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open Weird Awesome entries Live Action TV
On Victorious there's this weird entries that seems to argue with over if an example counts self. Here they are:
- Tori and friends taking revenge on Manipulative Bastard Ryder in "Begging On Your Knees", along with his ex-girlfriends. Seeing such a Smug Snake of a villain given a well deserved Humiliation Conga, priceless!
- Tori does it again in "Prom Wrecker", By crowning Jade as the prom queen and Doug the Diaper Guy as prom king, as a "discreet" revenge for Jade almost ruining Tori's hard-worked Prom. And to top it all off, a song by Tori, Cat and Andre to close the deal!
- This one is a little less awesome when you consider that Tori ruined Jade's exhibition by taking over the space it would have occupied (which Jade had booked first), blatantly refused to cancel it, and never once apologized for screwing up the show that Jade had presumably been putting together for several weeks. Sure, Jade might have crossed a line with her retaliation, but Tori wasn't exactly in the right either.
- Some see that as an over-riding Humiliation Conga for Jade, especially for her slap-on-the-wrist punishment for nearly killing Tori and Robbie in Tori Gets Stuck, but overall that episode had an awkward feel as there seemed to be an easy compromise to the scheduling conflict that was ignored simply for Rule of Funny.
- A smaller one but when Beck puts Jade in a time out for being mean to Tori (which she actually does).
Is this allowed?
open TimothyMap1
Timothy Map 1 is placing transphobic vandalism on Transgender.
Edit: They are also placing pro Nazi vandalism on other pages. Yeesh.
Edited by SatoshiBakuraopenNo Title Anime
WMG.One Piece Strawhat Crew is a formatting mess, has a botched custom title, and is miscapitalized.
openTropers/1234SynchroRainbow
Tropers/{{1234SynchroRainbow}} (edit history here) has weird edit history. Many of them are just add word DERP at the top of article, or a number 0 or 1 to the first word of page description.
As far as I noticed, they always remove them afterward. But sometime they did it repeatly and it clog up the history page.
Edited by KuruniopenOlder/Younger than they look misuse?
I was looking around Characters.The Loud House Loud Siblings and a few entries list certain Loud sisters as Younger Than They Look or Older Than They Look, for reasons that feel extremely flimsy. Normally it seems this trope is used for large discrepancies between physical age and chronological age, or at least if they appear to be in a whole other generation, but there are entries like this one under Luna:
- Older Than They Look: She can pass as being 12 or 13 even though she's 15. This is best emphasized by her lack of breasts and Youthful Freckles.
For context, this is Luna Loud. Personally, I think she looks like a teenager, and doesn't stand out compared to other teenagers in this art style. I don't think there's enough discrepancy between her physical age and her chronological age to justify this example.
Likewise, there's an entry about Futurama on OlderThanTheyLook.Western Animation stating "Cubert Farnsworth is 12 but looks and acts like he's around 9." which I'm also unsure about. (Here he is for context.◊) The other child characters in the show who are around his age don't really seem to be much older than him physically.
The thing with these entries is a) there usually isn't a case where the characters look distinctly younger than other characters their age, so it might just be a matter of Artistic Age, and b) due to the varying nature of puberty there are children who may appear older or younger than their peers, and it's difficult to apply this trope to preteens who look like teens or vice versa because of this.
I haven't done an in-depth wick check yet, but if this is widespread enough, I'm wondering if this should be split into cases where a character clearly appears to be younger/older in the narrative, versus when audiences think a character is older or younger than they really are.
openFavored Disambiguation method
I have noticed the sandbox in progress How to Create a Disambiguation Page, as it is trying to sort out the disambiguation methods. However, it makes no mention of the one method that, in my book, should got first consideration over the others:
- Adding a "1" to the first installment of a series, to disambiguate it from the later titles and from an eventual franchise page dedicated to the whole series.
I believe it is superior to disambiguation by years since it avoid moving two works, and the "1" is allowed to be removed by custom titling when displayed. It's also easier to remember.
I believe it would be good to insist more on this method, because pages that have been hastily disambiguated by year were moved afterward to title with a "1" (notably: WesternAnimation.My Little Pony Equestria Girls 1 and WesternAnimation.Toy Story 1).
And yes, by this logic I do believe Film.Deadpool 2016 should be moved to Film.Deadpool 1 since there is a Film.Deadpool 2. (I won't do it without a consensus, though, because it's a big wick migration.)
Incidentally, I do consider there is a "rule zero" of disambiguation methods which should even prevail on this one: check out if the title is correct in the first place. If it has a subtitle, or is missing a "The", it can be moved to the more appropriate title before envisaging any other method.
openCleanup threads
Should I make a cleanup thread for the “values” Tropes now that they are No Recent Examples, Please!?
openEdit war on NightmareFuel/MonsterHunter Videogame
On NightmareFuel.Monster Hunter, Malick 01 added an entry pertaining to a newly released boss, but it does not read like actual Nightmare Fuel and more like a tip to not get OHKO'ed by it.
I deleted it since, written as is, it does not meet the criteria for Nightmare Fuel. Moments later, Malick 01 re-added the entry, copy-pasted and all, and even sent me a rudeness notifier.
I can go to the Nightmare Fuel cleanup thread and they'll likely give me the same opinion against this entry.
open What's it called when characters mimic someone childishly?
What's the trope when a character mimics what someone says or does, especially childishly? Such as in this compilation: https://youtu.be/02bR0vY5OnI
Bonus maturity points if said character replaces words with "memememememe", like in this scene from Not For Broadcast (20:01 - 20:28): https://youtu.be/sWWqf60sMJM?t=1201
openHow to make new article?
How do I make a new article here? Do I have to do something specific with my account before I can make a new article? I've never been able to find the place to start a new article.
open Aerith -> Aeris edit Videogame
Helljmpr Rookie changed all spellings from "Aerith" to "Aeris" in Final Fantasy VII. "Aeris" was a mistranslation in the original English release, but all media since has referred to her as "Aerith". Permission to change back without instigating an Edit War?
openDethroning Moment Reviewers
I noticed that several examples of Dethroning Moments on Web Original reviewers that list whole reviews as examples. This seems to violate the "Moments only" rule.
Edited by costanton11openTroping children's shows Western Animation
Are tropes relating to sexual stuff (e.g. rape) allowed to be used on kid show pages even if the example is only implied? I'd lean towards "no", since the scene is obviously subtle. But what if it's confirmed by Word of God that the scene was intended as a sexual innuendo/Parental Bonus? Would a sex-related trope still be eligible?
I think the only exception to this rule would be adding a G-rated equivalent example if one exists (e.g. G-Rated Drug), although I have seen Black Comedy Rape on kid show pages as examples before, which was the main inspiration for me to ask this.
openComplainy Review
Anti Legacy 98 created a review for Legacy (Naruto), simply titled TRASH, and is contained in its entirety:
"Skip this garbage".
Should we give him a tap on the shoulder?
openLoud House
Looks like the crash wiped it, so here goes again.
I noticed a large amount of bad examples and writing on the pages for The Loud House. I originally focused on YMMV, but the issue seems to be prevalent everywhere. Specifically, we came to the conclusion that a lot of the examples are over-exaggerations, especially when it comes to claiming the show is "edgy" or "dark" or "scary" for being a slapstick cartoon, as people seem to find slapstick violence to be as bad as realistic child-abuse...
Basically, I'm now wondering if a cleanup is in order. I don't watch the show, so I'd need help.
openFoster’s home page is missing
I believe the page for Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends has disappeared, probably because of the crash. Is there some way to recover it, or do we have to start all over?
Edit: never mind, it seems to have come back. Ignore this
Second edit: it’s gone again! Sometimes when I go to look at the page, I see it like normal, and then sometimes it says that no such page exists. What is going on here?
Edited by Loopytires55opentlp draft rogue launched?
Unauthorized Mission was just launched and it doesn't seem like it should be? Since looking at the page on TLP it doesn't seem that anyone's contributed to this page for several months. There's also the fact that the first sentence in the trope "Pistols At Dawn wuz ere takin over ur druft" clearly shouldn't be in a finished product.
openCan you be Rescued from the Scrappy Heap if you were never the Scrappy? Anime
I was looking at the YMMV page for Fate/Grand Order Babylonia, and there's an entry referring to the existence of Caster Gilgamesh (who is a Reasonable Authority Figure as opposed to being a villain in most of the franchise's other works) as an instance of the character being Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. Thing is, while Gilgamesh is a Hate Sink in other works in the franchise (Unlimited Blade Works comes to mind) he's usually considered a Base-Breaking Character at worst. He's not listed in any of the franchise's works' pages as a Scrappy, if that makes a difference. I thought the example should be deleted, but as I understand it, Scrappy entries can get a bit contentious so I thought I'd run it by here after discussion only got one response.
Timothy Map 1 has made transphobic and anti-semitic edits.
[1], [2], [3], [4]
Edited by KToonz