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openErrorverse Web Original
Okay, out of morbid curiosity, I need more details about what happened with the Errorverse page. The reason for its being cut — "Non-existent work. Only editor for the pages (who is likely one of the coauthors or a proxy for them) deleted their account when confronted." — implies that there was a bit of a brouhaha about it.
resolved "Broken Base" removal for remake? Videogame
Was checking my followed pages and saw a Broken Base entry removed from YMMV.Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door since the remake just released on Switch and thus hasn't passed the six month threshold at this point... despite the entry in question being written exclusively about the original game which is nearly 20 years old. I restored it on that basis, but I do believe the other user could potentially have a point here, so I'd like to ask for second opinions here.
- Broken Base: The overall quality of Chapter 4 is heavily contested. While almost no one will defend the gameplay part, with all its back-and-forth between Twilight Town and the Creepy Steeple, there's the argument of whether or not everything else in the chapter makes up for it. People who like Chapter 4 point to the atmosphere and visuals being some of the best in the game (particularly Twilight Trail), Doopliss being a great villain who provides lots of laughs while also coming dangerously close to ending Mario's adventure, this being the part where the much-lauded Vivian joins your party, and the "end of chapter" twist being an effective Player Punch. On the other hand, detractors are quick to point out how a good story arc doesn't mean anything if the act of playing through it all isn't fun or engaging. All in all, while it's agreed the chapter excels at everything besides the gameplay, whether you think it's good or bad depends on what you consider more important to the experience.
open Anyone know this song/poem? Music
I just stumbled across the Pumpkin Person trope, and it reminded me of a song/poem I heard when I was in grade school back in Australia in the tail end of the 90s. But all I can remember are a few lyric fragments; "When the jack-o-lanterns go, marching softly to and fro", and "Oh-oh-oh-oh here we creep! When the world is fast asleep!" "Marching off (out?) - to frighten you!" Obviously, it's a bit of a long shot, but I thought I'd throw this query out and see if anybody else could remember it.
I think it was part of a book that included a poem/song called Jingle-Jangle-Jent, which I remember mentioned a "druid fond of fluid" and a "Roman fond of roaming", but I don't really remember anything more than that...
openThomas and the Magic Railroad in the wrong namespace (?) Film
Currently, Thomas and the Magic Railroad resides in the Western Animation namespace like the original show. However, I question this. While it makes sense for the original show and the other films to be in the namespace, since they either use claymation/Supermarionation for the early stuff or CGI for the later stuff, Thomas and the Magic Railroad is a unique case as it features real humans in real settings for major chunks of the film, so I wonder if the "film" namespace is better suited for it.
I mean, if Who Framed Roger Rabbit, a film that is more animated than Magic Railroad is in the film namespace for having real humans and stuff, than Magic Railroad probably fits there too. What do you think?
Edited by Tylerbear12openApparent trope missing on the "no examples" lists
The page Wiki Vandal is listed as being a trope. It has no examples, but isn't listed as No On-Page Examples or Definition-Only Pages. Would the correct course of action be to add it to one of those pages? Or is it incorrect that it's labeled as a trope at all?
openPotentially suspect edits Videogame
Troper Halberd Stop Crashing has made some edits that are rather concerning:
On Characters.Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office they added an Ambiguously Bi entry, which is valid but has a concerning part (bolded)
- Ambiguously Bi: He expresses more overt attraction to Agnès, which the remainder of the party notices and comments upon. He blushes when grabbed by Van, which may have an alternative explanation. He also gets flustered and comments on how built Van's body is, before 'asking him to forget [he] said anything.'anything,' among other things.
Being intersex doesn't mean that they feel attraction to anyone (same sex or opposite sex), that's what things like bi or pan are for. It means that they have different parts than a regular person.
Then on here, they make frequent references to eroticism with one reference to homoerotism; I removed it because a scene having gay subtext or gay regular text doesn't make it sexual and by definition homoerotism is about sexual desire with the same sex.
I could be wrong on these so I want to bring it up here is these are worth examining closer.
resolved Capitalization of the AIR Visual Novel.
I've seen that some subpages of AIR are inconsistent in the wikiwords. By forcing the auto-disambiguation with a link like Foo.AIR, some of them are Air and others are AIR in all-caps. Additionaly, the title in packaging and marketing is always stylized as AIR. What should I do in the capitalization fix thread? Turn all of the wikiwords of the subpages into Air and add a custom title in all-caps, or turn all wikiwords into all-caps?
Edited by animuacidopenPeter and Company trope restoration Webcomic
So...after creating Peter & Company (1998), there are select tropes I wish to bring back to the reboot page that got removed two weeks ago, some which bridge the gap between the reboot and its original.
The following tropes I would like permission to put back:
- Adaptational Jerkass: In the 2005 reboot, Chelsea gets turned from being a Cheerful Child with too much of a sweet tooth to a snarky contrarian who dabbles in stalking and bullying for a short period.
- Age Lift: Seth was a kid and an ordinary person in the original comic, while in the 2005 release he's an adult.
- Almighty Janitor: While a rank lower than a guardian, Eddy is basically their fixer and frequently takes care of anyone who might cause them an issue, as demonstrated with his handling of Dr. Victor and Dr. Fritz. Subverted later after the Birthday Party arc reveals that Eddy was actually their leader the entire time.
- Canon Foreigner: Whitney and Tracy enter the cast later on in the comic, with the former serving as Peter's first crush and the latter being included as a Take That! at someone in the author's childhood.
- Continuity Nod: Peter sabotaging Chelsea's sleepover with the worms wasn't the first time he decided to subject her to his antics. Only, unlike in the original continuity where he pelted her and her friends with water balloons, this time it wasn't played for laughs and was done out of boredom rather than playfulness.
If there are any modifications you believe should be made, don't hesitate to ask
I would also like permission to restore certain bits and pieces of mentions of the original comic on this page so that it ties in with the original's page. I'll make sure it doesn't overtake the subject of the current comic but given parts that I wish to add were previously deleted, I would like a consensus before going through with anything.
Edited by Stardust5099openTroper keeps creating trope-less character folders
Back in the day I sent Billy Boric a number of stub notifiers due to them adding trope-less "character" (playable country) folders in various subpages of Characters.Extremis Ultimis. They've replied to one of those notifiers with, basically, "I'm adding the stubs so people will complete the work for me". I've also fixed that problem a couple times by commenting out the folders that lack any tropes. Today they added a lot of those stub folders to Extremis Ultimis Middle East.
openHow do I change the page sandbox to webvideo, and the title for Fundamental Paper Education?
Hi, I'm new to editing, in this page for Fundamental Paper Education https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/SandStuff someone made some mistakes when editing.
First of all, it is a web series on You Tube, so it should be on a page for webvideo, not sandbox. How do I change that?
Second, how do I change the title of the page to the correct one? Because it is not called Sand Stuff, the correct one is Fundamental Paper Education.
openEdit War?
On YMMV.Dead Boy Detectives 2024 the following happened:
- Shanwooo 444 added a second bullet where the phrase "This gets particularly bad in the final episode".
- I merged into the previous one because I felt like it didn't need to be to entries. However, in the process I removed the "This gets particularly bad" part because it just made the entry more negative.
- Shanwooo 444 adds back the "This gets particularly bad" phrase. Without discussing it anywhere or edit reason.
Is this an edit war? I should note that this is not the first time Shanwooo 444 have restored their previous addition to the Dead Boy Detectives page. They did so previously for the same trope and was sent a warning by a mod.
Edited by Bullmanresolved Daemon10 and ZCE
On this page, Daemon 10 added a few examples with zero context. After I commented them out, they un-commented them out without adding any context to them and added more ZCEs on top. So I sent them a ZCE notifier, and it seems like they listened (because when they uncommented out the examples again, they did add more context to them)...but they then created a characters page for the same work and added ZCEs to that page instead.
resolved Undo edit reverts for Anakin Skywalker page
Greetings. I've noticed that Tuvor reverted a good deal of my edits on Anakin Skywalker's page. Some of them were understandable, but others I don't feel were necessary, such as this one, this one, and this one, to name a few.
Any thoughts on this?
Edited by zakitaroopenExample Indentation problem in YMMv page
I found two examples in YMMV page for The Gifted (2014) where two example indentation is probably used wrongly.
- Alternate Character Interpretation:
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Alternatively Maica's and Zoe's view on Marco's reputation as a friendless outcast maybe an exaggeration as well. Nevertheless the epilogue's possible Aesop against excessive escapism still stands.
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Broken Aesop
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
- However films such as The Gifted also heavily relies to the female demographic with Sam Milby as its male lead. Depending on your point of view the feminist message in the epilogue might not hold water..
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
How do I fix it?
openShould we list former GameBreaker examples? Videogame
Should we list former examples that, due to nerf/buffs, are no longer the case?
Former Low-Tier Letdown examples can be listed under Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, but I don't know the equivalent for Game-Breaker (intentional or not).
Clarifying EDIT: I asked this because 2.5 months ago, someone added a game-breaking bug to Team Fortress 2 that was patched in 2008.
Edited by ExaskliriopenAcclaimed Flop example recency Videogame
Acclaimed Flop says no examples until the work's initial run has finished. What does this mean for a Video game that released in complete form on day one?
Edited by GoldenDarknessopenCondemned By History entry Live Action TV
A few hours ago Tropiarz added this Condemned by History entry to the YMMV page for Lost:
- As innovative as it was when it came out, Lost is also the face of everything wrong with the mid-to-late 00s TV series - the infamous "mystery box" model of unsustainable, Writing by the Seat of Your Pants shows that just kept piling more and more nonsensical puzzles for the audience to follow without any actual goal in mind other than "keep ratings high". Not only is the series guilty of all the issues this style of writing and show-running entails, but it spawned dozens of sub-par copycats that absolutely flooded the market, coming up with more and more ridiculous starting points for their big "mysteries" that never meant anything at all, either burning out without any conclusion or starting to suffer from extreme cases of The Chris Carter Effect - with Lost falling victim to that already by the end of season 3 out of 6. It is also guilty of introducing and popularising such hated things as: the marketing gimmick of "half-seasons" done for the sake of artificially extending the life of a single season, relying on Character Death for shock value, absolutely massive casts that end up working against the show due to lack of focus and even souring flashbacks for generations to come, as they became a by-word for "padding" in the same way as Engaging Chevrons. It's hard to comprehend how many despised practices hail back to this show as either origin or at least propagator and populariser.
I'm not sure this counts because it doesn't make an argument that the show is now viewed negatively, it's just listing a number of things people disliked about it and is also complaining about other shows doing those things.
Edited by Javertshark13openHoping for weigh-in on the Alpha Centauri YMMV page. Videogame
On the Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri page, I wrote an entry under Memetic Loser, since before I was a fan of the game I was aware of a particular character by reputation because of the relevant memes about him. It needed some work, bluntly, but in the day between my posting it and my deciding to work on it, someone else had deleted it.
I didn't like their edit reason but they've responded on the Discussion page. I frankly don't find their arguments particularly persuasive, and they don't seem particularly interested in the relative merits of contrary opinions, but they've sufficiently convinced me that their opinion is passionate enough that I'm unlikely to change their mind.
I would appreciate if anyone familiar with the source material and community could weigh in? If overwhelming consensus is in their favor I'll abide by the will of the voters, but I question whether or not it is.
(Also, they've been just a bit rude and aggressive throughout, but I don't want them to get in trouble or anything. I'm just being clear about why I don't feel the need to try to convince them of anything through reasoned argument.)
resolved Change of plans: wishing to Launch Peter and Company 1998 Webcomic
After speaking with BoltDMC on the matter, and Amonimus prior to that briefly, I think that my current page is ready enough for it to launch and given that Work Pages Are a Free Launch this was all optional to begin with, but I wanted to make sure that there was atleast some supervision given what a sensitive topic it was.
Do I have the permission of both the community and staff to go through with posting this page? Or do I still have to wait for the hats given that I already made a proposal for it in TLP? Either way, it's fine, I just wish to know if I can bypass the hat system given this is a webcomic page inspite of running it through TLP.
Edited by Stardust5099
I just found out that WMG.Youre So Vain Theories exists (because someone mentioned it here) and there are a couple of things I find concerning about this page:
1- It's a WMG page for a song that does not currently have its own page in the wiki.
2- The entire page is dedicated to speculation regarding who the song is addressed at (the song is about bad relationships Carly Simon had and she refuses to disclose which relationships inspired the song). While many are joke theories, I fear this might cross into RL troping territory?
So I wanted to ask, is this allowed? The page dates as back as 2011 (possibly older) so I think it might be a trace of the wild west days, but I'm not sure.
Edited by UchuuFlamenco