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Useful Tips:
- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
Is this What An Idiot? On WhatAnIdiot.Steven Universe.
- "Bismuth"
- Bismuth finds out that five thousand years have passed, Rose had lied about poofing and bubbling her, and that Rose had given up her form to make Steven. She learns that most of her friends were wiped out by the Diamonds, only leaving Pearl and Garnet as the survivors.
You'd Expect: That she would tell Pearl and Garnet what happened, and show them the Breaking Point after leading them to the Forge. Even though they trusted Rose, they would be able to help Bismuth's grief and trauma as her family.
Instead: Bismuth hides her feelings and instead gives Pearl, Garnet and Amethyst upgrades for their weapons. Later on, when Steven makes a bed for her at night and talks about how hard it is to live up to his mother's image, she decides to take him to the Forge alone and show him the Breaking Point. Steven refuses to use it, or let anyone use it, triggering Bismuth as Steven had said it the exact way Rose said it. Then she attacks him, mistaking him for Rose, and the fight ends with Steven stabbing her with Rose's sword. It's implied she goes Suicide by Cop by demanding that he shatter her, because she thinks she'd be better off not knowing that Rose didn't care about her. Pearl and Garnet sadly elect to keep her bubbled, because of Bismuth's anguish and knowing she nearly killed Steven. As a result, they have to restrain a formidable ally.
- Bismuth finds out that five thousand years have passed, Rose had lied about poofing and bubbling her, and that Rose had given up her form to make Steven. She learns that most of her friends were wiped out by the Diamonds, only leaving Pearl and Garnet as the survivors.
Reposting from the previous page:
Are the following examples being used correctly?:
From Ultimate Marvel Team-Up:
- Strawman Has a Point: Issue 2 starts with a recap of the events of the previous 2 issues, at the Daily Bugle, under the title "Spider-Man: menace?". Fredrick Foswell wrote: "... gaudy red and blue tights, referring to himself only as Spider-Man, jumped into the middle of the riot. Many witnesses describe Spider-Man behavior as mocking and obnoxious. 'It was like he was purposely trying to get the crowd even more riled than it already was', says pretzel cart vendor Cristopher Allen. 'When Spider-Man showed up, that's when things really started to get out of control'. 'I thought Spider-Man was trying to calm things down', said tourist Denny Haynes, 'but it's hard to listen to reason from a guy dressed in tights hanging upside-down from a street light'". And yes, all of that is coherent with the events seen, just casted under a different light.
From Trolls:
- Dueling Works: Merchandise sales are not the only place where this film had to deal with Frozen, as spin-offs of Trolls will be competing with Frozen spin-offs at least twice in the next few years. First, the holiday specials for both franchises will be released the exact same weekend in the United States note , and their sequels will come out three months apart from each other. Trolls won the first duel against Frozen because of the bad reception Olaf's Frozen Adventure received compared to the positive reception of Trolls Holiday.
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HoYay.Yuki Yuna Is A Hero has a section for Togo/Yuna. Should it be moved to straight up Ship Tease considering Word of God is that Togo canonically likes Yuna?
The lead text of Real Men Hate Sugar contains the text "[w]oe betide the teenage boy who is caught liking sugar or (shock horror) caught having a banana ice cream sundae topped with a cherry; from that point onward, he is a socially dead pariah, no better than 'those wretched Otaku losers who hang out at Cosplay Cafes'." Episode 2 of Blend-S contains a literal reference, when a male customer to a Cosplay Cafรฉ mentioned he'd to too embarrassed to order a gigantic parfait in a normal cafe.
But does that make it an example?
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No, the other one.
Being embarrassed because you're a male and like sweets fits that trope, yes. It still has the connotation that he's not a real man because he likes those desserts.
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In YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild, Award Snub is listed as an example. The entry cites that, while the game won several key awards in Golden Joystick Awards as well as The Game Awards, it lost in others. Considering that the game was nominated in more categories where it won than in those where it lost (for one, it only lost in Best Art in GJA, and only in Audio and Art in TGA), I feel this is a forced example. It doesn't help that the example emphasizes more the categories where it won, so it reads more like an overall aversion. Besides, I have hardly seen any backlash from fans over the (ultimately few in number) defeats in the ceremonies.
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I deleted Pokรฉmon off of The Show of the Books but it was recently added back:
- Pokรฉmon: Easily the most successful anime based on a game. They only loosely reference each other though.
- Pokรฉmon Origins: Red and Blue compressed into four episodes. Truer to the Text than the main anime.
I'm confused. What book is Pokรฉmon adapting? It's a video game series.
Also, is this Kirby Air Ride example right?
- Cult Classic: While did well enough commercially, it didn't excitedly light up the gaming world when it hit. But over time it's amassed a huge dedicated following.
It did well commercially. Doesn't that mean it's not a cult classic?
edited 11th Dec '17 8:29:55 PM by Pichu-kun
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Whoever added those Pokรฉmon examples must've confused that trope with The Anime of the Game.
"Cult classics have an unusual shelf life, and seemingly avert the Popularity Polynomial completely. Rather than receiving a short but large burst of popularity before ultimately fading completely into obscurity, cult classics receive a marginal amount of attention almost indefinitely. It's a good bet that a show or movie considered a cult classic 30 years ago will still be such today."
No, the other one.
Yeah, that reads as not an example.
edited 11th Dec '17 10:16:44 PM by AnotherDuck
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Some things in the YMMV page of the The Seven Deadly Sins, all added by the same troper, have been confusing me for some time on whether I should take them out or not.
So before doing anything, I'm gonna ask are these examples?:
- Alternate Character Interpretation: What does Zeldris plan to do as Demon king? He has so far been the only one to describe the demon clan as a race of outcasts and those despised by the other clans and accepting of other outcasts. He was in willing lovenote with a member of a race below his own, let alone his status as prince. Does Zeldris for all his villainy see kingship the same way that King does? He cared for how his men were slowly being killed off (though it could be because of pride), he opposes Meliodas as king for the implication of he was a traitor more then it seems because he covets the throne and the fact he choose to seal the vampires brings up another question. Why seal them all when he could have just wiped out all the other vampire's except Gelda, but he choose to seal them all. Meliodas fought and killed his comrades for his love despite supposedly being more moral by that point. Zeldris came up with a compromise to fulfill his duty and kept the one he loved alive something Meliodas did not do. These seem to point towards Zeldris as more inline with Meliodas ideal of a good king embodied by King then Meliodas himself.
- The demons themselves bring this up. While the demon are portrayed as vicious and have no issue taking innocent lives. The question of whether they are like this by nature and the goddess opposed them justifiably despite not being munch better or devolved into the beasts the demons are stereotyped by the other clans as thanks to having to fighting for their very existence from all other races who despise them for who they are. The fact that there was a truce between the goddess and demon which the goddess broke at the first sign of disadvantage and Zeldris description of the clan hints towards the latter interpretation but it's very munch still vague.
- The Goddesses: Are they a race of Arrogant Jerkass knight templars who are truly no better then the Demon Clan and who's bigotry keeps the demons from reconciling with the other clans and causing endless war and death on all sides thanks to their pride. Or a race of Jerkass Has a Point where while terrible, the demons are a threat to all life and so powerful all the clans united is required to defeat them.
- Epileptic Trees: quite a few.
- number one being that a majority of the fandom speculates that Escanors power is related to the Goddess somehow. Many thinking he's using the power of Mael or is the representative of the Supreme Deity.
- Merlin is a demon or apart of the demon equivalent to the druids. Many fans back this idea up with most of Merlins magical skills be that of demons primarily and very little from the Goddesses or any other clan. her real name looking very demonic supports this
- Gelda of the vampire's as somehow surviving her clash with Meliodas is also widely believed. Given Nakaba track record with most backstory based characters important to another character that still alive especially love interests turning out to be alive even if killed. This is almost guaranteed to be true.
The first Alternate Character Interpretation entry doesn't seem like an example as it doesn't exactly state clearly interpretations and asks questions more instead. In light of recent chapters, a few of these questions may be answered in the future.
The second Alternate Character Interpretation entry from what I can decipher asks if the demons are just naturally evil or are just forced to be evil. Don't know if this is a legitimate example or just asking questions.
The third Alternate Character Interpretation entry doesn't seem to provide clearly the alternative interpretations it's trying to say. Furthermore, what could be deciphered are interpretations that I kinda think aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
As for the Epileptic Trees entries, I don't really know if they constitute as examples or just simple WMG. Some of them sound not so insane and may be answered in the future.
edited 12th Dec '17 3:03:52 AM by Elfkaiser
This fails Examples Are Not General, right?
It's also exactly the same, except for the last sentence, in the works pages.
Lost in Space
Yes, it's exactly the wrong way to do that. Those specific works mentioned should have their own distinct examples, and the general part should be axed.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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Another Duck: I have removed the Award Snub from the BOTW YMMV tab.
135 - 169 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300The following examples:
- Evil Counterpart: Hans serves as this to most of the heroes.
- To Anna — Both are the youngest scion of a royal house and neglected by their own accounts, but where Anna is open and artless, Hans is a skilled actor hiding his true motives. Both have issues with being overshadowed by their powerful siblings, but while Anna just wants to be close to Elsa, Hans turns out to be trying to equal and upstage his brothers.
- To Elsa — Both wear gloves that symbolize how they hide their true selves from others. But, Elsa did this out of fear of harming her sister while Hans only did it to ensure his success. Elsa shut Anna out to protect her while Hans doesn't but only to manipulate Anna for his own goals.
- To Kristoff — Both are love interests for Anna. Kristoff is outwardly gruff but has a soft side, genuinely loved Anna, and would never harm her. Hans is outwardly friendly but is actually sinister, pretended to love Anna, and let her freeze to death.
- To Olaf — Both serve to represent the relationship status between Anna and Elsa. Olaf represents the love between the sisters and while he's silly and childlike, he is also friendly and heroic. Hans represents the breaking of their bond, and while he is classy and sophisticated, he lacks a conscience.
Are genuine examples?
Lost in Space
Umm.... gods, no. That's a massive shoehorn. Kill it with acid. And fire.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Okay, thanks.
I haven't added this yet and it could be a controversial edit, but for Ambiguously Human would adding:
- Santa Claus can be considered as an example of this, as some Western Animation and Anime show him having the ability to use Offscreen Teleportation, plus he's stuck at being in his 70s or 80s physically. Mrs.Claus could also be considered this, depending on the work.
be a good edit, due to the nature of the folder and religion being controversial.
Lost in Space
That's really dubious. First, Santa Claus is not a religious figure, at least not in a more than token sense. If it goes anywhere it'd be under mythology. Second, it could easily attract natter and/or be seen as incautious. Third, I'm not entirely sure that anyone is making the implied claim that Santa Claus is human.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
On the Omnicidal Maniac quotes page I added this.
It got deleted because apparently "it doesn't show the goal is mass murder" out of the examples. However the quote literally mentions "Balancing the universe". That sounds pretty obvious mass murder to me, even if I didn't watch the Avengers Infinity War trailer. There's not really many other ways to take it.
edited 13th Dec '17 2:14:00 PM by ReynTime250
No, the other one.
No, it doesn't obviously say that. It's also not obvious what "this" refers to. It could be the act itself, or something that just happens to happen meanwhile.
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I get it now.
As for adding this to Comic Book/Iznogoud:
- Butt-Monkey: It's common enough in the comics, and in the TV show he's often this because he becomes victim to his own schemes - such as being live chess pieces for giants.
- Human Chess Pieces: One episode of the Animated Adaptation featured Iznogoud and Dilat Laraht as these.
- Sleeves Are for Wimps: Downplayed example, but Dilat's outfit is ripped, making it sleeveless.
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Someone listed an example of Vomit Indiscretion Shot when Hobbes throws up in Camp Nightmare. Is it though? Because he's only said to have thrown up, there's no illustration or anything.
For every low there is a high.
That seems more like Vomit Discretion Shot.
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So, if character A neither forgive nor forget what character B had done, but didn't hate them entirely and still shares friendship and affection to them, does that count as inverted Forgiven, but Not Forgotten or was it a different/not a trope after all?
edited 11th Dec '17 4:15:22 AM by Dragon_Knight02