NATTER ALERT!

That bulletpoint is best cut.

Bringing this up from Fake American. This is a mess and needs to be separated and sorted out.

• Hugh Laurie also wrote a novel called The Gun Seller, in which certain of the American characters speak in a distinctly 'American' way, essentially by cursing excessively. Others talk completely normally. It's all based on whether or not we're meant to like them. The book's very British main character spends a good chunk of the novel impersonating a hick Minnesota farm boy.
  • Eddie Izzard's American imitation also ends up like this. Americans apparently talk very loudly and swear every other word.
    • And are also Texan. ("Talk Bri'ish t' mah kidz!")
    • In the comic book Preacher, an Irish vampire on one occasion impersonates his Texan friend, le stories.
    • There are also a disproportionate number of indeterminate Southerners. Apparently a really broad Texa Georgiana accent is easier than New England or Midwestern speech.

Bringing this up from Market-Based Title. This really needs to be cut up into separate entries.

• Hellmann's mayonnaise. "Known as 'Best Foods Mayonnaise' west of the Rockies". ^note Best Foods, based in California, bought out Hellmann's, based in New York, in 1927, but since both brands had such huge sales shares in their particular regions, Best Foods elected to keep the separate brandings.
  • Similarly, Dreyer's Ice Cream became Edy's Ice Cream (named after a different company founder) when it started selling products east of the Rocky Mountains. In this case, it was to prevent confusion with already-established ice cream maker Breyers. On the other hand, people west of the Rockies can get both Dreyer's and Breyers and there doesn't seem to be any problem telling them apart.
  • Oddly enough, both Hellmann's and Best Foods Mayonnaise, as well as Dreyer's and Edy's Ice Cream, are both available together at some Grocery Outlet supermarkets in California.
  • Unilever, who owns Hellmann's/Best Foods and make various other products, is known for buying local brands in different countries and keeping their names, so the same company's "Heartbrand" ice creams are known by dozens of different names across dozens of countries. (Note that Unilever also controls a number of other non-Heartbrand ice creams, e.g. Breyer's and the premium brand Ben and Jerry's.)
  • Unilever uses a similar strategy for Axe deodorant (it's called Lynx in the UK, Australia, and China).
    • Similarly, what's Degree in the US is Rexona in South-East Asia. Right down to the logo and the slogan "It won't let you down".

Are the lone sub-bullets in these two pre-match intro examples on Funny.Mortal Kombat 1 able to be merged with the main bullets, or should they just be treated as standard natter and removed? Also, is it worth sending natter notifiers in both cases?

• Everyone's a critic.
  Ermac: The performer souls within us are unimpressed.
  Johnny Cage: Only I can get bad reviews from the dead.
  • Funnier when you picture Ermac going to the movies to watch a Johnny Cage film.

• Word of advice to creators. Don't begin advertising your project until you've got everything set in stone.
  Ermac: We will not appear in "Army of Souls".
  Johnny Cage: You can't say no! I've got posters already!
  • It's funnier when you take into context that Ermac has enough knowledge of what Johnny is even asking of him, meaning that up until this point, Ermac likely sat through an entire pitch for the film before declining.

Edited by Riolugirl on Apr 19th 2024 at 10:38:02 AM

I'm honestly having some trouble figuring out what each third-level bullet is supposed to be referring to. The Hugh Laurie example I believe should actually be under Fauxreigner, not Fake American, but the Eddie Izzard one needs to be on its own first-level bullet, and not in the Literature folder - but I don't know if it's referring to one of her TV/movie roles, or her stand-up comedy.

The first third-level bullet should probably be merged with the Eddie Izzard example, since that's what it seems to be about. I think the Preacher example should also be at Fauxreigner. No idea what the third-level bullet is supposed to be attached to - Eddie Izzard? I'd maybe just delete it outright because it's simply not clear.

Found this example in the wild in Pyrrhic Victory where the op is talking to the character in the second person sentence.

• The Irishman: You're a big bad, feared hitman, Frank Sheeran? You kept your mouth shut like a good mafioso and did your time in the slammer? Where's it gotten you? All your friends are dead, some at your own hand. Your family despises you and won't have anything to do with you. You're alone, forced to plan your own funeral because nobody else cares. The world's moved on and forgotten you, leaving you stuck in a nursing home to waste away slowly till death claims you. Was It Really Worth It?

Does it count as Natter? If yes, what to do with it?

Re-write it.

What should I rewrite it as?

From Clear My Name:

• A plot point in 24 has Jack Bauer on the run from the FBI, after a Starkwood assassin frames him for the murders of 2 government officials.
  • And further complicating matters? Jack ends up killing the assassin (in self-defense) before he can get himself cleared. With a bulldozer. And an armor-piercing screwdriver. And a 2 by 4.
    • And since that still wasn't enough Jack-Bauer-level-badassness, he takes the screwdriver from the body, inserts said screwdriver into a pickup truck's ignition, starts it up, and drives away. Damn, Jack.
    • The sad thing? The next episode after Jack is set up almost immediately drops this whole plot when the FBI discovers the Starkwood conspiracy and realizes that Jack is being framed, which makes you wonder, "why the hell did they even bother?"

Nuke all but the first part.

(Live-Action TV folder)

• Another documentary-to-series came about when the History Channel aired a documentary called Breaking Vegas, about the MIT blackjack team of the 1990's, the same people the book Bringing Down the House and the movie 21 are about. It was successful enough that it spun off into a short-lived but entertaining series about similar casino tricksters and cheats who tried to decode roulette wheels, rig slot machines, and so forth. This might actually have been a case of a Backdoor Pilot.
  • A more straight-up example is Life After People, originally an obvious one-shot documentary about what happens to the world after people are gone, cashing in on the popularity of then-Time Magazine's book of the year, A World Without Us and probably the last thing people would think of as potential series material. But after the ratings came in (it was literally the most watched program in History Channel's history), the execs just had to order it as a series.
  • It's also interesting to note that Swamp Loggers and Ice Road Truckers share the same subject material as two episodes of Modern Marvels (in Ice Road Truckers's case, the Modern Marvels episode is actually a reworking of a documentary originally shown on parent network A&E).

• RoboCop 1987 became a huge franchise. Aside from the two sequels and the remake, it spawned a 1994 television adaptation which marketed the show to a younger audience, retaining the "Media Break" segments, but toning down the violence (to such a degree that RoboCop/Murphy never killed a single person). There was a mini-series adaptation made in 2000 called (RoboCop: Prime Directives), which brought back the violence and satire of the Media Break commercials, but heaped on plenty of illogical plot twists (RoboCop hides out as a homeless man! An African-American police captain becomes the next-gen RoboCop! A neurological virus is contained in a teddy bear! RoboCop is now Alex Murphy again!) and silly acting.
  • They even made an Animated Adaptation (see below).

(Western Animation folder)

• The Men in Black II blatantly disregarded the events of Men in Black: The Series, which ended with the MIB organization exposed. The series blatantly disregarded the ending of the first Men in Black, which had Kay retire, before that.
  • This was actually Hand Waved in the series. Kay enlightened Jay that once in a while, a Hollywood writer inadvertently makes a movie about them, forcing them to neuralize the public, pulling the movie, and relocating. The series in fact, takes place after the movie itself was released.
  • "So that's why they keep making the same movies over and over again!"
  • Interestingly, they made light of the fact that neither Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones reprised their roles in the animated series by having Jay and Kay comment on the choice of actors for the Hollywood movie made within the series (with the characters onscreen in the movie trailer looking like dead ringers for the original movie actors).
  • Marvel Comics made a one-shot that explains why Kay is still an agent. They needed him in an unseen case.
• "Hey, someone forgot a cartoon based on an R-rated movie!" "I'll fix it!" Police Academy: The Series! HOORAY!!
  • "Hey, let's cut down production costs by taking out the funniest element of the movies, Michael Winslow's voice effects, and replace them with stock audio clips of the actual things he duplicates with his voice!"
  This entry is commented out by the way
• Starship Troopers spawned a CGI-series The Roughneck Chronicles. It was surprisingly well done, but massive ongoing behind-the-scenes production problems doomed it.
  • An interesting case, since while they lifted a few ideas and characters from the movie (Dizzy being female, etc.), the series was more a recycle of the book instead.
  • They took their sweet time dooming it though; it only got cancelled three episodes from the end. There was even a fan-run online fundraiser to get the series finished just because it was so damn close, but it sadly didn't get off the ground.
• Many Disney Animated Canon films were given their own TV shows in the 1990s and 2000s.
  • Lilo & Stitch: The Series followed up on the original film by introducing audiences to Jumba's other experiments (who were briefly alluded to in the first movie's prologue). In this show, Lilo and Stitch had to find his "cousins" around Kauai, reform them, name them, and find them a place where they could use their abilities for good. Like the Aladdin example above, this show was also bookended by a pilot movie (Stitch! The Movie) and a finale film (Leroy & Stitch). Unlike most of the other entries in this list however, this show managed to be referenced in a later DAC film^note Splodyhead/Experiment 619's cameo in Big Hero 6 and also introduced a Breakout Character who now gets a steady stream of merchandise released to this day.^note Stitch's love interest, Angel/Experiment 624
    • Lilo & Stitch also got two more TV series, but you'll have to go up to the "Anime and Manga" and "Eastern Animation" folders to read about those ones.
• Spider-Man: The New Animated Series takes place after the first live-action movie. It was canceled after one season.
  • Sadly considering how some fans considered to be pretty damn good (at least it dealt well with Peter's emotions, rather than the loads of drama pushed by the sequels).

Can I just nuke all of these useless and Fan Myopia-y bulletins? Nothing of value would be lost. The Lilo and Stitch entry could be merged to a separate Multi Media folder though.

(Sub-bullets, not bulletins)

Some of those sub-bullets have good information, and some of the main bullets are themselves quite bad. I'll give some of them a go at integrating properly.

I cut back on the worst offenders.

Would this edit to Reincarnated as a Non-Humanoid be considered natter? It turned this example:

• The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games generally start with the protagonist waking up and realising they are now a Pokémon in a world without humans, you don't see the world they come from but they had been human.

Into this:

• The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games generally start with the protagonist waking up and realising realizing they are now a Pokémon in a world without humans, you don't see the world they come from but they had been human.human. Although some of the possible Pokémon are humanoid and stay that way through their evolution lines (such as Riolu in Explorers), others are quadrupedal and stay that way (such as Chikorita), and even some of the bipeds can't really be considered humanoid (such as Squirtle).

It feels like a Justifying Edit being a bit over literal with the trope name and ignoring the fact that those Pokémon still don't look anything close to human.

It doesn't really look like a justifying edit to me, but it doesn't really add anything to the entry, so you could cut it if you'd like. The only species you can get in those games that's humanoid in any real sense is Machop, anyway.

Microsoft Office Assistant has this at the top:

• The (sort of ex-)Scrappy of Microsoft's business software history. A classic case of Unwanted Assistance.

As far as I'm aware, while the character of Clippy himself is more popular nowadays, the actual Office Assistant feature is still not looked back on fondly. I think it'd be best to just trim it down to saying it's The Scrappy, maybe with a note later in the article talking about later reactions to it.

I also rewrote the Police Academy and Toxic Crusaders entries. The first one explains why the series was created now, and I fleshed out the second one because it was just a link to YouTube.

Edited by lee4hmz on May 5th 2024 at 1:05:54 PM