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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower
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Feb 28th 2012 at 4:53:08 PM

In #46 your proposal sounds like you are assigning a motivation: "a person (possibly a Combat Sadomasochist) who invokes Stripperiffic intentionally [...] as a "distraction tactic" (such as Maidman) or because they just get off on it.".

The existing "wears very little/nothing in combat" tropes mostly have nothing to do with motivation, so if you are interested in making a trope about the motivation (which is in itself a perfectly good idea), the existing tropes would not be subtropes of the new trope. If you are merely proposing a costume-based supertrope, that's different.

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Feb 28th 2012 at 4:59:13 PM

Actually, I did have it backwards. Stripperiffic would be the Super-Trope of that.

Mar 1st 2012 at 10:42:37 PM

This is very inline with some things I've been pondering from previous discussions, including the hypothetical Chivalrously Acceptable Action Girl (such as the White Magician Girl, who is full on action but is presented as feminine and at least relatively delicate, despite being equally competent). I even thought of a scale of sorts:

Useless Damsel -> Useful Damsel and Plucky Girl -> support characters (invokes Guys Smash, Girls Shoot strongly, plus feminie steretoypes) -> Chivalrously Acceptable Action Girl -> Male Viewpoint Preferred Action Girl -> Stylish Action Girl -> Feminist Action Girl

Feather7603 Devil's Advocate from Yggdrasil
Mar 2nd 2012 at 9:45:46 AM

[up] Almost sounds as if there should be a Straw Feminist Action Girl at the end of that...

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant
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Mar 8th 2012 at 9:03:18 AM

I've been thinking about the Magic Is Feminine trope mentioned in the OP for some time, and it seems to me the trope is more Magic Isnt Manly. In general, only females, young boys, and old men are magic users, unless we're talking about a Magic Knight. Male characters in their prime who are mages are often treated as less manly in some way - frail, cowardly, too gentle/sensitive, etc.

Anyway, that one's been percolating in my brain for some time, so stop me if I misunderstood the intent of that supertrope.

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Mar 8th 2012 at 9:45:59 AM

I don't know if magic is "dainty," per se, and I don't know if it'd count as a subtrope. But given that the trope was in effect for some older cultures (I seem to recall that runic language was supposed to be only for women in Norse Mythology, and Odin had to cross-dress in order to learn it), I think it's a valid trope on its own.

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Mar 8th 2012 at 12:39:08 PM

[up][up] Ironic that you've brought that up, because I've recently been in contemplation about exactly how it should be defined, and while I had many of the same thoughts as you, there's another element I think we're missing.

Magic is "manly" when it's wild and raw physical force. Zeus throwing a lightning bolt is just as manly as Hercules with a battle axe. It's when you're talking about magic which isn't a force of nature, is more like science, or is just down right pretty, that it begins a slow decent to being unmanly or downright feminine.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Apr 22nd 2013 at 5:44:45 AM

You know, something just occurred to me: What is the purpose of this thread, exactly? Collecting possible missing supertropes and determine whether or not they're actually missing?

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Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:22:57 AM

Well, that, and also to state that I need help, if the project is accepted.

Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:25:44 AM

I have a proposed supertrope in YKTTW for Out of Their League, an attempt to cover misuse of Ugly Guy, Hot Wife for guys who aren't ugly. I could use some help with it perhaps collecting all current misuse to help populate the example list.

Apr 22nd 2013 at 10:34:06 AM

Sounds good. It also goes with this YKTTW which even has a red link in the description to yours.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Apr 22nd 2013 at 1:07:33 PM

Well, on my end for now, either we have a missing supertrope to Multiple Head Case that is more general in its coverage of polycephaly, or Multiple Head Case is unnecessarily narrow in definition ("multiple heads with their individually separate personalities and wills").

On that note, we seem to be missing an even higher Extra Body Parts supertrope to not only polycephaly, but also Extra Eyes, Vertebrate with Extra Limbs and its subtropes, and whatever other similar tropes that I have missed.

edited 22nd Apr '13 1:10:01 PM by MarqFJA

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SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jun 15th 2013 at 8:37:14 AM

Plain Harem, which currently is a disambig.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Jul 27th 2014 at 5:25:30 PM

OK, either we are missing a supertrope for all forms of "eyes possess abnormal powers, magical or not", or someone somewhere forgot to make Magical Eye the (missing) supertrope to Eye Beams, Deadly Gaze, Hypnotic Eyes, X-Ray Vision, Aura Vision, True Sight, and anything else that I've missed.

Anyone got something to say about this?

edited 27th Jul '14 5:25:41 PM by MarqFJA

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Jul 28th 2014 at 7:00:50 AM

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Jul 28th 2014 at 12:17:35 PM

Thanks.

Something else that occurred to me: I think we ought to make a stickied post that summarizes this thread's Missing Supertrope Syndrome-centric mission.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Aug 5th 2014 at 9:12:30 AM

That sounds like a trope, yeah.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Mar 18th 2018 at 11:53:19 AM

Wow, this thread died all of a sudden. And that's despite it being listed in the directory.

Looking through the Heel/Face Index, I've come to realize that we might be missing what might be the core supertrope for said index — namely, a trope for the simple concept of a character changing their moral allegiance during the course of a story (as opposed to a metafictionally enforced change, as in the case of a Mirror Universe), regardless of what moralities are being switched between (i.e. is it good-to-evil or evil-to-good?) and whether or not the change is permanent, merely temporary, or the character switches moralities so many times that they come across as indecisive or even unwilling to adopt a morality on a long-term basis. Am I overthinking this, or am I actually on to something?

edited 18th Mar '18 11:58:19 AM by MarqFJA

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