'm not wanting to seem like a bigot, I'm just genuinely confused and would appreciate other people's input.

I'd go with no, that's specifically a Japanese archetype (as for aliens and such...only if they were Japanese-coded, I guess). Proper Lady and Silk Hiding Steel should be able to catch non-Japanese examples.

I need clarification on Franchise Original Sin. Can it be used within a single season of a TV series, where the element people complain about in the final few episodes was always present right from the pilot? Or does it require multiple seasons to truly qualify, due to the "franchise" part of trope name?

X3 I checked the discussion page for Cross-Dressing Voices and I saw someone else ask a similar question years ago. I’m not non-binary so I can’t answer for it, but I think this is something that should be talked about more.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Mar 12th 2024 at 10:09:22 AM

Not sure if this qualifies as an example or not — depends on how flexible tropes are.

For The Bolt Chronicles:

• Humanlike Animal Aging: An analogue appears in "The Coffee Shop." Bolt has begun putting on weight because he has been begging for treats at the title venue and eating discarded food from the trash. His longtime sweetheart Mittens reacts by cracking jokes such as "Q: What's the difference between a boyfriend and a husband? A: Thirty pounds," while adding "That’s 12 in dog pounds."

Thanks!

Edited by BoltDMC on Mar 12th 2024 at 3:34:23 PM

x4 Thank you! Should I just comment them out, or delete them and put a link to this discussion at the top of the page and say something like "Yamato Nadeshiko is for Japanese characters (or non-Japanese characters who live in Japan and are clearly trying to emulate this trope) and their Fantasy Counterpart Cultures only. For non-Japanese examples, please use Proper Lady and Silk Hiding Steel"?

I feel like the one sentence in the description about the East Asian archetype should be removed too, in that case.

Edited by Zazie122 on Mar 12th 2024 at 9:27:30 PM

Strange question: Does the Studiopolis trope apply to say, theatre stages like in the upcoming Princess Peach: Showtime!? I can think of how this and the Paper Mario series are basically designed like characters performing on stage, but don't think there's enough examples to make it its own separate trope.

I'm certain theatres fall under the scope.

From The Wizard of Oz.

• Accent Depundent: The Cowardly Lion's assertion that Courage "puts the ape in apricot" only works if you pronounce it "APE-ri-cot" instead of "AP-ri-cot" like everyone else in the world does.

The bolded part was just added, and it feels like this troper thinks the latter is the ONLY way to pronounce apricot, even though I've heard the former pronunciation used plenty of times.

From what I'm aware of, ap-ri-cot is the American English pronunciation. In NZ English (and British English) it's ape-ri-cot.

Not sure if this means anything.

A further point on the accents: American actors at the time of the film's production spoke in the Mid-Atlantic accent on-screen, which combines pronunciation aspects from American and British English. Whether "apricot" is usually pronounced "ape-ri-cot" with that accent or if they forced it to make the You Put the "X" in "XY" statement work is another question entirely.

Either way, I'd remove the bolded section for being rude.